Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

[Feed Your Head]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

[cloverleaf]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

Or, even more than $10M a year. I think the offer Smart turned down last year isn't coming back. A bad move on Marcus's part not to have taken it. But that actually has helped the C's since circumstances have changed (e.g., both Smart and Rozier's play last year and their being able to land Wanamaker this year) that make what the C's offered him then less appealing to them now.

[Feed Your Head]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

Or, even more than $10M a year. I think the offer Smart turned down last year isn't coming back. A bad move on Marcus's part not to have taken it. But that actually has helped the C's since circumstances have changed (e.g., both Smart and Rozier's play last year and their being able to land Wanamaker this year) that make what the C's offered him them less appealing to them now.

I didn't really mean the number they're okay with giving him so much as what his dumb ass agent seemed to convince Marcus is the absolute least he should take. I still think if it came down to it they'd give him 11 or 12, but probably on shorter years. I think he will be back, but Amory saying that they're lying if he isn't, is insane.

[amory87]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

There's no celtic offer on the table that we know of aside from the QO. So if they don't at least make an offer at a number they'd be happy with and give him the option to stay, that to me says they never really cared about keeping him. Which runs contrary to what Danny has been saying to the media.

[cloverleaf]

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

Or, even more than $10M a year. I think the offer Smart turned down last year isn't coming back. A bad move on Marcus's part not to have taken it. But that actually has helped the C's since circumstances have changed (e.g., both Smart and Rozier's play last year and their being able to land Wanamaker this year) that make what the C's offered him them less appealing to them now.

I didn't really mean the number they're okay with giving him so much as what his dumb ass agent seemed to convince Marcus is the absolute least he should take. I still think if it came down to it they'd give him 11 or 12, but probably on shorter years. I think he will be back, but Amory saying that they're lying if he isn't, is insane.

Oh, I agree with you on that. Having him as an offseason priority doesn't mean they'll pay a crazy amount for him.

I think having another year to land a real contract could be good for him, as his big minutes and constant fawning by Brad apparently gave him an inaccurate view of his place in the market. He might recommit himself to improving his shooting now.

[CeltsfaninDC]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

uhhh, no. This happens every day. Don’t be naive

[Larry Legend 33]

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The whole leverage point was his contract expiring in two years. They may have felt compelled to trade him if next summer if they thought he was leaving in 2020. Unless he is willing to walk from a supermax that they would love to give him and which he is now eligible for, Pels have control of him for the next seven years.

He may spring loose, but it is highly unlikely.

Kawhi is currently walking away from the supermax. It's not unlikely enough to definitively say "not happening."

Yeah, it is.

Once again, there is someone CURRENTLY walking away from the supermax. You are not all knowing, you can't say definitively 100% it's not happening. You're coming off incredibly arrogant

[TheTruth316]

Stop the rhetoric. Smart is the one who is being unreasonable. I'm so hurt because they won't overpay me. Trade him.

[cl2117]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

There's no celtic offer on the table that we know of aside from the QO. So if they don't at least make an offer at a number they'd be happy with and give him the option to stay, that to me says they never really cared about keeping him. Which runs contrary to what Danny has been saying to the media.

There's been negotiations. They've likely not made an official offer because they're still well below what Marcus is interested in so they're letting things settle down. It's not like they haven't had talks with Smart's people.

Danny is probably happy around $10m. Smart probably wants $14m. Celtics know they can have him back at the QO. No need to bid against yourselves (and that doesn't mean they don't care about keeping him, just that they're not dumb).

[cloverleaf]

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

Or, even more than $10M a year. I think the offer Smart turned down last year isn't coming back. A bad move on Marcus's part not to have taken it. But that actually has helped the C's since circumstances have changed (e.g., both Smart and Rozier's play last year and their being able to land Wanamaker this year) that make what the C's offered him them less appealing to them now.

I didn't really mean the number they're okay with giving him so much as what his dumb ass agent seemed to convince Marcus is the absolute least he should take. I still think if it came down to it they'd give him 11 or 12, but probably on shorter years. I think he will be back, but Amory saying that they're lying if he isn't, is insane.

Oh, and I'm in no way convinced turning down the extension last fall was the agent's idea at all. Likely he wanted him to take it. At worst, he may not have been as forceful about it after his experience losing a previous, disgruntled client just before a big deal.

[cloverleaf]

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

There's no celtic offer on the table that we know of aside from the QO. So if they don't at least make an offer at a number they'd be happy with and give him the option to stay, that to me says they never really cared about keeping him. Which runs contrary to what Danny has been saying to the media.

There's been negotiations. They've likely not made an official offer because they're still well below what Marcus is interested in so they're letting things settle down. It's not like they haven't had talks with Smart's people.

Danny is probably happy around $10m. Smart probably wants $14m. Celtics know they can have him back at the QO. No need to bid against yourselves (and that doesn't mean they don't care about keeping him, just that they're not dumb).

There have also been ongoing negotiations through the media, in case anyone hasn't noticed.

