2018 Summer League General Discussion

[pinoynurse]

So I was listening to Philip Rossman-Reichs podcast today and he suggested that it's more likely than not that Bamba and Isaac won't play again. I really hope that's not the case. Clifford said that they would play as much as they could, so hopefully, that means past the preliminary games as well.

just curious how do you feel about his podcast. I think hes a great media person and all, writes great pieces, very intelligent and articulate. But his podcasts, I find him repeating the same thing over and over again so much. Again he does do great work tho and i do enjoy his podcasts (sometimes)

[PrimeThyme]

So I was listening to Philip Rossman-Reichs podcast today and he suggested that it's more likely than not that Bamba and Isaac won't play again. I really hope that's not the case. Clifford said that they would play as much as they could, so hopefully, that means past the preliminary games as well.

just curious how do you feel about his podcast. I think hes a great media person and all, writes great pieces, very intelligent and articulate. But his podcasts, I find him repeating the same thing over and over again so much. Again he does do great work tho and i do enjoy his podcasts (sometimes)

This is actually the first time in probably 7-8 months that I have listened to one of his podcasts. They really don't do much for me either. Like you said, he tends to repeat himself quite a lot. Most of his stuff is mostly just filler (reading box scores, detailing how a game went, Etc) for me as well. I generally like my basketball podcasts and podcasts in general to be more opinionated and Phillip tends to just take the middle ground on most topics. That's just me though.

Like you said, he really is one of the better media guys that covers the Magic. I want to say that the quality of the podcast has improved a bit since he first started, but hopefully, it continues to improve as time goes on. I'm rooting for him.

[Audi]

So I was listening to Philip Rossman-Reichs podcast today and he suggested that it's more likely than not that Bamba and Isaac won't play again. I really hope that's not the case. Clifford said that they would play as much as they could, so hopefully, that means past the preliminary games as well.

just curious how do you feel about his podcast. I think hes a great media person and all, writes great pieces, very intelligent and articulate. But his podcasts, I find him repeating the same thing over and over again so much. Again he does do great work tho and i do enjoy his podcasts (sometimes)

This is actually the first time in probably 7-8 months that I have listened to one of his podcasts. They really don't do much for me either. Like you said, he tends to repeat himself quite a lot. Most of his stuff is mostly just filler (reading box scores, detailing how a game went, Etc) for me as well. I generally like my basketball podcasts and podcasts in general to be more opinionated and Phillip tends to just take the middle ground on most topics. That's just me though.

Like you said, he really is one of the better media guys that covers the Magic. I want to say that the quality of the podcast has improved a bit since he first started, but hopefully, it continues to improve as time goes on. I'm rooting for him.

Took a while, but he grew on me. He’s a bit more cerebral and straight-to-the-point about things and I think not having a co-host forces him to have to stretch content a bit to make listening more worthwhile (otherwise it’d be like, 5 minute updates). Maybe I am missing some - but the other two magic podcasts I listen to rarely come out with new content. His at least comes out with much more frequency. What other podcasts do you guys listen to (magic related)?

[Knightro]

Next Summer League game is Magic v. Jazz on Thursday at 10pm ET.

[fendilim]

So I was listening to Philip Rossman-Reichs podcast today and he suggested that it's more likely than not that Bamba and Isaac won't play again. I really hope that's not the case. Clifford said that they would play as much as they could, so hopefully, that means past the preliminary games as well.

just curious how do you feel about his podcast. I think hes a great media person and all, writes great pieces, very intelligent and articulate. But his podcasts, I find him repeating the same thing over and over again so much. Again he does do great work tho and i do enjoy his podcasts (sometimes)

hes meh. no real insights or stories.

[PennytoShaq]

Trae Young with 6 threes in 21 minutes.

It's almost like tiny summer league sample sizes shouldn't be taken too seriously, in a positive or negative way.

I like how people are so quick to knock him when he has bad games but literally nobody is talking about his 7 three pointers


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People can’t run victory laps about their draft predictions when these things happen.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Any word on Briscoe and if he will be back tomorrow night?

[Tarheel]

Talking of podcasts, Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Connor did a good segment about how impressed they were with JI at summer league.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/7/10/17556594/jonathan-isaac-is-a-star-trae-youngs-bust-potential-and-other-summer-league-takeaways

[rcklsscognition]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

[PrimeThyme]

just curious how do you feel about his podcast. I think hes a great media person and all, writes great pieces, very intelligent and articulate. But his podcasts, I find him repeating the same thing over and over again so much. Again he does do great work tho and i do enjoy his podcasts (sometimes)

This is actually the first time in probably 7-8 months that I have listened to one of his podcasts. They really don't do much for me either. Like you said, he tends to repeat himself quite a lot. Most of his stuff is mostly just filler (reading box scores, detailing how a game went, Etc) for me as well. I generally like my basketball podcasts and podcasts in general to be more opinionated and Phillip tends to just take the middle ground on most topics. That's just me though.

