2018 Super-Early Hindsight Pick #11
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Still think that when you're drafting in this range (and especially when you have no near future expectations of reaching significant postseason success), you take the best ceiling guy. Moreover, that should be the case when you're unlikely to attract blue chip talent in free agency and have to rely on the draft.
My opinion is that Michael Porter was the pick that had to be made. And that applies to a couple of teams. Until his body proves to be totally broken that is what I would have liked Charlotte to take.
Easy for me to say that when I don't know any of the insight. Mark Bartelstein is one of the big names among agents and if even he couldn't convince some of the GMs, something might be there... But, who knows. Denver might have lucked their way into a guy that might actually make that core a conference finalist some day. Until now I looked at them as a nice, 50-win story that has too many limitations.
My opinion is that Michael Porter was the pick that had to be made. And that applies to a couple of teams. Until his body proves to be totally broken that is what I would have liked Charlotte to take.
Easy for me to say that when I don't know any of the insight. Mark Bartelstein is one of the big names among agents and if even he couldn't convince some of the GMs, something might be there... But, who knows. Denver might have lucked their way into a guy that might actually make that core a conference finalist some day. Until now I looked at them as a nice, 50-win story that has too many limitations.

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SWedd523 wrote:I was pretty clear about wanting SGA.
I still feel that way, mancrush on DG notwithstanding
Same, he seemed to fit Charlotte perfectly as well.

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I had SGA and Miles ranked about equally and wanted SGA for fit reasons more than anything, while Miles interested me due to his potential versatility on offense and the fact that he might grow into a two way guy who could make his own shots. I'm pretty happy with Graham + Miles, but I do worry that SGA will really be great. It's really too early to tell.
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Haven't watched any games but I'm sticking with Porter. That is the only guy on there with superstar potential.
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Was an SGA guy from the get-go, but wanted Porter when he fell. Was lukewarm on Miles. So, Porter/SGA.
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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I had SGA and Miles ranked about equally and wanted SGA for fit reasons more than anything, while Miles interested me due to his potential versatility on offense and the fact that he might grow into a two way guy who could make his own shots. I'm pretty happy with Graham + Miles, but I do worry that SGA will really be great. It's really too early to tell.
This is me too and I've mentioned it before, but it doesn't make you feel good when you pick a player Jerry West wanted and then trade him away. I like Miles a lot, but the positives to SGA are that he's tall and long for his position, where as Miles is the opposite. I also loved the craftiness of SGA in how he gets the shots he wants. It's translating in summer league so far too. It reminds me a bit of how Paul Pierce just found ways to get the shots he wanted despite being on the slower, less athletic side.
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I didn't want Porter. I legit don't understand the hype around him. I watched a few highlight videos of when he was in high school and still didn't get it.
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I wanted Porter because talent. I always want talent over need personally, you can always adjust your roster through trades and FA if you have talent.
That being said, I think that Miles is more talented than SGA, so I'm fine with how it played out.
I would also caution anyone about basing any opinion on how a player will be in the league based on summer league. Josh Selby and Nolan Smith were like all-timers in summer league.
That being said, I think that Miles is more talented than SGA, so I'm fine with how it played out.
I would also caution anyone about basing any opinion on how a player will be in the league based on summer league. Josh Selby and Nolan Smith were like all-timers in summer league.
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yosemiteben wrote:I didn't want Porter. I legit don't understand the hype around him. I watched a few highlight videos of when he was in high school and still didn't get it.
Yeah, I don't see it either. It's not like he had exciting tape like Kobe, Lebron, Wiggens etc...where you can see the raw athleticism, talent or skill. Lots of players are highly touted high school stars, hit college, and fall in the draft once you see them playing legit competition. Shabazz anyone? I feel like Porter is still riding that wave of hype due to no exposure to his game. It's the great "unknown", the untapped "ceiling", that's yet to be exposed for all to see.
That alone makes me weary of him when there's tape on a lot of other decent prospects, even more so when the guy has already had a herniated disk and possibly still lingering issues.
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SGA. Younger, more upside due to his size, and could potentially allow monk to defend PGs instead of SGs. He is having a better summer league despite Miles being considered a more of polished prospect. I'm expect his 3 will be serviceable by the time he is Devonte Grahams age (23), 1 year younger than MKG.
FWIW, Tyus Jones won a summer league MVP, so I don't think anyone should get too high on prospects based on summer league. (MKG's Summer league debut was 18 pts, 1-1 from 3, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, and 4 steals)
FWIW, Tyus Jones won a summer league MVP, so I don't think anyone should get too high on prospects based on summer league. (MKG's Summer league debut was 18 pts, 1-1 from 3, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, and 4 steals)
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yosemiteben wrote:I didn't want Porter. I legit don't understand the hype around him. I watched a few highlight videos of when he was in high school and still didn't get it.
I agree but I still would’ve took Porter over Miles.
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I honestly don't know where I would have picked Porter. After everyone he actually got picked after except Jerome Robinson because I don't know who that is. I probably would have picked Zhaire Smith and Lonnie Walker over Porter. Would've been tempted by Huerter and Okogie too.
For the record, I know practically nothing about these guys, but I think they're all supposed to be high upside / potential guys and I'd rather roll the dice on them than Porter.
For the record, I know practically nothing about these guys, but I think they're all supposed to be high upside / potential guys and I'd rather roll the dice on them than Porter.
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Lwcasu wrote:We made the right pick
We sure did. Unfortunately, we traded him away. SGA could bust for all we know, but we definitely played it safe and did not go for a star when we had the chance.
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SGA is pounding the ball and already has high usage. He's dominating every possession for the Clips SL team. I can already see where he is the Clips starting PG and averaging 30 min a game and 12-15 shots a game and people on here bitching because he is averaging 17/5 and we "took the wrong player" when Miles is averaging 12-15 min a game
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The "star rate" on late lottery wings is much higher than that of point guards. Taking one at 12 is almost always the right move, especially when it's a prospect like Miles who's been a top 10 prospect for two years. Aside from Porter, this was as "swing for the fences" as it gets; and Miles doesn't have nearly the downside.
I don't think any opinions are gonna change after glorified G-League play, but I think he's been fine regardless.
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catch20two wrote:SGA all day and it’ll haunt us when SGA is contending for the all-star team in 3 years while we’ll be declining to exercise Miles’ option.
Its way too early to write Miles off and I think its unlikely he busts that hard, but i also see the possibility that we may have had a future all-star who fits our team perfectly in our grasp and then traded him for a mediocre role player and two 2nds.
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The SL overreaction is real.
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Braggins wrote:catch20two wrote:SGA all day and it’ll haunt us when SGA is contending for the all-star team in 3 years while we’ll be declining to exercise Miles’ option.
Its way too early to write Miles off and I think its unlikely he busts that hard, but i also see the possibility that we may have had a future all-star who fits our team perfectly in our grasp and then traded him for a mediocre role player and two 2nds.
It is too early but I strongly believe that Miles will not be anything near a star player. I’d be highly surprised if he has at least the same success as Jeff Green in the NBA which wouldn’t be too shabby. I’m just sticking to my opinion. For the sake of the team I hope I’m wrong.
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Liver_Pooty wrote:The SL overreaction is real.
I don't feel strongly either way, but what little I've seen of him has me a bit concerned. The main thing I worry about is that he is supposed to be an athletic upside guy, but his functional athleticism has seemed pretty underwhelming to me in SL so far. He might just need to figure how to utilize it better and I'm sure he'll look way better once he starts hitting 3s consistently.