[ConstableGeneva]

What Smart's camp expects: 14M+
What Ainge already offered before he entered the market: 12M
What most Smart supporters believe is fair value: 11-12M
What the market has set: Slightly over the MLE (Cs matching the most any team would offer)
What other teams that could use him can offer: MLE or portion of MLE
What Smart non-supporters think his true value is: below MLE or QO or minimum

I underestimated the stubbornness of Smart/his agent. I think the slightly above MLE offer is there for him for four years if he wanted it. They can drag this on until training camp but I don't think they'd get anything more than MLE from other teams. This S&T talk sounds nonsense agent smoke to me. Memphis writer already debunked report that Grizz have interest.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Kawhi is currently walking away from the supermax. It's not unlikely enough to definitively say "not happening."

Yeah, it is.

Once again, there is someone CURRENTLY walking away from the supermax. You are not all knowing, you can't say definitively 100% it's not happening. You're coming off incredibly arrogant

He wasnt offered the supermax. Michael C Wright, the ESPN reporter who’s broken every Kawhi story with Woj, reported on the Back to Back podcast network that Kawhi would take it of offered, because 221M is a **** load of money. The Spurs dont want to offer it after last season and the loss of control on the players medical situation.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

Smart seems to be pegging his value in relation to Dante Exum’s 3/33 deal. I cant see him accepting less than 12 because he’s significantly more accomplished than Exum.

Ainge isnt going to peg Smarts value off of an overpay by another team. I dont see a long term deal getting done.

[BruceBanner18]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because he is their #1 priority doesn't mean they have to bring him back. They can't just blindlessly throw whatever amount at him because he's their top priority. I want Smart back as much as anybody, but if he goes elsewhere it's not because of the Celtics "lying", it's because they didn't want to give him more than 12 million a year.

Smart seems to be pegging his value in relation to Dante Exum’s 3/33 deal. I cant see him accepting less than 12 because he’s significantly more accomplished than Exum.

Ainge isnt going to peg Smarts value off of an overpay by another team. I dont see a long term deal getting done.

As soon as I saw Bradley's 12.5 annual salary, I posted that Marcus would feel his self valuation was correct. I can totally see him not accepting a penny less annually than his ex teammate..

[jeremym480]

Smart seems to be pegging his value in relation to Dante Exum’s 3/33 deal. I cant see him accepting less than 12 because he’s significantly more accomplished than Exum.

Ainge isnt going to peg Smarts value off of an overpay by another team. I dont see a long term deal getting done.

I agree that this is what is happening.

I hope that they can work it out because a) Smart's an emotional guy and I don't want to see what he plays like on his QO and b) I think signing him to a 3-4 year deal would be great as insurance if *gulps Kyrie does leave.... because if he does leave we're going to need more than just Rozier at PG.

Like I said earlier, just lock him up, keep him happy, and at the very least he will be a beefier contract if we're ever going to trade for another star in the future. Not that I really think that we will trade for one but it will be nice to know that we wouldn't have to move 3-4+ guys to get someone like Leonard or Butler. Also, I think that Smart at $10-11 million will have a market next offseason when teams have a little more cash to throw around.

[Celts17Pride]

If we end up doing a sign and trade Danny is going to look like a POS. How many times has he said bringing back Smart is the number one priority?

He's going to become a guy no one trusts if he pulls crap like this. Having a general "no one is untouchable" policy is one thing but lying about the team's intentions is another.

Ainge does this all the time. He loved Pierce, KG, Ray Allen, Perk, Tony Allen, Al Jefferson, Rondo, IT, Crowder etc. Ainge loved Avery Bradley like a son. All traded or he tried to trade in Ray Allen's case.

This is just GM speak.

[Captain_Caveman]

Kawhi is currently walking away from the supermax. It's not unlikely enough to definitively say "not happening."

Yeah, it is.

Once again, there is someone CURRENTLY walking away from the supermax. You are not all knowing, you can't say definitively 100% it's not happening. You're coming off incredibly arrogant

Not happening.

[chrisab123]

I’m beginning to think Danny is going to pay Rozier like a starter after next year and isn’t sweating Kyrie possibly leaving because he has Rozier as the PG and thinks he can be the guy.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Smart seems to be pegging his value in relation to Dante Exum’s 3/33 deal. I cant see him accepting less than 12 because he’s significantly more accomplished than Exum.

Ainge isnt going to peg Smarts value off of an overpay by another team. I dont see a long term deal getting done.

I agree that this is what is happening.

I hope that they can work it out because a) Smart's an emotional guy and I don't want to see what he plays like on his QO and b) I think signing him to a 3-4 year deal would be great as insurance if *gulps Kyrie does leave.... because if he does leave we're going to need more than just Rozier at PG.

Like I said earlier, just lock him up, keep him happy, and at the very least he will be a beefier contract if we're ever going to trade for another star in the future. Not that I really think that we will trade for one but it will be nice to know that we wouldn't have to move 3-4+ guys to get someone like Leonard or Butler. Also, I think that Smart at $10-11 million will have a market next offseason when teams have a little more cash to throw around.

On that note, if we do resign Rozier to an extension after Smart takes the QO, I see Smart becoming very bitter and disenfranchised.