Like you said, he really is one of the better media guys that covers the Magic. I want to say that the quality of the podcast has improved a bit since he first started, but hopefully, it continues to improve as time goes on. I'm rooting for him.

Took a while, but he grew on me. He’s a bit more cerebral and straight-to-the-point about things and I think not having a co-host forces him to have to stretch content a bit to make listening more worthwhile (otherwise it’d be like, 5 minute updates). Maybe I am missing some - but the other two magic podcasts I listen to rarely come out with new content. His at least comes out with much more frequency. What other podcasts do you guys listen to (magic related)?

That's a fair point actually. I think a co-host could help that podcast out quite a lot. His podcast is the only Magic podcast that I watch from time to time, I wasn't aware that there were any others.

[pinoynurse]

This is actually the first time in probably 7-8 months that I have listened to one of his podcasts. They really don't do much for me either. Like you said, he tends to repeat himself quite a lot. Most of his stuff is mostly just filler (reading box scores, detailing how a game went, Etc) for me as well. I generally like my basketball podcasts and podcasts in general to be more opinionated and Phillip tends to just take the middle ground on most topics. That's just me though.

Like you said, he really is one of the better media guys that covers the Magic. I want to say that the quality of the podcast has improved a bit since he first started, but hopefully, it continues to improve as time goes on. I'm rooting for him.

Took a while, but he grew on me. He’s a bit more cerebral and straight-to-the-point about things and I think not having a co-host forces him to have to stretch content a bit to make listening more worthwhile (otherwise it’d be like, 5 minute updates). Maybe I am missing some - but the other two magic podcasts I listen to rarely come out with new content. His at least comes out with much more frequency. What other podcasts do you guys listen to (magic related)?

That's a fair point actually. I think a co-host could help that podcast out quite a lot. His podcast is the only Magic podcast that I watch from time to time, I wasn't aware that there were any others.

what other podcasts do you guys listen too? The main thing with Phillips pod is he releases it with more frequency, so especially during the offseason with so little magic news, i end up listening to it

[PennytoShaq]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

If shooting was that important, Lebron would not have just demanded to be surrounded by guys that can switch on defense. They came out and said that Kyle Korver was killing Lebron because he was so useless on defense.

So while the Magic need shooting for sure, just drafting a guy who shoots 3s well in the second round is pretty much a fast track to a one dimensional player who helps you 35% of the time and kills you the rest. This is why the Magic continue to take shots on guys who can switch on defense. Also, they did draft a shooter in Jackson, but it should be noted that Jackson can not only shoot the ball, but is lauded for his 7’3 wingspan and the ability to defend multiple positions.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

It's extremely frustrating.. Frazier is such a head scratching pick still and will continue to be.

[fendilim]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

If shooting was that important, Lebron would not have just demanded to be surrounded by guys that can switch on defense. They came out and said that Kyle Korver was killing Lebron because he was so useless on defense.

So while the Magic need shooting for sure, just drafting a guy who shoots 3s well in the second round is pretty much a fast track to a one dimensional player who helps you 35% of the time and kills you the rest. This is why the Magic continue to take shots on guys who can switch on defense. Also, they did draft a shooter in Jackson, but it should be noted that Jackson can not only shoot the ball, but is lauded for his 7’3 wingspan and the ability to defend multiple positions.

whats the status of jackson anyway? Wasnt he like a good shooter than suffered a shoulder injury, now he lost his great shooting and is nowhere to be found? Thinking about it, kinda Sounds like fultz. Lol

[Instincts]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

It's extremely frustrating.. Frazier is such a head scratching pick still and will continue to be.

You cant make everybody happy all of the time.

I like Frazier. I liked Frazier and Melton. We picked one of the two, so well done.

If it is not clear yet, we are repairing the mistakes of the last few years and are not in roster construction mode. We selected a center when we have several other centers on the roster, BPA, we selected Frazier when we have several SG/SF on the roster, BPA. Obviously shooting was just a talking point and did not trump BPA.

[Audi]

Took a while, but he grew on me. He’s a bit more cerebral and straight-to-the-point about things and I think not having a co-host forces him to have to stretch content a bit to make listening more worthwhile (otherwise it’d be like, 5 minute updates). Maybe I am missing some - but the other two magic podcasts I listen to rarely come out with new content. His at least comes out with much more frequency. What other podcasts do you guys listen to (magic related)?

