Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

[kulaz3000]

This thread is exposing so many people and their mindset on people and life. Extremely disappointing.

Look at the world. Do you think the ability to not get along was just an outside the forum thing. Some people believe the right way to think is their way of thinking.

I am right is the worlds greatest diseased mind set. The inability to see other people points of view is the crippling mindset of our time.

There can really no peace without acceptance of other people. The shut up and play is just so Bobby Knighteous. People are allowed their differences in my opinion.

Says the person who wrote this....

There aren't 2 sides on this. The Bulls never did one thing to elicit the negativity launched against them. If anything, they totally honored him with a great offer. He had 2 legit options at that point.

- take the generous offer
- shop around for even more. Stay mute, and be respectful of the process and the Bulls.

Guy chose neither. He went after more (1.5). But also he went after the Bulls and played into a damaging pre-existing narrative against the franchise. Namely, that they are cheap and unappreciative of players. So tell me how the Bulls deserved that diss from Lavine?

The Bulls did and I am not about to argue with a person unable to see the truth. They did say at their press conference they were redesigning the offense. It was a shot. Get your had out of their butt.

Freaking hilarious. The self righteousness is unbearable around here these days.

Guys, I had to basically give myself a warning about this less than a day ago in this exact same thread no less, but let’s not get into personal attacks.

I think the bottom line is, especially with the remarks made by Zach is that there are some (like myself) who clearly aren’t phased by what was said, but then there are some who have been rubbed the wrong way about it, and that’s fine too. There is no right or wrong in how you respond to a situation, but there is a right way to respond to an opposing point of view, and that’s with respect for their opinions or not at all.

No more personally driven responses here on out.

[Stratmaster]

I did earn that right the minute I bought a ticket. They could have thrown me out if they wanted to, but I had every right to express my opinion. This was in the early 90's and believe it or not a lot of people there were in agreement with me. Nobody I talked to was very keen on the rants. Their music is so good that people put up with it but they don't have to like it.

Do you think you have the right to Heckle Comics too, because you paid for a ticket? There are all kinds of other people viewing the same show you are who probably didn't want to hear you screaming at him to shut up and play. They paid for tickets also.

As a musician, I've been trying to stay out of the whole U2 discussion because I have some pretty strong opinions. But if you think buying a ticket gives you the right to tell a performer to shut the **** up you're way off base.

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I would never heckle a comic.... as long as he/she was telling jokes. Even if they weren't funny. Now, if a comic decided to stop their routine and go off on a political rant about something... hell yes, I would probably say something. But, buy the ticket, take the ride. If you bought the ticket and the ride sucks, you should say so.

Keep in mind I'm talking about a show from over 25 years ago. Actually longer than that. It wasn't well known that this is what the band did. Like I said, most people agreed with me and even cheered when I said it. Even today a lot of people are put off by it and they know what they are in for. U2 put out a lot of amazing music (not really any in the last two decades), but they were good. Also, some of the best South Park episodes poke fun at Bono.

You have the right to leave. You have the right to ask for your money back. You have the right to write a poor review or post your opinion on social media or tell your friends not to go to their show or buy their music. That's the rights you have from buying a ticket. If "most of the people" agreed with you they were acting like asses just like you were.

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[Habs72]

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Compton Terrace. Tempe AZ. And I just realized it was over 30 years ago. 1985

So in a state where around 2/3 were republicans at the time and is one the states where death penalty is still relevant and being used highly vs others surrounding states. Also has strong views on same sex relationships, it kinda figures that people didnt like what they heard in the concert besides the songs dont you think?

I'm not a republican and I have no problem with same sex relationships... but I am all for the death penalty in certain cases.

And read my posts. I said I don't mind political songs or lyrics. It's all part of it. But that idiot was going off on rants that I don't even think he knew what the hell he wanted to say. You weren't there. You probably weren't even born, so save it for another self righteous kid. I understand the sanctity of the stage and have more respect for it than most of you realize. I worked for Jerry Garcia for a summer. I toured with the Dead. If that isn't political enough for you, what is? They never went off between songs about stuff that had nothing to do with anything. In fact, they never really said a word during a show. They let the music do the talking for them. It's one reason why they were the highest grossing touring band of all time.

I was actually listening them at the time, was on my teens. Just too bad they did a concert next time here in Finland in year 1997. Difference between Grateful Dead and U2 while both are/were political is that one of them is from US and one is from Ireland and if you knew how Ireland is then you would know why U2 is also raised and present themselves the way they do. Picture clearing any?

