ESPN Free Agency Primer (Nets speculation included)

[NyCeEvO]

This thread is not about reminiscing on your interactions with fans of Jeremy Lin. Stay on topic or your posts will be considered derailing.

- NyCe

[NyCeEvO]

Came in here to surf around because I wasn't very familiar with Brooklyn's cap position and wanted to assess if they were any threat to try to poach Clint Capela.

Ok, that's fine.

Left thinking, thank god we got rid of Jeremy Lin. Yall dont know the half of it. I couldnt go within 600 feet of a Rockets board for two years.

But the Nets board isn't the place for you to talk about your grievances with the Rockets board and fans of Lin. Any more of this will be considered derailing.

[steady]

It’s fine and right to say Nets have four PGs and the young guys need more playing time . But nothing I saw from last season gave me confidence that any of the young guard combinations work and could help DLo grow

Who’s it going to be? Din? LeVert? Crabbe?
Who’s going to be able to get up in DLos face and say the things he needs to hear . Who is going to have chemistry playing with him and bring out the best parts of his game?

[vincecarter4pres]

It’s fine and right to say Nets have four PGs and the young guys need more playing time . But nothing I saw from last season gave me confidence that any of the other combinations work and could help DLo grow

Who’s it going to be? Din? LeVert? Crabbe?
Who’s going to be able to get up in DLos face and say the things he needs to hear . Who is going to have chemistry playing with him amd bring out the best parts of his game?

Tbh, this could be a reason they're high on Smart, if they actually are.

Never thought about that. Maybe they want to replace Lin with another hard nosed vet, even if that vet is only 24.

[Rocketsbaby]

Came in here to surf around because I wasn't very familiar with Brooklyn's cap position and wanted to assess if they were any threat to try to poach Clint Capela.

Ok, that's fine.

Left thinking, thank god we got rid of Jeremy Lin. Yall dont know the half of it. I couldnt go within 600 feet of a Rockets board for two years.

But the Nets board isn't the place for you to talk about your grievances with the Rockets board and fans of Lin. Any more of this will be considered derailing.

LOL. Wow, it must be one heck of an issue for this to be necessary

[ChokeFasncists]

Choke,

Lin was healthy when he signed with us and then missed the overwhelming majority of the season.
Lin was supposedly healthy last year and missed all but one game.

Put aside the whole idea of who's more talented and let's simply focus on health. The best ability is availability and Lin has suffered not one, but two, devastating injuries and the last one typically severely hampers one's playing ability. Based on this alone, I highly doubt the Nets would go into the season believing that he should be the starter. They need to worry about getting him healthy and keeping him healthy well before any discussions of him possibly starting are brought up.

Now, if you factor in his age compared to the other guards, his talent vs DLo's (who Marks is probably hoping can be a low level star, otherwise he wouldn't have traded for him), and that Marks is still in talent acquisition mode and not putting wins as the #1 priority, I don't see any circumstance where it makes sense for Lin to start. It would be a success simply seeing him playing limited minutes for an entire season, since he hasn't even been able to do that while a Net.

Hey, thx for the replies! Sure, if he's not healthy, he won't play, if he's not 100% he'll play limited minutes. Thing is, we've been operating under the hypothetical question of "what if he's healthy?" as proposed by OP, I don't think time was part of the question either, it could be any point of the season I think. There's indeed not much to talk about in terms of his health, one can only hope/pray he comes back strong. It's good tho that it has been progressing well, there's no setback and he's been doing rigorous kinesiology. The guy is super stubborn and he said he's aiming to start until something changes. If they might not start him if healthy they'd gotta have some discussion about it.

