Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[mj234eva]

It's summer league...that thing Tony Snell dominated when he entered the league.

Tony was good in his 2nd year in the summer league. That was Doug McDermott who had a good summer league after being drafted.

[Bluewaterheaven]

Carter seems to have been an excellent pick. I like his attitude and game. I have a good feeling that he might be my favourite soon.

I am not sure how old the quotes are but, I am not really convinced it's good form to quote other users from long past and rub their opinions in their faces. Especially draft nights are quite emotional.

You mean quotes from right after the draft... A month ago?

[Bluewaterheaven]

All they gotta do is find him

We seriously need to find a veteran point guard this offseason.

I just am not confident with the core group that they can and will consistently find our bigs. It could be an ongoing story if we struggle again on offense.

I wish we could have brought rondo back.

[bullsareback]

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[Red Larrivee]

He was playing with teammates who played underwhelming today. WCJ was the only one who stood out in my opinion both offense and defense.

a single game +- in summer league is not any argument against adjusted plus minus over a large sample.

Garbage in... garbage out.

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+/- doesn't account for who you play with, opponents, and other things. Basically, if some scrub plays the majority of his minutes with LeBron James and James Harden, his +/- will be inflated. Or if a great player always plays with trash, his +/- will be misleading.

RPM still needs context like every other stat. You wouldn't be overly concerned that a rookie has a disappointing RPM, because he's a rookie and a larger sample will give you a better idea. For instance, Giannis' rookie season RPM is -1.14, which really isn't bad considering he was a project coming in. Or if a player is simply being used incorrectly, then that would give you a clue in addition to a tape study.

But overall it's probably the best one in terms of individual value relative to wins and losses.

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[NDave79]

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[Stratmaster]

a single game +- in summer league is not any argument against adjusted plus minus over a large sample.

Garbage in... garbage out.

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+/- doesn't account for who you play with, opponents, and other things. Basically, if some scrub plays the majority of his minutes with LeBron James and James Harden, his +/- will be inflated. Or if a great player always plays with trash, his +/- will be misleading.

RPM still needs context like every other stat. You wouldn't be overly concerned that a rookie has a disappointing RPM, because he's a rookie and a larger sample will give you a better idea. For instance, Giannis' rookie season RPM is -1.14, which really isn't bad considering he was a project coming in. Or if a player is simply being used incorrectly, then that would give you a clue in addition to a tape study.

But overall it's probably the best one in terms of individual value relative to wins and losses.

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Don't want to derail the discussion into an advanced stats discussion. We've had plenty of those. I will just say that imho RAPM works pretty good for identifying who the superstars in the league are. Once you get past them I don't put much stock in it. I get that it adjusts for who you're playing with, who you're playing against, etcetera and does so over a long time frame. There are still way too many variables so that I don't think it's going to help you differentiate between average NBA players.

Do we really need a stat to tell us that LBJ, Curry etc. are the top players in the league? It is great for confirming the obvious; not so great for helping you sort through the weeds.

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[bullsareback]

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[The Force.]

WCJ should really open things up for Dunn with his rim rolling, pick and pops, and floor spacing. For all the criticism Dunn gets (rightfully so) his vision/court awareness has shown a lot of promise and he has a knack for finding open shooters. WCJ is not only an ideal fit with Lauri, but also with Dunn.

This Bulls team has potential to be one of the best passing groups in the league. Dunn, Valentine, WCJ, Hutch, and even Lavine are all above average passers and our entire team is very unselfish. If Fred can get Zach to really buy into the system our offense could truly become a thing of beauty.

Again though, this will be highly contingent on Dunn's development. But as of now all the variables are there to help him reach his potential: ultimate floor spacing (5 out lineups), not one but two P&R/P&P bigs, a rim protecting center (freedom to gamble defensively), and two large screen setting bigs (RoLo/WCJ). He has all the room in the world to thrive in this system.

[Ctownbulls]

WCJ should really open things up for Dunn with his rim rolling, pick and pops, and floor spacing. For all the criticism Dunn gets (rightfully so) his vision/court awareness has shown a lot of promise and he has a knack for finding open shooters. WCJ is not only an ideal fit with Lauri, but also with Dunn.

This Bulls team has potential to be one of the best passing groups in the league. Dunn, Valentine, WCJ, Hutch, and even Lavine are all above average passers and our entire team is very unselfish. If Fred can get Zach to really buy into the system our offense could truly become a thing of beauty. Again though, this will be highly contingent on Dunn's development.

Lavine? Above average passer? I think those need to be separated from any sentence unless you include "not".

[panthermark]

The offense will be better with WCJ on the floor because he can do something that Lopez can't....hit threes. WCJ = Horford (if Horford was hitting 3's as a rookie). Spacing makes everything easier....but we still need a talent upgrade.

[The Force.]

WCJ should really open things up for Dunn with his rim rolling, pick and pops, and floor spacing. For all the criticism Dunn gets (rightfully so) his vision/court awareness has shown a lot of promise and he has a knack for finding open shooters. WCJ is not only an ideal fit with Lauri, but also with Dunn.

This Bulls team has potential to be one of the best passing groups in the league. Dunn, Valentine, WCJ, Hutch, and even Lavine are all above average passers and our entire team is very unselfish. If Fred can get Zach to really buy into the system our offense could truly become a thing of beauty. Again though, this will be highly contingent on Dunn's development.

Lavine? Above average passer? I think those need to be separated from any sentence unless you include "not".

Ok fair enough but as shooting guards go he is at least average. And if he buys into a system I could see him averaging 4apg, which is good for a SG.

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[bennjuiced34]

The game comes really easy to Carter. Literally hasn't forced a shot in 3 games so far. Not sure what his offensive upside is, but there's a lot of room for growth still (post game, pick n pop, increasing range). He also has this little floater off pick n pop he likes to use. I like that. Doesn't need his feet set to get his shot off.

Like what I see so far.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

I like the nickname

[sami71]

Carter seems to have been an excellent pick. I like his attitude and game. I have a good feeling that he might be my favourite soon.

I am not sure how old the quotes are but, I am not really convinced it's good form to quote other users from long past and rub their opinions in their faces. Especially draft nights are quite emotional.

Then one should refrain himself unless one is ready to be behind what he thinks and says and not just throwing things around, dont you think?

In a perfect world, yes. In reality a lot of things are said in draft nights and right after, because so much hopes and other emotions are involved. I think it's common sense to allow it to people, and move on and never look back. Just my opinion of course, and every one is free to do what they want within the rules of the BBS. Enough of that from me though.

This thread is about Carter and the superb promise he is showing. I love having him on the Bulls.

[Herrdoktor33]

Carter looks like a very smart and centered guy for a 19 year old. Look at his face men...he wants to win and do things right. He's got moves and defense. I hope, and i'm sure he will, continue like this in the regular season. Maybe he ain't no superstar but he'll deliver night after night.

[GimmeDat]

Carter just gets the game. He doesn't need a vet to show him the ropes.

[RememberLu]

He seems like a good kid who was brought up right. I don't underestimate the intangibles. I like that we have so many positive influence high-character guys

[bulliedog8]

I know we cant take much for SL, but this dude is gonna be big time. Bulls really do have an underrated young team.

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[Jcool0]

I think i would be okay with a rookie year similar to his freshman year at Duke. 13.5 ppg, 9.1 rebounds, 2.1 blocks & 40% from 3.