Kings Off-Season

[LightTheBeam]

Proposed awhile back taking bad salary on multi year deals.

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Mahimi in order to get Oubre but it would likely cost WCS.

Deng for an unprotected 2019, protected 2021 but send an expiring vet out

Call up Denver and get Faried for a protected first.

Parsons is very expensive, they'd have to take ZBO and really offer something good.

See, I think you are going to have to look at the very expensive Whiteside/Parsons type contracts to get something good. I don't think the Lakers give up Deng for this, when they can just stretch him. Protected Denver first is meh.

Mahimi/Oubre I could get behind, but I think the Wiz just wait until next off season to figure out the Porter/Oubre issue.

I guess on my end, I would rather get something good now (Richardson, Oubre level guys) rather than wait till next off season.

I'm down with taking on Mahimi to get Porter, not so much Oubre.

The Wizards have Mahimi/Porter/Brown/Wall/Beal tied up for 109 million next season. Offer Oubre 4/60 and dare them to match. Of course we would have to overpay and fight off other teams but I think we can sell him on a young core where he could immediately start.

If Washington matches they would put themselves into some serious luxury tax for a non contender with 7 more slots to fill out. They would be approaching 130-135 million dollar payroll just with minimum level contracts. No way do they do that for a 6th seed team.

I wouldn't handicap ourselves with another year of Mahimi for Oubre. I like him and if they are willing to take on Randolph sure, but not giving any additional value to do so.

[kingjawn100]

The scary thing...if the Kings are having this much trouble landing free agents when they are 1 of 2 teams with money just imagine next summer when there are a boatload of title contenders who will have cap space. I think the kings will sell the narrative that "eventhough we have no 1st rounder we have tons of money for free agents'"when in reality nothing says we'd magically start to attract free agents next summer.

That's why i was more than ok with the Lavine overpay and why i'd also be ok overpaying for Smart or trading for Wiggins. You're never gonna get better by waiting forever for free agents/their agents to decide its beneficial coming to Sac. Build a decent team with attractive assets and hopefully you can one day package them for a legit star.

[KF10]

Next summer, there are going to be a boatload of teams that will have $$$$ for free agency. I don't know why the Kings are sitting idly so far when knowing the fact they are only a handful of teams that have $$$$$ THIS summer.

Heck, at this point, I'm not going to be mad if they give a run at Jabari Parker.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I was just thinking that with the Bulls waiving Kilpatrick and renouncing Nwaba that they maybe making an offer to Jabari Parker.

[SactoKingsFan]

I can understand going after guys like Smart or Parker but trading for Wiggins would be a ridiculously stupid move. Wiggins has terrible BBIQ, doesn't play defense, hasn't shown much improvement in 4 seasons and there's been questions about his work ethic. It's not a given his peak will be better than prime Rudy Gay. There's just too many red flags to take on that contract and make Wiggins the franchise cornerstone.

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[kingjawn100]

I can understand going after guys like Smart or Parker but trading for Wiggins would be a ridiculously stupid move. Wiggins has terrible BBIQ, doesn't play defense, hasn't shown much improvement in 4 seasons and there's been questions about his work ethic. It's not a given his peak will be better than prime Rudy Gay. There's just too many red flags to take on that contract and make Wiggins the franchise cornerstone.

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You only trade for Wiggins if things get worse in Minnesota and they decide they have to move on from him. I still think there's a chance one of Thibs, KAT, Butler or Wiggins won't be on that roster opening night.

Far from a desirable contract but he'd instantly become the best player on a team in desperate need of a go-to scorer. People get way too hung up on contract and fit when the point is having as many guys as possible who are supremely talented.

[SactoKingsFan]

I can understand going after guys like Smart or Parker but trading for Wiggins would be a ridiculously stupid move. Wiggins has terrible BBIQ, doesn't play defense, hasn't shown much improvement in 4 seasons and there's been questions about his work ethic. It's not a given his peak will be better than prime Rudy Gay. There's just too many red flags to take on that contract and make Wiggins the franchise cornerstone.

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You only trade for Wiggins if things get worse in Minnesota and they decide they have to move on from him. I still think there's a chance one of Thibs, KAT, Butler or Wiggins won't be on that roster opening night.

Far from a desirable contract but he'd instantly become the best player on a team in desperate need of a go-to scorer. People get way too hung up on contract and fit when the point is having as many guys as possible who are supremely talented.

Wiggins wouldn't be the clear cut best player on most of the non playoff teams. I'm not sure why he'd be any better than WCS or Hield.

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[kingjawn100]

I-T signed by nuggets...interesting

[kingjawn100]

I can understand going after guys like Smart or Parker but trading for Wiggins would be a ridiculously stupid move. Wiggins has terrible BBIQ, doesn't play defense, hasn't shown much improvement in 4 seasons and there's been questions about his work ethic. It's not a given his peak will be better than prime Rudy Gay. There's just too many red flags to take on that contract and make Wiggins the franchise cornerstone.