If he's fully healthy, I'm not sure his age would be a problem as DMC has been starting for the entire year. I don't see it as an issue of him vs DRuss. I do believe Marks is hoping DRuss can be a low level star, but not necessarily immediately, he could wait. If he wants to make him a sure starter, he wouldn't have traded for Crab, who IMO Marks is hoping can be a low level star as well. With that trade and Kenny's competitive development, we can deduce that they want them to compete for the spots. Another question is, is DRuss most suitable as a PG? Consensus is that he's not, if he isn't, it's gonna take a long time for him to possibly transform, why still start him at the 1 if it's not a must? Evaluating him for the next contract while playing out of position doesn't sound like such a great idea. OTHO, if he does have a great contract year, wouldn't it be suspicious? Like a Batum? While we're talkin' 'bout star, if Lin comes back healthy and averages 18/8 on high FG% with good D like he's capable of, he could be a global superstar...... I'm not sure wins isn't a #1 priority, with the capspace for two max guys opening up, I suppose they would try to win games at the beginning and only tank if it isn't going well towards the end of the season.

If he's fully healthy, I'm not sure his age would be a problem as DMC has been starting for the entire year.

The big difference between Lin and DMC is that Lin occupies a position of abundance at the guard spot while DMC occupies a position of need at the 3 and small ball 4 spot. While we need more talent at all spots, wing/forward position is the highest priority. If Lin was a forward I think the Nets would be more inclined to keep and prioritize him but since he's one of so many players who can be placed at the 1 (and the other guards really need playing time for development), the numbers alone simply bear out that his playing time, let alone starting, is not as necessary as it was when he signed two seasons ago.

Not necessarily, LVJ can definitely play some kinda point forward, Crab is tiny bit undersized at the 3 but he could certainly start there.

I don't see it as an issue of him vs DRuss. I do believe Marks is hoping DRuss can be a low level star, but not necessarily immediately, he could wait.

1. I agree...it's not Lin vs DLo.

It's Lin vs DLo vs Dinwiddie vs LeVert vs Whitehead vs Musa. Whitehead may not be in the picture for much longer but even if we don't include him that puts Lin against 4 other guys who can play the 1 who we don't have imagine being healthy because we already know they are.

Musa......that's a stretch...... DVD plays the 1 sure, but again I don't think DRuss suits playing the 1 that well, LVJ can play 2/3. Unfortunately, DRuss and LVJ do have some lingering health issues themselves.

2. DLo is up for a contract extension. This is the biggest year of his career and it's a big year to see if the Nets should retain him and give him a new contract or trade him. He's going to need a high allotment of minutes because the Nets are going to want to do their due diligence in evaluating him. Getting DLo to play at his best is a much higher priority for the Nets than fixing Lin as the starter simply because the former has massive financial and logistical implications for the 2019 free agency and beyond.

I don't think he would get an extension, to retain cap space. More likely is RFA, then it depends on whether the best FAs would come. They might give him a contract, hopefully very team friendly; might renounce him, like Randle, if the FAs would come; he might get an offer sheet, hopefully very team friendly and we match; or if no one gives him an offer sheet, take the QO. Either way, what you said is surely one option, maybe the most common one, but it's not without downside or risk. Having him play at the 1 is unlikely to have him play at his best. He likely plays better as a combo guard/sixth man, at least in terms of advanced stats and D. It could scare off potential suitors and we could sign him at a lower price. We are not sure whether he is worth 20mil but we are quite sure that he does have talents, with enough patience and Kenny, should blossom in due time. If they want him to take the QO, we'd have another year of evaluation.

If he wants to make him a sure starter, he wouldn't have traded for Crab, who IMO Marks is hoping can be a low level star as well. With that trade and Kenny's competitive development, we can deduce that they want them to compete for the spots.

I don't know if Marks traded for Crabbe because he believed he could become a low level star, but I don't think it matters because it looks like they've been trying to target 2019 and 2020 free agency as the years where they make a push to sign or trade for stars. Like the other veterans on the team, Crabbe could simply be a stopgap player until we find the player who we want to take over the 2 or 3 spot for the next 10+ seasons.

Well, DRuss could be in the same boat. And it's no sure thing that stars would come. But we know that Marks likes him enough to have acquired him twice.

Another question is, is DRuss most suitable as a PG? Consensus is that he's not, if he isn't, it's gonna take a long time for him to possibly transform, why still start him at the 1 if it's not a must? Evaluating him for the next contract while playing out of position doesn't sound like such a great idea. OTHO, if he does have a great contract year, wouldn't it be suspicious? Like a Batum?