[kulaz3000]

This thread has veered in a direction which is clearly no longer basketball related to which I take partial responsibility for. That said, it’s veered off course long enough.

Let’s get back to the topic at hand, which is Zach Lavine, his contract, his place on the Bulls, his boy-band-like good looks, and his inability to get down lower in his defensive slides during workouts.

[Habs72]

This thread has veered in a direction which is clearly no longer basketball related to which I take partial responsibility for. That said, it’s veered off course long enough.

Let’s get back to the topic at hand, which is Zach Lavine, his contract, his place on the Bulls, his boy-band/like good looks, and his in ability to get down lower in his defensive slides during workouts

Yes siiir!

[BR0D1E86]

The whole team was and it literally fell apart when Zach got injured.

They won 9 of their next 16 games.

And conveniently you just left out that they lost 6 straight after that.

Yeah, they lost a lot of games because they were terrible. But a good stretch of games right after he got hurt hardly indicates going in the tank.

[panthermark]

This thread has veered in a direction which is clearly no longer basketball related to which I take partial responsibility for. That said, it’s veered off course long enough.

Let’s get back to the topic at hand, which is Zach Lavine, his contract, his place on the Bulls, his boy-band-like good looks, and his inability to get down lower in his defensive slides during workouts.

His defensive slide looks like me playing with my dog.....except I'm 43, out of shape, and at least 25 pounds over weight.

[Habs72]

They won 9 of their next 16 games.

And conveniently you just left out that they lost 6 straight after that.

Yeah, they lost a lot of games because they were terrible. But a good stretch of games right after he got hurt hardly indicates going in the tank.

Ofc they werent trying to tank at the time. They were trying to fight that last playoff spot and got an obvious boost playing FOR Zach and trying to claw the 8th seed. It lasted admirably long til they run out of gas as they had to fill in 37mins of Zach´s playtime which was impossible at the time. I was following the team that season as well.

[BigJimFinn]

This thread has veered in a direction which is clearly no longer basketball related to which I take partial responsibility for. That said, it’s veered off course long enough.

Let’s get back to the topic at hand, which is Zach Lavine, his contract, his place on the Bulls, his boy-band-like good looks, and his inability to get down lower in his defensive slides during workouts.

Just as I had prepared my analysis of Bono as starting SF option for the Bulls...

Now that he is signed, LaVine should be given full responsibility of being a core starter and doing the job at both ends, for the full season if needed since there should be no playoff expectations. After that all the excuses are gone and he can be judged on merits and impact on the team. I never expected the Bulls to do what I preferred, so I am not really disappointed.

[BR0D1E86]

And conveniently you just left out that they lost 6 straight after that.

Yeah, they lost a lot of games because they were terrible. But a good stretch of games right after he got hurt hardly indicates going in the tank.

Ofc they werent trying to tank at the time. They were trying to fight that last playoff spot and got an obvious boost playing FOR Zach and trying to claw the 8th seed. It lasted admirably long til they run out of gas as they had to fill in 37mins of Zach´s playtime which was impossible at the time. I was following the team that season as well.

They were way, way under .500 when he got hurt. No one realistically thought they were making the playoffs at any point past early November.

[HomoSapien]

LaVine's volume scoring was discussed earlier in this thread, particularly his numbers as they translate Per 36. I had said something along the lines of 'if he can essentially produce his basic per 36 numbers with no minutes restriction he'll always be a tradeable player.' Someone had said that there's tons of players who could produce his scoring output per 36, so I decided to take a look. Here's the complete list of players that score more points per 36 than LaVine (I've removed players who played in too few games/minutes)

1. James Harden 30.9
2. Step Curry 29.7
3. Anthony Davis 27.9
4. Kevin Durrant 27.7
5. Kyrie Irving 27.3
6. Joel Embiid 27.2
7. LeBron James 26.8
8. Damian Lillard 26.5
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo 26.3
10. Devin Booker 26.0
11. Kristaps Porzingis 25.2
12. DeMarcus Cousins 25.1
13. Russell Westbrook 25.1
14. LaMarcus Aldridge 24.9
15. Lou Williams 24.8
16. Demar Derozan 24.4
17. Montrezl Harrell 23.3
18. Kemba Walker 23.3.
19. Blake Griffin 22.7
20. Kevin Love 22.7
21. Tyreke Evans 22.6
22. Bradley Beal 22.5
23. Dennis Schoreder 22.5
24. Donnovan Mitchell 22.1
25. Zach LaVine 22.0
26. Jimmy Butler 21.7
27. Julius Randle 21.7

LaVine is by no means elite and obviously his offensive game has a lot of negatives to it, but he is a top 25 guy when it comes to points per 36. I believe that during the duration of this contract, he'll always be tradeable to team looking for a second or third option. Also the only guys his age or younger on this list are Mitchell, Booker, or Porzingis.