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You only trade for Wiggins if things get worse in Minnesota and they decide they have to move on from him. I still think there's a chance one of Thibs, KAT, Butler or Wiggins won't be on that roster opening night.

Far from a desirable contract but he'd instantly become the best player on a team in desperate need of a go-to scorer. People get way too hung up on contract and fit when the point is having as many guys as possible who are supremely talented.

Wiggins wouldn't be the clear cut best player on most of the non playoff teams. I'm not sure why he'd be any better than WCS or Hield.

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cmon...you're really arguing Willie Cauley Stein is as valuable as Andrew Wiggins?!

[SactoKingsFan]

You only trade for Wiggins if things get worse in Minnesota and they decide they have to move on from him. I still think there's a chance one of Thibs, KAT, Butler or Wiggins won't be on that roster opening night.

Far from a desirable contract but he'd instantly become the best player on a team in desperate need of a go-to scorer. People get way too hung up on contract and fit when the point is having as many guys as possible who are supremely talented.

Wiggins wouldn't be the clear cut best player on most of the non playoff teams. I'm not sure why he'd be any better than WCS or Hield.

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cmon...you're really arguing Willie Cauley Stein is as valuable as Andrew Wiggins?!

Yeah, I don't see Wiggins as clearly more valuable than Willie. He's mostly just an inefficient scorer. You don't get playmaking, shooting or defense from Wiggins. What exactly is so valuable about Wiggins?

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[LightTheBeam]

Woke up early this morning so decided to get an early start at the office. Phone is messed up so instead of listening to my usual bluetooth I turned on 1140...

These schmucks were talking about the Kings moving Shump/Skal/2nd for Kent Bazemore and "would that be enough to get Atlanta to move off Bazemore".. I came into the convo late but if thats really what they think how the hell do they have a job? How disconnected can you be...

Atlanta would beg us to take Bazemore for Shump. They would probably give us a 2nd at minimum to make that happen.

[blind prophet]

Woke up early this morning so decided to get an early start at the office. Phone is messed up so instead of listening to my usual bluetooth I turned on 1140...

These schmucks were talking about the Kings moving Shump/Skal/2nd for Kent Bazemore and "would that be enough to get Atlanta to move off Bazemore".. I came into the convo late but if thats really what they think how the hell do they have a job? How disconnected can you be...

Atlanta would beg us to take Bazemore for Shump. They would probably give us a 2nd at minimum to make that happen.

Yeah, the garbage analysis happens all the time. Dave wasn't on air today so maybe that was an issue.

[LightTheBeam]

Woke up early this morning so decided to get an early start at the office. Phone is messed up so instead of listening to my usual bluetooth I turned on 1140...

These schmucks were talking about the Kings moving Shump/Skal/2nd for Kent Bazemore and "would that be enough to get Atlanta to move off Bazemore".. I came into the convo late but if thats really what they think how the hell do they have a job? How disconnected can you be...

Atlanta would beg us to take Bazemore for Shump. They would probably give us a 2nd at minimum to make that happen.

Yeah, the garbage analysis happens all the time. Dave wasn't on air today so maybe that was an issue.

Ya its just odd to me. Seriously.. This is your job and you cant take 5 minutes to read around the league about how Atlanta was trying to get Dallas to take Bazemore during the draft trade and Dallas balked. Hes a 4-6 million dollar player at best making 15 mil per. Could grab a few of us Kings realgm posters with more insight to offer.

[SacKingZZZ]

I like Bazemore and think he'd be perfect for Dave Joerger, but that contract is horrid. Who knows though since the dreams of 2019 space as an answer should be gone with the wind by now.

[becorz]

Can you all explain to me why it seems people are looking for the Kings to get a backup PG to replace Frank Mason? I think he had a very good rookie year and it part of the core moving forward. He seemed pretty aggressive last year, but in college he seemed to be a pretty good spot up shooter and I think that would fit on the team. Why are people looking to replace him?

I get that the way he played on the Kings, the injuries could be a concern. I was at the Grizzlies game where he got hurt, sitting right behind the basket. I remember telling my friend that if Mason kept pulling an IT and diving in there with the bigger players, he will get hurt. And then he did on a stupid play. But they can teach him not to do that.

I do think getting Frank some competition would be good.At the very least, it won't leave us short at PG if he is out. But I would be looking at Shelvin Mack level players. But I want Mason to develop, personally. Why are some people looking to replace him outright? He needs to play to get better.