I think the Nets knew he was a combo guard when they traded for him. The Nets aren't as worried about numerical positions as they are about identifying players as guards, wings, forwards. When executed correctly the offense should be reminiscent of GSW in the sense that anyone is capable of bringing up the ball and initiating the offense, whether it's Lin, DLo, RHJ, or even Allen. Having a 1 isn't as important as having a good guard.

Yeah, that's one way to look at it, but we do know that IT is a 1, ABrad is a 2; Kyrie/Rozie is a 1, Brown is a 2; Curry is a 1, Klay is a 2; DVD is a 1, Crab is a 2 etc. Kenny in a recent interview talked about how important the PG is to him:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1717945

There was recently a discussion about him on this board, it's pretty much agreed that he's a 2 instead of a 1. The Lakers experimented putting him as a 1 but later on decided he's better at the 2.

I don't find the Batum comparison relevant . DLo being great this year is a sign that he's finally putting it together, not a sign of him being fool's gold. He's had 3 seasons to actually look good and has failed to impress. He sees his friends like Booker getting a 5yr/$150+mil extension and I'm sure he wants the same. The difference between him and Booker is that Booker has improved his PPG, APG, RPG, & 3P% every season in the league while DLo has stagnated. I don't think DLo has an on switch that he has been too lazy to turn on. I think he just wasn't that good. If he had that kind of switch, he would've really balled out last year so he'd ensure he'd get a max extension now. Instead he has to prove to the Nets that he's not only worth an extension but that they should actually keep him and not trade him for cap space and pick(s).

Agreed. I was just talking about the risk taken from the team's standpoint: "lets see what he can do in his contract year, hope he does well, pay him", well, Batum bombed afterwards, lets hope it won't happen here.

While we're talkin' 'bout star, if Lin comes back healthy and averages 18/8 on high FG% with good D like he's capable of, he could be a global superstar......

18/8 aren't global superstar numbers. He'd have to average 25/8 in order to do that.

Well, lets just say his case is a little unusual. It'd be a huge story. By global I was talking about popularity and maybe money, there ARE a lot of people in Asia. Well, he unleashes Linsanity 2.0 and get 25/8 that'd be even bigger! (not impossible)

The thing is that the Nets already gave Lin 2 seasons to prove himself and unfortunately he was injured. Again, the goal needs to be proving that he can be healthy for an entire season. He's almost undoubtedly going to be on a minutes restriction for a long time, so the chances that he would even be able to accumulate star level stats are slim to none.

Ya, real unfortunate. Chances are small; but who knows with advancing science? Roberson had the same injury three months later than Lin and he's talking about possibly being fully healthy for the start of the season.

I'm not sure wins isn't a #1 priority, with the capspace for two max guys opening up, I suppose they would try to win games at the beginning and only tank if it isn't going well towards the end of the season.

If getting as high of a playoff seed as possible was the goal, the Nets would have been much more aggressive and tried to sign better players to positions of need. Instead we're letting players like Kyle O'Quinn's sign 1-yr deals with playoff teams despite the fact that we could use an infusion of capable big men.

The writing is on the wall....

Not sure. Maybe Marks is seriously working on another salary dump trade that might or might not work out? KOQ will be THE backup center there with the Pacers, don't think he wants to come here to be third string. I dunno, I think our big men rotation is pretty good with the addition of Ed Davis, he could play almost all of the backup 5 minutes and maybe occasionally the backup 4. The guy was one of the most important players in the no.3 seed in the West, aint' bad. Jar will start, hopefully can play almost 30 good mins. RHJ starts at the 4, with DMC and Acy playing backups. (Acy occasional stretch 5) Dante is still out there, Jah maybe? Rodi might play some later on? We're pretty good in the perimeter barring major injuries. Fingers crossed.

[ChokeFasncists]

Are the nets tanking or trying to win. Maybe at the start of the season they will try to win. Screw Lin slowly building up, I am with VV on this. He is out of time its now or never. Better to push Lin hard the start of season and if it doesn't work, it's a bust. Then maybe Lin will quit on his own go be a pastor in tawain.

Na, he's not that old. Priority is getting healthy. He should do whatever the performance team/doctors prescribe.

