Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

Big Joke Line · Post #1681 » by **Big Joke Line** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:25 pm

tombattor wrote:
Big Joke Line wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:In my opinion Smart was much more impactful than Morris without question and likely Baynes as well

Wouldn't have beaten Philly without Baines. Smart probably yes.

It seemed like it because you had such a low expectation of him. It's like anytime Scalabrine used to make a play, everyone would love it. Stop with Baynes BS. I like him, but come on now.

I gotta say as nicely as I can - this is so wrong. Baynes made more big plays in big spots in one series than Scal ever made in his life including AAU and CYO.

tombattor · Post #1682 » by **tombattor** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:26 pm

Big Joke Line wrote:
tombattor wrote:
Big Joke Line wrote:Wouldn't have beaten Philly without Baines. Smart probably yes.

It seemed like it because you had such a low expectation of him. It's like anytime Scalabrine used to make a play, everyone would love it. Stop with Baynes BS. I like him, but come on now.

I gotta say as nicely as I can - this is so wrong. Baynes made more big plays in big spots in one series than Scal ever made in his life including AAU and CYO.

haha, ok. You got me there. I was getting carried away.

titlebound1 · Post #1683 » by **titlebound1** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:27 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
hickfromfrenchlick wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
Smart is a dimensional bench player with little affect on winning. We will make the pick unspecial anyways

You meant "one-dimensional," you spelled "effect" wrong, your take on Smart's impact reveals someone who didn't watch the playoffs, and your prediction of your garbage team's future performance is biased and naive.

Other than that, A+++ post, would read again.

There is anything on the Celtics roster that isn’t garbage other than Brown/Tatum. Irving/Hayward will never be the same. Horford old. Smart overrated role player, who has no great ‘affect’ on the Celtics or any other team winning anything. Rozier is limited.

The Celtics are overrated garbage who are going down. And your a disrespectful talking about teams with recent pasts with disdain

Wat?

I get it. Can't feel great that we have your pick next year

Fencer reregistered · Post #1684 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:29 pm

Big Joke Line wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Smart was our 7th best player in playoffs and Kyrie and Hayward did not play which means he is our 9th best player or 8th going forward if you assume Morris moves along after this season.

Are you assuming Smart will be similarly injured every season?

Are you assuming the Celtics will be similarly injured every season thus giving him an elevated role?

No. Your first clue might have been the mention of Kyrie and Hayward in what you quoted.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1685 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:30 pm

sully00 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Smart was our 7th best player in playoffs and Kyrie and Hayward did not play which means he is our 9th best player or 8th going forward if you assume Morris moves along after this season.

Are you assuming Smart will be similarly injured every season?

How does him being injured in FEB impact him in the playoffs?

Who is he going to move past on that list of 7 players in front of him?
Irving
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Baynes
He isn't unless he gets better offensively. Then you factor in Theis who was better than him in the regular season in the end Marcus Smart is you 9th best player and I don't know how that changes.

Smart missed the first games of the playoffs with an injured hand. So I don't understand the February reference.

3D Chess · Post #1686 » by **3D Chess** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:35 pm

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I dunno how you guys keep generating so many pages flogging a dead horse.

tombattor · Post #1687 » by **tombattor** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:37 pm

3D Chess wrote:

Read on Twitter

I dunno how you guys keep generating so many pages flogging a dead horse.

Because Smart-fans will say that's written in stone and Smart-haters will say that's just lip service.

SMTBSI · Post #1688 » by **SMTBSI** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:38 pm

3D Chess wrote:I dunno how you guys keep generating so many pages flogging a dead horse.

We have nothing else to do!

Post #1689 » by **canman1971** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:46 pm

It’s really obvious what will happen. One of 4 things:
1. Smart accepts the Cs’ offer on a multi year deal.
2. Smart gets an offer sheet from a team under the cap and the Cs match or pass.
3. Smart plays for the QO.
4. Maybe a S&T but I see that as the least likely.

Taget · Post #1690 » by **Taget** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:49 pm

sully00 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Smart was our 7th best player in playoffs and Kyrie and Hayward did not play which means he is our 9th best player or 8th going forward if you assume Morris moves along after this season.

Are you assuming Smart will be similarly injured every season?

How does him being injured in FEB impact him in the playoffs?

Who is he going to move past on that list of 7 players in front of him?
Irving
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Rozier
Baynes
He isn't unless he gets better offensively. Then you factor in Theis who was better than him in the regular season in the end Marcus Smart is you 9th best player and I don't know how that changes.

If I take your depth chart as accurate, which I might not since Marcus may play while a better offensive player sits for stretches due to Marcus' defense, there is still one sad reality in terms of the NBA.

Your top 7 players will rarely be healthy together at the same time. We saw this in the playoffs. Love injured for the Cavs, Iggy and Curry with the Cavs, Chris Paul for Houston, and of course our team was the walking wounded. Now obviously I am hoping for better luck this year and for Hayward to play more than 5 minutes and for Irving not to completely miss the playoffs but in today's NBA assuming everyone is going to be 100% in the playoffs is wishful thinking.

Big Joke Line · Post #1691 » by **Big Joke Line** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:49 pm

SMTBSI wrote:
3D Chess wrote:I dunno how you guys keep generating so many pages flogging a dead horse.

We have nothing else to do!

Hah this^ I wanted to bring something interesting to the board by going to the summer league at Dyckman Park but if you saw my posts in the summer league thread that hasn't panned out (yet still have some hope).