Someone the trade board (I think it was blind prophet?) posted a trade where the Kings would get Ish Smith. I don't particularly like that move because Ish Smith, right now, is streets ahead of Mason. I personally want a lesser PG to be competition for him. Larkin or Frazier if you are looking young. Jack or Mack if you want more of a veteran. Hell, I think Devin Harris would be awesome for some veteran leadership (though he will just go back to the Mavs, probably)

[blind prophet]

Can you all explain to me why it seems people are looking for the Kings to get a backup PG to replace Frank Mason? I think he had a very good rookie year and it part of the core moving forward. He seemed pretty aggressive last year, but in college he seemed to be a pretty good spot up shooter and I think that would fit on the team. Why are people looking to replace him?

I get that the way he played on the Kings, the injuries could be a concern. I was at the Grizzlies game where he got hurt, sitting right behind the basket. I remember telling my friend that if Mason kept pulling an IT and diving in there with the bigger players, he will get hurt. And then he did on a stupid play. But they can teach him not to do that.

I do think getting Frank some competition would be good.At the very least, it won't leave us short at PG if he is out. But I would be looking at Shelvin Mack level players. But I want Mason to develop, personally. Why are some people looking to replace him outright? He needs to play to get better.

Someone the trade board (I think it was blind prophet?) posted a trade where the Kings would get Ish Smith. I don't particularly like that move because Ish Smith, right now, is streets ahead of Mason. I personally want a lesser PG to be competition for him. Larkin or Frazier if you are looking young. Jack or Mack if you want more of a veteran. Hell, I think Devin Harris would be awesome for some veteran leadership (though he will just go back to the Mavs, probably)

He has failed to run a cohesive offense overall in summer league, despite decent assist numbers. He also had moments in the regular season where he didn't look that good.

I think we need a vet on a 1 year deal for now as Frank develops more. He risks stunting the development of others as well.

Over at Kingsfans a lot of people are talking about some of this.

[becorz]

Stuff about Frank Mason

He has failed to run a cohesive offense overall in summer league, despite decent assist numbers. He also had moments in the regular season where he didn't look that good.

I think we need a vet on a 1 year deal for now as Frank develops more. He risks stunting the development of others as well.

Over at Kingsfans a lot of people are talking about some of this.

While I think summer league was a little alarming, I guess I choose not to worry about it. It's the first games of the offseason, everyone is a little rusty. And no one has chemistry with each other.

Off the games he played last season, I think that Frank is more than capable as a backup PG. Like I said, I wish he was a little less IT-ish with his driving to the lane, but he was decent at being a play maker, especially for a rookie PG. And I think that is a lot of it, he was a rookie PG, how many of those look awesome in their first year?

I agree a vet on a one year deal would be good, but FRANKly (I crack myself up), I want to target a lower level veteran type, like a Shelvin Mack, who would be competition for Mason but we could justify playing Frank over the veteran, most of the time.

It's gonna be a lost year, let Mason play!

[becorz]

There is a thread on the trade board where semi-reputable sources (according to those in the thread) are reporting that Jabari will sign with Chicago, for what it is worth.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1727846

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[sacking123]

While it’s disappointing we haven’t done much during free agency there is still time. Perhaps Vlade is going to be the other big winner from a Kawhi trade.
I honestly can’t believe how things are shaking out that we aren’t in the Parker discussion. Vlade’s thoughts on Bagley have really thwarted any chance of Parker really, so let’s go get Smart. Ainge is just sitting there and he will get Smart at an absolute bargain or force Smart into the qualifying offer.
To be honest I was fine with going into the season with this roster plus/minus some small trades that won’t have an impact on playing time as I don’t want a minutes crunch happening this season, but things have fallen into the FOs laps and, at this stage anyway, they haven’t taken advantage of it. It’s almost like Vlade had this fantastic plan of having cap space in the year that most didn’t want space and it has worked out perfectly for him and then he just doesn’t know how to execute on the plan.
And as I write this Parker has signed with the Bulls. So we miss on Lavine and Parker to the same team.



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[kalenclayton]

While it’s disappointing we haven’t done much during free agency there is still time. Perhaps Vlade is going to be the other big winner from a Kawhi trade.
I honestly can’t believe how things are shaking out that we aren’t in the Parker discussion. Vlade’s thoughts on Bagley have really thwarted any chance of Parker really, so let’s go get Smart. Ainge is just sitting there and he will get Smart at an absolute bargain or force Smart into the qualifying offer.
To be honest I was fine with going into the season with this roster plus/minus some small trades that won’t have an impact on playing time as I don’t want a minutes crunch happening this season, but things have fallen into the FOs laps and, at this stage anyway, they haven’t taken advantage of it. It’s almost like Vlade had this fantastic plan of having cap space in the year that most didn’t want space and it has worked out perfectly for him and then he just doesn’t know how to execute on the plan.
And as I write this Parker has signed with the Bulls. So we miss on Lavine and Parker to the same team.



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Technically it isn’t done yet. Woj says “progressing”. Things can still fall apart. Just saying. This would effectively take them off the trade market though.

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