[ChokeFasncists]

Russell isn't perfect but still remains the most talented player on the team.
You think Lin could start because is a better player, but he's not and this don't matter anyway, because this isn't a win now team. But on this board this seems hard to understand. 10 users explained this simple concept many times, but you don't want to understand, because you're a Lin's groupie.

You're using faulty group think logic again. Just because 10 users believe in something doesn't mean it is the absolute truth. I don't understand this one must 100% believe in an omnipotent, omniscient creator god, if one has a bit of doubt one is of the devil kinda thing. The pigeonholing doesn't help as well obviously. OTOH, not all "users" hold this belief. With the capspace in 2019 opening up, many here believe that this team should win as many games as possible to attract the best free agents, and I wouldn't characterize all of them as part of the "groupie".

Russell isn't just not perfect, just look here:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1725770

He is very talented but his production is very bad. Unless Kenny is a magician, with this kinda player usually it's best to not spoil them. Take it slow and make sure they do things better, one step at a time. Before he played, of course, the optimism/excitement was understandable, but after a year, we know what we have there. There is a reason Marks traded for Crab, who plays the same position as DRuss, then they refused to name who the starting SG was and called for competitive development. DRuss did start at the beginning of the season but it certainly wasn't a sure thing and we would never know what would happen if Crab and LVJ weren't injured during preseason. After his injury, he came off the bench for a while, during that time, RHJ was injured, as well as Acy and LVJ, DVD's FG% dropped from 40 in the previous month to 35. What if none of those injuries happened, DVD was upping his game and team was doing well? What if Lin was playing well at the time and team rolling? We just don't know, but throughout all this, it was clear that Markinson do like DMC at the 3 and Crab at the 2 and DRuss is unfortunately not naturally a 1.

Again, it's not a sure thing that this team is not a win now team since Moz's contract is gone. Marks has opened up two max slots and winning would be attractive to prospective stars.

Stop trying to force the "DVD" nickname. Nobody uses it besides you, and nobody knows what the **** it means. It doesnt even make sense.

There is nothing on this board you do that doesn't make me think you're 100% a troll. I just cant believe you actually have the time to keep up the act this long. But I know that nobody can actually be this dumb, so to me thats confirmation that you're a troll.

~lol~ How about......no.

Funny how I've been using that nickname soon after he was signed, after you lost a couple of arguments and with this controversy I'm trolling. Everyone seems to immediately recognize it cuz it's obviously a shorthand for his name. I prefer this cuz it preserves the contour of his name. W, VV and V used to be basically the same thing.

OTOH, if your definition of a troll is someone like a dissident, someone with a unusual point of view or potentially revolutionary idea, that'd be me. I mean, guys like Washington, Gandhi, MLK, Voltaire, Galileo, Newton, Socrates etc were basically trolls during their time.

Can we just ban any lin fan who says ridiculous **** like "Lin can can be a global superstar" in 2018. Jesus Christ.

Who knows? Linsanity was some pretty ridiculous ****.

BTW, by global I mean in terms of popularity and maybe money. More than half of the world's population is in Asia.

[ChokeFasncists]

Are the nets tanking or trying to win. Maybe at the start of the season they will try to win. Screw Lin slowly building up, I am with VV on this. He is out of time its now or never. Better to push Lin hard the start of season and if it doesn't work, it's a bust. Then maybe Lin will quit on his own go be a pastor in tawain.

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Dude...why would you want to treat Lin in this manner? That statement is honestly one of the most disgusting things I've read on this forum.

I don't understand his fans. A lot of you guys set some ridiculous expectations on this guy. He's coming off of a catastrophic injury, he absolutely should not be "pushed hard" without making sure that he's able to take on the workload.

This is the same type of stuff we saw when Lin was being brought back slowly from his hamstring injury. You guys wanted him rushed back out there and were wringing your hands collectively about the Nets training staff taking things slow.

What this really shows me is that the Nets care more about Jeremy Lin's well being than his own fanbase does. All you care about is Lin meeting your ridiculous expectations and if he doesn't, you're prepared to throw him in the trash.

We need to stop painting with broad brush strokes. There's a lot of confusion and sloppy misinterpretation going on that isn't helping anyone.