3D Chess · Post #1692 » by **3D Chess** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:52 pm

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ConstableGeneva · Post #1693 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:54 pm

canman1971 wrote:It’s really obvious what will happen. One of 4 things:
1. Smart accepts the Cs’ offer on a multi year deal.
2. Smart gets an offer sheet from a team under the cap and the Cs match or pass.
3. Smart plays for the QO.
4. Maybe a S&T but I see that as the least likely.

5. I get triggered, go all Humblebum, and get banned for defending Marcus Smart's dignity against all his detractors.

Still leaning with #1 as most likely scenario. If I had to put %s:
1. 60%
2. 8%
3. 30%
4. 2%

sam_I_am · Post #1694 » by **sam_I_am** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:55 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
tombattor wrote:He was 7th best player in the playoffs? Behind Tatum, Al, Brown, then who else?

Starting 5 and Morris.

In my opinion Smart was much more impactful than Morris without question and likely Baynes as well

For all the talk about how great a defender Marcus is, it was Baynes with NBA #1 defensive rating. Baynes is a role player and he played his role perfectly. He took the shots he can make within flow of system. There are times when matchups don’t favor him and he sits. Marcus is more versatile to be sure, but did he fill his role perfectly? In game 6 vs. Bucks when he was a team worst -14 and shot 2-9 .... was that really great? His 2-7s in the 2 wins vs Bucks weren’t special either. In those 2 wins we won by a smaller margin than the 2 wins without him.

I hate to be put in a position to knock a role player I really like. No matter what anybody says about him, 29% shooting in playoffs is not worth 15 million. I’m sorry. It just isn’t. Being tough, flopping at an elite level to create turnovers, getting under skin of opponents, jaw dropping steals once every other game...... I love it! But you can get that with a second round pick for a couple of years for a lot cheaper.

Post #1695 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:56 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
hickfromfrenchlick wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
Smart is a dimensional bench player with little affect on winning. We will make the pick unspecial anyways

You meant "one-dimensional," you spelled "effect" wrong, your take on Smart's impact reveals someone who didn't watch the playoffs, and your prediction of your garbage team's future performance is biased and naive.

Other than that, A+++ post, would read again.

There is anything on the Celtics roster that isn’t garbage other than Brown/Tatum. Irving/Hayward will never be the same. Horford old. Smart overrated role player, who has no great ‘affect’ on the Celtics or any other team winning anything. Rozier is limited.

The Celtics are overrated garbage who are going down. And your a disrespectful talking about teams with recent pasts with disdain

Warned for trolling. Dont do this again after your 12 hour suspension wears off.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1696 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:59 pm

BoogieTime got the HammerTime.

Post #1697 » by **canman1971** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:02 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
canman1971 wrote:It’s really obvious what will happen. One of 4 things:
1. Smart accepts the Cs’ offer on a multi year deal.
2. Smart gets an offer sheet from a team under the cap and the Cs match or pass.
3. Smart plays for the QO.
4. Maybe a S&T but I see that as the least likely.

5. I get triggered, go all Humblebum, and get banned for defending Marcus Smart's dignity against all his detractors.

Still leaning with #1 as most likely scenario. If I had to put %s:
1. 60%
2. 8%
3. 30%
4. 2%

Haha. Yeah. Bottom line is Ainge will get Smart for the number he sees as market value. If not he’s gone, but I just don’t see it. I like your percentages. Seems realistic.

TheNetsFan · Post #1698 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:13 pm

3D Chess wrote:

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I look at your roster & I wonder how true that is for this year. If you're able to retain Irving next season, than you're staring at years of being a tax payer. My assumption (it could be wrong) is that you'd want to avoid the tax this year in order to delay starting the clock on the repeater tax. I don't have insight on your ownership's willingness to spend big, but any year you can avoid the tax & postpone repeater taxes is huge for most owners. What are your thoughts?

Big Joke Line · Post #1699 » by **Big Joke Line** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:13 pm

canman1971 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
canman1971 wrote:It’s really obvious what will happen. One of 4 things:
1. Smart accepts the Cs’ offer on a multi year deal.
2. Smart gets an offer sheet from a team under the cap and the Cs match or pass.
3. Smart plays for the QO.
4. Maybe a S&T but I see that as the least likely.

5. I get triggered, go all Humblebum, and get banned for defending Marcus Smart's dignity against all his detractors.

Still leaning with #1 as most likely scenario. If I had to put %s:
1. 60%
2. 8%
3. 30%
4. 2%

Haha. Yeah. Bottom line is Ainge will get Smart for the number he sees as market value. If not he’s gone, but I just don’t see it. I like your percentages. Seems realistic.

I agree but what this might not be taking into consideration is the Celts offer will now be signicantly lower on #1 option than it was and he might not take it making me think #3 is more likely.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1700 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:19 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
3D Chess wrote:

Read on Twitter

I look at your roster & I wonder how true that is for this year. If you're able to retain Irving next season, than you're staring at years of being a tax payer. My assumption (it could be wrong) is that you'd want to avoid the tax this year in order to delay starting the clock on the repeater tax. I don't have insight on your ownership's willingness to spend big, but any year you can avoid the tax & postpone repeater taxes is huge for most owners. What are your thoughts?

Ownership are venture capital and private equity guys. If they need to bring more capital into the team, they will.

That said -- of course you're right that Ainge will try to avoid the luxury tax for as long as he can.