[Habs72]

Yeah, they lost a lot of games because they were terrible. But a good stretch of games right after he got hurt hardly indicates going in the tank.

Ofc they werent trying to tank at the time. They were trying to fight that last playoff spot and got an obvious boost playing FOR Zach and trying to claw the 8th seed. It lasted admirably long til they run out of gas as they had to fill in 37mins of Zach´s playtime which was impossible at the time. I was following the team that season as well.

They were way, way under .500 when he got hurt. No one realistically thought they were making the playoffs at any point past early November.

Guess you werent one that followed Timberwolves when sayin that ?
Portland was the last one that got into playoffs with a 41-41 and they were 22-28 and Timberwolves were 19-30 before the date Zach got injured. So much for being realistic?
Difference was that Portland went for a 13-3 rant on March while Timberwolves parts started to fall off being porous in away games loosing seven outta nine.
Fighting was fierce among several teams for the last spot at the time.

[Habs72]

LaVine's volume scoring was discussed earlier in this thread, particularly his numbers as they translate Per 36. I had said something along the lines of 'if he can essentially produce his basic per 36 numbers with no minutes restriction he'll always be a tradeable player.' Someone had said that there's tons of players who could produce his scoring output per 36, so I decided to take a look. Here's the complete list of players that score more points per 36 than LaVine (I've removed players who played in too few games/minutes)

1. James Harden 30.9
2. Step Curry 29.7
3. Anthony Davis 27.9
4. Kevin Durrant 27.7
5. Kyrie Irving 27.3
6. Joel Embiid 27.2
7. LeBron James 26.8
8. Damian Lillard 26.5
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo 26.3
10. Devin Booker 26.0
11. Kristaps Porzingis 25.2
12. DeMarcus Cousins 25.1
13. Russell Westbrook 25.1
14. LaMarcus Aldridge 24.9
15. Lou Williams 24.8
16. Demar Derozan 24.4
17. Montrezl Harrell 23.3
18. Kemba Walker 23.3.
19. Blake Griffin 22.7
20. Kevin Love 22.7
21. Tyreke Evans 22.6
22. Bradley Beal 22.5
23. Dennis Schoreder 22.5
24. Donnovan Mitchell 22.1
25. Zach LaVine 22.0
26. Jimmy Butler 21.7
27. Julius Randle 21.7

LaVine is by no means elite and obviously his offensive game has a lot of negatives to it, but he is a top 25 guy when it comes to points per 36. I believe that during the duration of this contract, he'll always be tradeable to team looking for a second or third option. Also the only guys his age or younger on this list are Mitchell, Booker, or Porzingis.

While youre in it, could you also put out number of shots/36 and a FG% of those players mentioned as it shows a bit who is effective in scoring/chucking and who is not ?

[HomoSapien]

LaVine's volume scoring was discussed earlier in this thread, particularly his numbers as they translate Per 36. I had said something along the lines of 'if he can essentially produce his basic per 36 numbers with no minutes restriction he'll always be a tradeable player.' Someone had said that there's tons of players who could produce his scoring output per 36, so I decided to take a look. Here's the complete list of players that score more points per 36 than LaVine (I've removed players who played in too few games/minutes)

1. James Harden 30.9
2. Step Curry 29.7
3. Anthony Davis 27.9
4. Kevin Durrant 27.7
5. Kyrie Irving 27.3
6. Joel Embiid 27.2
7. LeBron James 26.8
8. Damian Lillard 26.5
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo 26.3
10. Devin Booker 26.0
11. Kristaps Porzingis 25.2
12. DeMarcus Cousins 25.1
13. Russell Westbrook 25.1
14. LaMarcus Aldridge 24.9
15. Lou Williams 24.8
16. Demar Derozan 24.4
17. Montrezl Harrell 23.3
18. Kemba Walker 23.3.
19. Blake Griffin 22.7
20. Kevin Love 22.7
21. Tyreke Evans 22.6
22. Bradley Beal 22.5
23. Dennis Schoreder 22.5
24. Donnovan Mitchell 22.1
25. Zach LaVine 22.0
26. Jimmy Butler 21.7
27. Julius Randle 21.7

LaVine is by no means elite and obviously his offensive game has a lot of negatives to it, but he is a top 25 guy when it comes to points per 36. I believe that during the duration of this contract, he'll always be tradeable to team looking for a second or third option. Also the only guys his age or younger on this list are Mitchell, Booker, or Porzingis.