- VV said that he thinks it's in Lin's nature to play one way -- which is hard. He didn't say that he himself is pushing Lin to play hard.
- linisok, misinterpreting VV, agreed that Lin should be pushed to play hard.
- sprost and Choke believe that if Lin is 100% healthy, he will start (NOT that he WILL be 100% healthy, but IF he is). I think this is an optimistic argument since it's likely that he won't be 100% healthy, at least to pre-injury form.

- MDB, now thinks that there's at least 4 Lin fans who want Lin to be pushed hard, when there's only been ONE flippant comment from linisok.

Let's all keep calm and carry on.

I dunno what sprost believe in, but that's not what I was saying. I was saying if he's fully healthy, it might make sense for him to start, it doesn't mean he will or that it doesn't make sense for him not to start.

[ChokeFasncists]

Russell isn't perfect but still remains the most talented player on the team.
You think Lin could start because is a better player, but he's not and this don't matter anyway, because this isn't a win now team. But on this board this seems hard to understand. 10 users explained this simple concept many times, but you don't want to understand, because you're a Lin's groupie.

You're using faulty group think logic again. Just because 10 users believe in something doesn't mean it is the absolute truth. I don't understand this one must 100% believe in an omnipotent, omniscient creator god, if one has a bit of doubt one is of the devil kinda thing. The pigeonholing doesn't help as well obviously. OTOH, not all "users" hold this belief. With the capspace in 2019 opening up, many here believe that this team should win as many games as possible to attract the best free agents, and I wouldn't characterize all of them as part of the "groupie".

Russell isn't just not perfect, just look here:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1725770

He is very talented but his production is very bad. Unless Kenny is a magician, with this kinda player usually it's best to not spoil them. Take it slow and make sure they do things better, one step at a time. Before he played, of course, the optimism/excitement was understandable, but after a year, we know what we have there. There is a reason Marks traded for Crab, who plays the same position as DRuss, then they refused to name who the starting SG was and called for competitive development. DRuss did start at the beginning of the season but it certainly wasn't a sure thing and we would never know what would happen if Crab and LVJ weren't injured during preseason. After his injury, he came off the bench for a while, during that time, RHJ was injured, as well as Acy and LVJ, DVD's FG% dropped from 40 in the previous month to 35. What if none of those injuries happened, DVD was upping his game and team was doing well? What if Lin was playing well at the time and team rolling? We just don't know, but throughout all this, it was clear that Markinson do like DMC at the 3 and Crab at the 2 and DRuss is unfortunately not naturally a 1.

Again, it's not a sure thing that this team is not a win now team since Moz's contract is gone. Marks has opened up two max slots and winning would be attractive to prospective stars.

I already said that Russell isn't a perfect player, but he's 22 years old and remains the most talented player on the team.
In the Markinson's basketball there aren't positions: there are ball handlers, wings/shooters and bigs. Russell is a ball handler, Crabbe is a 3&D player.
No all stars are coming to the Nets soon. Marks trades Mozgov's contract because dump a 2 year contract for a 1 year contract was a cheap opportunity, and preserve flexibility can generate other many opportunities.
Marks can't sacrifice development of your young guys because there are 1% chances that Butler and Irving come here next year as a free agent.

There will be plenty of good FAs next summer, not just those two. I'm not sure starting DRuss out of position at the 1 is most beneficial to his development.

And even if there are chances to those guys can come here, a 30 years old and injured journeyman don't count nothing in this. Lin don't bring wins even if he's healthy. There are hundreds players like Lin in the league. Lin don't count nothing for this team, now or in the future and I hope we trade him ASAP.

Sounds like you're underrating him.

I don't understand because I had a warning. I said Lin's groupie not in a offensive way. How should I call a user who write stuff like this? A user who said that an injured 30 years old journeyman is a core of the team?
It's impossibile to have a discussion about the team, all threads are dirtied with Lin's nonsense stuff. There's a Lin's thread, but we must talk about Lin in the offseason threads, free agency threads, predictions wins thread, summer league thread, Russell thread. This board seems like Brooklyn Lin by now.