That's a fair point actually. I think a co-host could help that podcast out quite a lot. His podcast is the only Magic podcast that I watch from time to time, I wasn't aware that there were any others.

what other podcasts do you guys listen too? The main thing with Phillips pod is he releases it with more frequency, so especially during the offseason with so little magic news, i end up listening to it

Orlando Magic Podcast on the Almighty Baller Network
https://www.almightyballer.com/the-orlando-magic-podcast

And

Do You Believe In Magic? Podcast
https://player.fm/series/do-you-believe-in-magic

You can DL both on the itunes podcast app thing when you’ve got WiFI, then you won’t have to stream and use up data (learned the hard way haha)

[Skin]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

Frazier and Iwundu are not the same. Frazier is way better at defense. He's more explosive too.

The thing about WeHam's strategy is that folks will not like their players out of the gates. They will be disheartened if they get their hopes up early. It took a while for Giannis to develop. They like guys like Khris Middleton. Look at his college stats... it looks similar to Frazier.

Middleton - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/khris-middleton-1.html
Frazier - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/khris-middleton-1.html

Being a good defender has a lot to do with God given talents (Size/Athleticism). Countless hours in the gym can only do so much in regards to those traits. Kyle Korver will never be a good defender. But countless hours in the gym can improve your shooting. WeHam has targeted players with God given defensive talent, but have also shown capabilities that they could become good shooters. I think that's a very fair approach for 2nd round talents.

It's hard having a good defender that can't or doesn't want to shoot (Andre Roberson)... but even if that's their limit... a guy like Roberson is still valuable to have. It's good to have good shooters too, but if they don't have a defensive base, then you are asking for real trouble down the line. Especially because shooting can go hot or cold even for the best of them. Defense is much more reliable. Looking at an Excel spreadsheet and drafting based on 3PM is how the Kings ended up drafting Nik Stauskas.

WeHam has targeted not just defensive players, but those that have shown some fairly competent level that they could eventually become a shooter. Frazier improved dramatically last season. Jackson showed the skill early on. Both have the base of being good defenders. You gotta appreciate that and just give them time. They are 2nd rounders for a reason.

[PennytoShaq]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

If shooting was that important, Lebron would not have just demanded to be surrounded by guys that can switch on defense. They came out and said that Kyle Korver was killing Lebron because he was so useless on defense.

So while the Magic need shooting for sure, just drafting a guy who shoots 3s well in the second round is pretty much a fast track to a one dimensional player who helps you 35% of the time and kills you the rest. This is why the Magic continue to take shots on guys who can switch on defense. Also, they did draft a shooter in Jackson, but it should be noted that Jackson can not only shoot the ball, but is lauded for his 7’3 wingspan and the ability to defend multiple positions.

whats the status of jackson anyway? Wasnt he like a good shooter than suffered a shoulder injury, now he lost his great shooting and is nowhere to be found? Thinking about it, kinda Sounds like fultz. Lol

Not really like Fultz since there is zero evidence that he has lost his shooting. I believe he was at summer league and stated that he was close to 100% recovery.

[PennytoShaq]

I'm almost over it, but watching Svi on the Lakers, picked 47th, is hard. Guy has a Klay Thompson stroke and elite shooting numbers on high volume in college. I said before the draft, 2nd round we need to hit the excel spreadsheet up, sort by 3PM and draft anyone at the top of the list. For a GM to come out and say that shooting is such a commodity, hard to find, and have them pass on blatently in your face good shooters, is disheartening. It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock with them and offense.

It's easy to talk smack now, but of course, it'll have to be seen 2 seasons from now where any of these guys are. Most will be overseas or in the Gleague.

It's extremely frustrating.. Frazier is such a head scratching pick still and will continue to be.

No he is not. The Magic needed a SF/PF who can defend on the perimeter and has length. Nothing about him is head scratching at all.

The only question will be if he can become an NBA player or not. And we can ask that about every 2nd round pick in this draft.

[Skin]

If shooting was that important, Lebron would not have just demanded to be surrounded by guys that can switch on defense. They came out and said that Kyle Korver was killing Lebron because he was so useless on defense.

So while the Magic need shooting for sure, just drafting a guy who shoots 3s well in the second round is pretty much a fast track to a one dimensional player who helps you 35% of the time and kills you the rest. This is why the Magic continue to take shots on guys who can switch on defense. Also, they did draft a shooter in Jackson, but it should be noted that Jackson can not only shoot the ball, but is lauded for his 7’3 wingspan and the ability to defend multiple positions.

whats the status of jackson anyway? Wasnt he like a good shooter than suffered a shoulder injury, now he lost his great shooting and is nowhere to be found? Thinking about it, kinda Sounds like fultz. Lol

Not really like Fultz since there is zero evidence that he has lost his shooting. I believe he was at summer league and stated that he was close to 100% recovery.

Fultz is going to bounce back in a big way. Philly is not even trading him for Kawhi.