While youre in it, could you also put out number of shots/36 and a FG% of those players mentioned as it shows a bit who is effective in scoring/chucking and who is not ?

Certainly. I left that out in this post because I was paraphrasing, but I had said earlier when I made that statement that if he can raise his shooting percentages and put up those numbers he'll be tradeable. I should have said the whole thing.

[Habs72]

LaVine's volume scoring was discussed earlier in this thread, particularly his numbers as they translate Per 36. I had said something along the lines of 'if he can essentially produce his basic per 36 numbers with no minutes restriction he'll always be a tradeable player.' Someone had said that there's tons of players who could produce his scoring output per 36, so I decided to take a look. Here's the complete list of players that score more points per 36 than LaVine (I've removed players who played in too few games/minutes)

1. James Harden 30.9
2. Step Curry 29.7
3. Anthony Davis 27.9
4. Kevin Durrant 27.7
5. Kyrie Irving 27.3
6. Joel Embiid 27.2
7. LeBron James 26.8
8. Damian Lillard 26.5
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo 26.3
10. Devin Booker 26.0
11. Kristaps Porzingis 25.2
12. DeMarcus Cousins 25.1
13. Russell Westbrook 25.1
14. LaMarcus Aldridge 24.9
15. Lou Williams 24.8
16. Demar Derozan 24.4
17. Montrezl Harrell 23.3
18. Kemba Walker 23.3.
19. Blake Griffin 22.7
20. Kevin Love 22.7
21. Tyreke Evans 22.6
22. Bradley Beal 22.5
23. Dennis Schoreder 22.5
24. Donnovan Mitchell 22.1
25. Zach LaVine 22.0
26. Jimmy Butler 21.7
27. Julius Randle 21.7

LaVine is by no means elite and obviously his offensive game has a lot of negatives to it, but he is a top 25 guy when it comes to points per 36. I believe that during the duration of this contract, he'll always be tradeable to team looking for a second or third option. Also the only guys his age or younger on this list are Mitchell, Booker, or Porzingis.

While youre in it, could you also put out number of shots/36 and a FG% of those players mentioned as it shows a bit who is effective in scoring/chucking and who is not ?

Certainly. I left that out in this post because I was paraphrasing, but I had said earlier when I made that statement that if he can raise his shooting percentages and put up those numbers he'll be tradeable. I should have said the whole thing.

Oh and add Free throws made/tries too to see how much it correlates on points made .

[Truebiscuit]

I remember when people were flipping out at the contract Oladio signed before he was traded to the Pacers...

[cool007]

I really don't understand why people are basing his game (not everyone but a lot of posters) from last year.

Last year, he came back to finish his rehab basically - something that we wanted D-Rose to do it at the end of the season 2012/13. We even said, we will not care about your stats but just want you to finish your rehab by playing. Now Lavine did that and people are not taking his stats from half of the last year that he played with a grain of salt.

I totally don't get it. IMO, this is the year we will see who he will be. He (hoping) should have all of offseason to work on his game and he will have a full training camp where he will not only learn the sets but also get to see other players games and where they like to be etc. That will only help.

I wouldn't even be surprised if he makes the all-star team in the East next year. He has all the tools and IMO, this is a perfect team for him to go off.

I am very optimistic.

[Red Larrivee]

I remember when people were flipping out at the contract Oladio signed before he was traded to the Pacers...

Oladipo still ranked favorably in RPM in Orlando and OKC before breaking out. Plus, his defense is very good. His offense merely took a jump from ok to really good. Hopefully LaVine makes the same jump, but he doesn't have as much to fall back on if he doesn't.

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[Axolotl]

LaVine will be better than he was with his limited number of games on more or less limited minutes. He will pick up from where he was before he tore his acl.

I'll be dissappointed if we see the same inefficient chucker pouding the ball to the floor. Should thar happen, I'll seriously question Fred Hoiberg's ability to coach hoiball.

I believe Kris Dunn to be able to run a flowing offence, he did show that before his unfortunate landing on his teeth.

Markkanen is a flow of the offence player, same as Carter looks to be.

We can't have a ball stopper at 2, and it's Fred's job to make sure we don't. LaVine should pass, shoot or drive, not dribble like some hobo-Harden.

LaVine can do that. At least much better than he did last season.

He got paid, and that is a fact. It may also be a blessing, if he takes it the right way: he doesn't need to prove anything anymore, now he could concentrate on how to contribute to winning basketball.

[Habs72]

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