I never said he's a core of the team. I dunno, I'm not seeing that problem at the moment. What happened just now here was that someone proposed a hypothetical question, I answered it with my opinion and you...lets just say overreacted...

[ChokeFasncists]

Choke,

Lin was healthy when he signed with us and then missed the overwhelming majority of the season.
Lin was supposedly healthy last year and missed all but one game.

Put aside the whole idea of who's more talented and let's simply focus on health. The best ability is availability and Lin has suffered not one, but two, devastating injuries and the last one typically severely hampers one's playing ability. Based on this alone, I highly doubt the Nets would go into the season believing that he should be the starter. They need to worry about getting him healthy and keeping him healthy well before any discussions of him possibly starting are brought up.

Now, if you factor in his age compared to the other guards, his talent vs DLo's (who Marks is probably hoping can be a low level star, otherwise he wouldn't have traded for him), and that Marks is still in talent acquisition mode and not putting wins as the #1 priority, I don't see any circumstance where it makes sense for Lin to start. It would be a success simply seeing him playing limited minutes for an entire season, since he hasn't even been able to do that while a Net.

Hey, thx for the replies! Sure, if he's not healthy, he won't play, if he's not 100% he'll play limited minutes. Thing is, we've been operating under the hypothetical question of "what if he's healthy?" as proposed by OP, I don't think time was part of the question either, it could be any point of the season I think. There's indeed not much to talk about in terms of his health, one can only hope/pray he comes back strong. It's good tho that it has been progressing well, there's no setback and he's been doing rigorous kinesiology. The guy is super stubborn and he said he's aiming to start until something changes. If they might not start him if healthy they'd gotta have some discussion about it.

If he's fully healthy, I'm not sure his age would be a problem as DMC has been starting for the entire year. I don't see it as an issue of him vs DRuss. I do believe Marks is hoping DRuss can be a low level star, but not necessarily immediately, he could wait. If he wants to make him a sure starter, he wouldn't have traded for Crab, who IMO Marks is hoping can be a low level star as well. With that trade and Kenny's competitive development, we can deduce that they want them to compete for the spots. Another question is, is DRuss most suitable as a PG? Consensus is that he's not, if he isn't, it's gonna take a long time for him to possibly transform, why still start him at the 1 if it's not a must? Evaluating him for the next contract while playing out of position doesn't sound like such a great idea. OTHO, if he does have a great contract year, wouldn't it be suspicious? Like a Batum? While we're talkin' 'bout star, if Lin comes back healthy and averages 18/8 on high FG% with good D like he's capable of, he could be a global superstar...... I'm not sure wins isn't a #1 priority, with the capspace for two max guys opening up, I suppose they would try to win games at the beginning and only tank if it isn't going well towards the end of the season.

Lin is coming off a torn achilles and he is turning 30 next month. Would it be ridiculous if proven healthy that he stays on with the Nets next season on a smaller contract (especially since Dinwiddie may get bigger offers elsewhere)? No. But he is not even remotely at the center of the Nets plans right now.

Ya, probably not, but hey, if he's healthy and plays very well, things could change rapidly. BTW, it's the patella tendon. Roberson had the same injury, 3 months later and he's talking about hoping to be fully healthy by the beginning of the season. Progress in medicine?

[ChokeFasncists]

I don't want to start a discussion on past teams or fanbases. But I will say that the Charlotte and Brooklyn fan bases have largely been fantastic. Mostly fair and civil and respectful of new fans.

Agreed, great mods, would love it if they post more.

Mr. E at Rockets RealGM was excellent as well.

Came in here to surf around because I wasn't very familiar with Brooklyn's cap position and wanted to assess if they were any threat to try to poach Clint Capela.

Ok, that's fine.

Left thinking, thank god we got rid of Jeremy Lin. Yall dont know the half of it. I couldnt go within 600 feet of a Rockets board for two years.

But the Nets board isn't the place for you to talk about your grievances with the Rockets board and fans of Lin. Any more of this will be considered derailing.

LOL. Wow, it must be one heck of an issue for this to be necessary

Not really.

