Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

brackdan70 · Post #1701 » by **brackdan70** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:20 pm

3D Chess wrote:

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This is interesting actually. I interpreted this as meaning this year... so really he would be willing to match or offer a market value contract to Smart regardless of tax implications as well as match an offer for Bird if needed.

3D Chess · Post #1702 » by **3D Chess** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:29 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
3D Chess wrote:

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I look at your roster & I wonder how true that is for this year. If you're able to retain Irving next season, than you're staring at years of being a tax payer. My assumption (it could be wrong) is that you'd want to avoid the tax this year in order to delay starting the clock on the repeater tax. I don't have insight on your ownership's willingness to spend big, but any year you can avoid the tax & postpone repeater taxes is huge for most owners. What are your thoughts?

Pretty spot on analysis. I am not sure if he was referring to this year specifically, or just in general, knowing that Kyrie (to say nothing of the rookie contract guys) has to get paid.

Afam · Post #1703 » by **Afam** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:29 pm

I am ok with the celtics paying the luxury tax, i want them to but not for marcus smart. It should be for one the celtics are a true contending team, and they are one star player short of that. Like a Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis etc. Celtics should hold off on paying the tax until they are another star player that will push them into a team capable of beating the warriors and winning championships.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1704 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:31 pm

Big Joke Line wrote:
canman1971 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:5. I get triggered, go all Humblebum, and get banned for defending Marcus Smart's dignity against all his detractors.

Still leaning with #1 as most likely scenario. If I had to put %s:
1. 60%
2. 8%
3. 30%
4. 2%

Haha. Yeah. Bottom line is Ainge will get Smart for the number he sees as market value. If not he’s gone, but I just don’t see it. I like your percentages. Seems realistic.

I agree but what this might not be taking into consideration is the Celts offer will now be signicantly lower on #1 option than it was and he might not take it making me think #3 is more likely.

I see bolded to less likely to happen than more likely to happen.

You still have to maintain a good relationship with your players if you want to keep them long-term*. Lowballing a player doesn't achieve that. Essentially forcing him to take the QO also increases the likelihood he walks after the season. Ainge already indicated being a taxpayer isn't an issue. And if they want to avoid the tax this season, there are other ways of achieving that without hurting your oncourt production.

Smart just needs to look at Noel's case to see that getting back into the market next offseason isn't his optimal move. Yes, there will be more cap space by then but there will be about 200 FAs next summer and at least a dozen All-Star types eating up the majority of that money. Lock up the long-term deal now. By the time that contract expires, he can still go for one more big payday entering his prime after playing for a contender and not some mediocre/bad team.

*I believe Ainge and Stevens want Smart on the team at least the next three seasons for our title runs.

Afam · Post #1705 » by **Afam** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:34 pm

This team is so close to being a great team, a team that will dominate the NBA for years. All they are missing is one more star player. If the celtics were to acquire Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis, they will beat the Warriors.

Celts17Pride · Post #1706 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:35 pm

Afam wrote:I am ok with the celtics paying the luxury tax, i want them to but not for marcus smart. It should be for one the celtics are a true contending team, and they are one star player short of that. Like a Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis etc. Celtics should hold off on paying the tax until they are another star player that will push them into a team capable of beating the warriors and winning championships.

Newsflash: Celtics are a true contending team!

ermocrate · Post #1707 » by **ermocrate** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:35 pm

Afam wrote:This team is so close to being a great team, a team that will dominate the NBA for years. All they are missing is one more star player. If the celtics were to acquire Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis, they will beat the Warriors.

We have 5 stars, is that not enough?

Afam · Post #1708 » by **Afam** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:37 pm

No way should the celtics pay Marcus Smart more than 10 million, max being 13 million. That is his value money wise. He is a 10-12 million type of player.

Celts17Pride · Post #1709 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Afam wrote:This team is so close to being a great team, a team that will dominate the NBA for years. All they are missing is one more star player. If the celtics were to acquire Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis, they will beat the Warriors.

Celtics are not getting Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis. Don't set yourself up to be disappointed.

Bill Lumbergh · Post #1710 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:38 pm

If Smart takes the QO, making him an UFA next summer, does Boston still have Bird rights next summer if they want to re-sign him?

Celts17Pride · Post #1711 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:39 pm

Afam wrote:No way should the celtics pay Marcus Smart more than 10 million, max being 13 million. That is his value money wise. He is a 10-12 million type of player.

Marcus Smart is actually a $8-9 million a year player. Celtics may have to pay $10-12 million to keep him.

Edug27 · Post #1712 » by **Edug27** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:41 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Afam wrote:This team is so close to being a great team, a team that will dominate the NBA for years. All they are missing is one more star player. If the celtics were to acquire Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis, they will beat the Warriors.

Celtics are not getting Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis. Don't set yourself up to be disappointed.

Kawhi... nope. Ship sailed. AD has yet to hit the market so too early to tell. Just have to let it all play out.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1713 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:41 pm

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Post #1714 » by **canman1971** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:42 pm

Afam wrote:No way should the celtics pay Marcus Smart more than 10 million, max being 13 million. That is his value money wise. He is a 10-12 million type of player.

You do realize 13 is more than 10 right?

Celts17Pride · Post #1715 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:44 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Afam wrote:This team is so close to being a great team, a team that will dominate the NBA for years. All they are missing is one more star player. If the celtics were to acquire Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis, they will beat the Warriors.

Celtics are not getting Kawhi Leonard or Anthony Davis. Don't set yourself up to be disappointed.

Kawhi... nope. Ship sailed. AD has yet to hit the market so too early to tell. Just have to let it all play out.

Really was just talking about this off-season.

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #1716 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:44 pm

Yeah also we kill our depth and enter the tax much sooner with a davis or leonard trade.. i think we are contenders outside of any trades...

Homerclease · Post #1717 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:45 pm

canman1971 wrote:
Afam wrote:No way should the celtics pay Marcus Smart more than 10 million, max being 13 million. That is his value money wise. He is a 10-12 million type of player.

You do realize 13 is more than 10 right?

I think he meant to say they should go more than 10-13 million with 13 being an absolute max (1 million over his proposed value).

Personally I’d offer him 3/24 and if he doesn’t like it he can take the qualifying offer. Smart gets the same deal Lou Williams got. Similar caliber role player backup guard

Big Joke Line · Post #1718 » by **Big Joke Line** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:46 pm

Ugh I still dont understand why they should overbid themselves by millions a year which could have future implications.

I also don't get the idea that they should overpay by millions so he's not salty. The idea that that's going to affect a future sighing is beyond me. Pay him 3/$36million so his feelings aren't hurt if (IF) the next highest bidder is a fraction of that?

Celts17Pride · Post #1719 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:46 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:

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Typical Danny speak. The man is a legend!

brackdan70 · Post #1720 » by **brackdan70** » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:46 pm

Afam wrote:I am ok with the celtics paying the luxury tax, i want them to but not for marcus smart. It should be for one the celtics are a true contending team, and they are one star player short of that. Like a Kawhi Leonard, Anthony Davis etc. Celtics should hold off on paying the tax until they are another star player that will push them into a team capable of beating the warriors and winning championships.

Well... this is the best team in the East and has 3 all stars with one or two future all stars all ready. As far as contention we are there. Getting an additional Star would be great but that is not easy nor likely. We all have differing opinions on the value of Smart but having him around for Golden State gives a better shot than not having him. I get it though, avoiding the tax this year would be ideal. If Smart ends up signing for what I believe a fair deal is ...8 to 11 million starting salary, Danny can maneuver under the tax pretty easily. If more than 11 million then it’s pretty tricky and we are paying tax for Smart.