[Ror1997]

You're using faulty group think logic again. Just because 10 users believe in something doesn't mean it is the absolute truth. I don't understand this one must 100% believe in an omnipotent, omniscient creator god, if one has a bit of doubt one is of the devil kinda thing. The pigeonholing doesn't help as well obviously. OTOH, not all "users" hold this belief. With the capspace in 2019 opening up, many here believe that this team should win as many games as possible to attract the best free agents, and I wouldn't characterize all of them as part of the "groupie".

Russell isn't just not perfect, just look here:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1725770

He is very talented but his production is very bad. Unless Kenny is a magician, with this kinda player usually it's best to not spoil them. Take it slow and make sure they do things better, one step at a time. Before he played, of course, the optimism/excitement was understandable, but after a year, we know what we have there. There is a reason Marks traded for Crab, who plays the same position as DRuss, then they refused to name who the starting SG was and called for competitive development. DRuss did start at the beginning of the season but it certainly wasn't a sure thing and we would never know what would happen if Crab and LVJ weren't injured during preseason. After his injury, he came off the bench for a while, during that time, RHJ was injured, as well as Acy and LVJ, DVD's FG% dropped from 40 in the previous month to 35. What if none of those injuries happened, DVD was upping his game and team was doing well? What if Lin was playing well at the time and team rolling? We just don't know, but throughout all this, it was clear that Markinson do like DMC at the 3 and Crab at the 2 and DRuss is unfortunately not naturally a 1.

Again, it's not a sure thing that this team is not a win now team since Moz's contract is gone. Marks has opened up two max slots and winning would be attractive to prospective stars.

Stop trying to force the "DVD" nickname. Nobody uses it besides you, and nobody knows what the **** it means. It doesnt even make sense.

There is nothing on this board you do that doesn't make me think you're 100% a troll. I just cant believe you actually have the time to keep up the act this long. But I know that nobody can actually be this dumb, so to me thats confirmation that you're a troll.

~lol~ How about......no.

Funny how I've been using that nickname soon after he was signed, after you lost a couple of arguments and with this controversy I'm trolling. Everyone seems to immediately recognize it cuz it's obviously a shorthand for his name. I prefer this cuz it preserves the contour of his name. W, VV and V used to be basically the same thing.

OTOH, if your definition of a troll is someone like a dissident, someone with a unusual point of view or potentially revolutionary idea, that'd be me. I mean, guys like Washington, Gandhi, MLK, Voltaire, Galileo, Newton, Socrates etc were basically trolls during their time.

Can we just ban any lin fan who says ridiculous **** like "Lin can can be a global superstar" in 2018. Jesus Christ.

Who knows? Linsanity was some pretty ridiculous ****.

BTW, by global I mean in terms of popularity and maybe money. More than half of the world's population is in Asia.

Make like your name a choke on a dick. Enjoy raging over Trae Young getting more touches then Lin. Don't let the door hit ya on your way out.

Comparing yourself to Gandhi and MLK. **** troll. Get a life. Either your whole life revolves around trolling or it revolves around a bench player in the NBA. I truly dont know what's more pathetic. I just know i pity you.


Seriously. **** you and all the Lin fans.


You're 100% right. Thank you for finally saying what everyone here was thinking. GOOD RIDDANCE

- NyCe

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You're using faulty group think logic again. Just because 10 users believe in something doesn't mean it is the absolute truth. I don't understand this one must 100% believe in an omnipotent, omniscient creator god, if one has a bit of doubt one is of the devil kinda thing. The pigeonholing doesn't help as well obviously. OTOH, not all "users" hold this belief. With the capspace in 2019 opening up, many here believe that this team should win as many games as possible to attract the best free agents, and I wouldn't characterize all of them as part of the "groupie".

Russell isn't just not perfect, just look here:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1725770

He is very talented but his production is very bad. Unless Kenny is a magician, with this kinda player usually it's best to not spoil them. Take it slow and make sure they do things better, one step at a time. Before he played, of course, the optimism/excitement was understandable, but after a year, we know what we have there. There is a reason Marks traded for Crab, who plays the same position as DRuss, then they refused to name who the starting SG was and called for competitive development. DRuss did start at the beginning of the season but it certainly wasn't a sure thing and we would never know what would happen if Crab and LVJ weren't injured during preseason. After his injury, he came off the bench for a while, during that time, RHJ was injured, as well as Acy and LVJ, DVD's FG% dropped from 40 in the previous month to 35. What if none of those injuries happened, DVD was upping his game and team was doing well? What if Lin was playing well at the time and team rolling? We just don't know, but throughout all this, it was clear that Markinson do like DMC at the 3 and Crab at the 2 and DRuss is unfortunately not naturally a 1.

Again, it's not a sure thing that this team is not a win now team since Moz's contract is gone. Marks has opened up two max slots and winning would be attractive to prospective stars.

I already said that Russell isn't a perfect player, but he's 22 years old and remains the most talented player on the team.
In the Markinson's basketball there aren't positions: there are ball handlers, wings/shooters and bigs. Russell is a ball handler, Crabbe is a 3&D player.
No all stars are coming to the Nets soon. Marks trades Mozgov's contract because dump a 2 year contract for a 1 year contract was a cheap opportunity, and preserve flexibility can generate other many opportunities.
Marks can't sacrifice development of your young guys because there are 1% chances that Butler and Irving come here next year as a free agent.

There will be plenty of good FAs next summer, not just those two. I'm not sure starting DRuss out of position at the 1 is most beneficial to his development.

And even if there are chances to those guys can come here, a 30 years old and injured journeyman don't count nothing in this. Lin don't bring wins even if he's healthy. There are hundreds players like Lin in the league. Lin don't count nothing for this team, now or in the future and I hope we trade him ASAP.

Sounds like you're underrating him.

I don't understand because I had a warning. I said Lin's groupie not in a offensive way. How should I call a user who write stuff like this? A user who said that an injured 30 years old journeyman is a core of the team?
It's impossibile to have a discussion about the team, all threads are dirtied with Lin's nonsense stuff. There's a Lin's thread, but we must talk about Lin in the offseason threads, free agency threads, predictions wins thread, summer league thread, Russell thread. This board seems like Brooklyn Lin by now.

I never said he's a core of the team. I dunno, I'm not seeing that problem at the moment. What happened just now here was that someone proposed a hypothetical question, I answered it with my opinion and you...lets just say overreacted...

Yeah yeah, Lin will start

[MrDollarBills]

life comes at you fast.

[ChokeFasncists]

I already said that Russell isn't a perfect player, but he's 22 years old and remains the most talented player on the team.
In the Markinson's basketball there aren't positions: there are ball handlers, wings/shooters and bigs. Russell is a ball handler, Crabbe is a 3&D player.
No all stars are coming to the Nets soon. Marks trades Mozgov's contract because dump a 2 year contract for a 1 year contract was a cheap opportunity, and preserve flexibility can generate other many opportunities.
Marks can't sacrifice development of your young guys because there are 1% chances that Butler and Irving come here next year as a free agent.

There will be plenty of good FAs next summer, not just those two. I'm not sure starting DRuss out of position at the 1 is most beneficial to his development.

And even if there are chances to those guys can come here, a 30 years old and injured journeyman don't count nothing in this. Lin don't bring wins even if he's healthy. There are hundreds players like Lin in the league. Lin don't count nothing for this team, now or in the future and I hope we trade him ASAP.

Sounds like you're underrating him.

I don't understand because I had a warning. I said Lin's groupie not in a offensive way. How should I call a user who write stuff like this? A user who said that an injured 30 years old journeyman is a core of the team?
It's impossibile to have a discussion about the team, all threads are dirtied with Lin's nonsense stuff. There's a Lin's thread, but we must talk about Lin in the offseason threads, free agency threads, predictions wins thread, summer league thread, Russell thread. This board seems like Brooklyn Lin by now.

I never said he's a core of the team. I dunno, I'm not seeing that problem at the moment. What happened just now here was that someone proposed a hypothetical question, I answered it with my opinion and you...lets just say overreacted...

Yeah yeah, Lin will start

Hey, the Hawks want him, what can I do?
C'est la vie. (it might be a sign of the will to tank?)

It's definitely possible he'll start if he's healthy.

So long everyone. There's been some fun debates.