Let's Make a Deal: Thunder Trade Targets

Pillendreher · Post #2781 » by **Pillendreher** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:57 pm

Mick75 wrote:I really hate every scenario in which we lose Adams. Yes, I probably have a man crush for him.

Especially if he gets traded for a vastly inferior player with the same amount of salary and who has a history of being a malcontent.

Post #2782 » by **slick_watts** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:05 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
Mick75 wrote:I really hate every scenario in which we lose Adams. Yes, I probably have a man crush for him.

Especially if he gets traded for a vastly inferior player with the same amount of salary and who has a history of being a malcontent.

one less year. and i dunno about vastly inferior.

clearing melo comes with a high cost.

Pillendreher · Post #2783 » by **Pillendreher** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:06 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Mick75 wrote:I really hate every scenario in which we lose Adams. Yes, I probably have a man crush for him.

Especially if he gets traded for a vastly inferior player with the same amount of salary and who has a history of being a malcontent.

one less year. and i dunno about vastly inferior.

clearing melo comes with a high cost.

If the cost is that, you stretch him.

Post #2784 » by **slick_watts** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:10 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Especially if he gets traded for a vastly inferior player with the same amount of salary and who has a history of being a malcontent.

one less year. and i dunno about vastly inferior.

clearing melo comes with a high cost.

If the cost is that, you stretch him.

look how much flexibility we gain in capulator after that trade.

Pillendreher · Post #2785 » by **Pillendreher** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:32 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
one less year. and i dunno about vastly inferior.

clearing melo comes with a high cost.

If the cost is that, you stretch him.

look how much flexibility we gain in capulator after that trade.

They're saving money, sure, but they're getting (way) worse in the process. The one interesting thing about that would be the TPE it would create.

oreojenkins · Post #2786 » by **oreojenkins** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:05 pm

Whiteside is a massive downgrade from Adams, come on now. That's not even taking into account his cancerous attitude.

Balkman32 · Post #2787 » by **Balkman32** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:46 pm

slick_watts wrote:i was playing around with something. this trade works if chicago gets 20m in cap space:

adams and felicio to miami
anthony to chicago
whiteside and macgruder to okc

clear's melo's salary almost entirely. at the cost of an adams / whiteside swap.

sort of goofy, but there's a lot of things you can play around with this structure.

The day Presti trades Adams for Whiteside is the day I won’t be a Thunder fan.

Presti isn’t trading Adams for Whiteside

Balkman32 · Post #2788 » by **Balkman32** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:49 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
one less year. and i dunno about vastly inferior.

clearing melo comes with a high cost.

If the cost is that, you stretch him.

look how much flexibility we gain in capulator after that trade.

Down to the capulator?? Adams is the new Mr. Thunder. He plays the right way and he is young. They only way you deal him is for an all-star wing. Only way. We are trying to contend with the Warriors not the best hbo nba hard knocks series

Post #2789 » by **slick_watts** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:59 pm

oreojenkins wrote:Whiteside is a massive downgrade from Adams, come on now. That's not even taking into account his cancerous attitude.

i don't see the massive downgrade. can someone explain this to me? definitely a downgrade. but massive?

thedoppelganger · Post #2790 » by **thedoppelganger** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:10 pm

Read on Twitter

Even if Milwaukee matches this will tie Chicago up for a few days

Post #2791 » by **Dadouv47** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:34 pm

slick_watts wrote:
oreojenkins wrote:Whiteside is a massive downgrade from Adams, come on now. That's not even taking into account his cancerous attitude.

i don't see the massive downgrade. can someone explain this to me? definitely a downgrade. but massive?

Did you watch whiteside against the sixers in the playoffs?

Post #2792 » by **retrobro90** » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:06 pm

Woj on SC saying OKC's chances of finding a trade now are slim. Expected to waive and stretch.

kdthunderup · Post #2793 » by **kdthunderup** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:00 am

Disappointing to hear, would of been to nice to bring in another useful piece but it was always a bit of a stretch. Focus needs to turn to developing from within. It will take a lot of praying but Grant needs to take another leap this season, hopefully developing a consistent 3 point shot. Either one of Ferguson or Diallo also need to develop into a solid 3&D threat, they will be net negative players for 1-2 seasons but they need to get some burn to become useful down the line.

Balkman32 · Post #2794 » by **Balkman32** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:49 am

I am not too worried about what they get. I am just surprised teams are not taking advantage of an expiring contract for a big summer next year.

Post #2795 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:13 am

Balkman32 wrote:I am not too worried about what they get. I am just surprised teams are not taking advantage of an expiring contract for a big summer next year.

The teams that have cap space aren’t going to be in contention for free agents next year. Klay Thompson isn’t going to the bulls and jimmy butler isn’t going to the kings.

oreojenkins · Post #2796 » by **oreojenkins** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:15 am

slick_watts wrote:
oreojenkins wrote:Whiteside is a massive downgrade from Adams, come on now. That's not even taking into account his cancerous attitude.

i don't see the massive downgrade. can someone explain this to me? definitely a downgrade. but massive?

If you watch Whiteside and can't tell he's A) clueless on D and B) an awful team player, I don't know what to tell you... He's in an environment to put up video game stats with blocks, rebounds, and points, but they're just empty numbers. Adams is in pretty much a polar opposite spot with Westbrook hogging defensive rebounds (no judgment on whether that's + or - for the team) and playing more positional defense as opposed to chasing blocks like Whiteside.

While being 4 years younger and also not an **** who was routinely benched throughout the course of the season...

Adams 3.3 BPM 3.3 VORP 1.4 RPM 2.0 +/- on 538 carrying a value of $25.8 million
Whiteside 0.2 BPM 0.8 VORP 0.5 RPM 0.4 +/- on 538 carrying a value of $7.2 million

It's the difference between a near All-Star and a decent/good backup big. The gap between Steven Adams and Anthony Davis by these metrics is comparable to that between Steven Adams and Hassan Whiteside. Is Anthony Davis not a massive upgrade over Steven Adams?

I'm guessing your argument is "but win shares." It's not like you to champion an obvious loser like Whiteside, but on the other hand, it's on brand to drag one of our own guys through the mud. I'm sure you know all of what I just posted and are just semi-trolling, but I wanted to go to bat for Steve.

oreojenkins · Post #2797 » by **oreojenkins** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:16 am

Also, damn you Bulls and Jabari for extinguishing our trade hopes.

spearsy23 · Post #2798 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:20 am

The bulls were never taking on 20 million in dead salary. That would've been completely against their recent MO.

Post #2799 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:25 am

oreojenkins wrote:I'm guessing your argument is "but win shares." It's not like you to champion an obvious loser like Whiteside, but on the other hand, it's on brand to drag one of our own guys through the mud. I'm sure you know all of what I just posted and are just semi-trolling, but I wanted to go to bat for Steve.

my argument would be more that this was a down year in a situation he wasn't happy with. like paul george in indiana.

whiteside is an interesting statistical outlier to me and always has been. sort of like kanter but he produces defensive #'s and drpm has always liked him. i think at his best he's reasonably close to steve, but adams is better.

don't be a stranger, oreo

spearsy23 · Post #2800 » by **spearsy23** » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:31 am

slick_watts wrote:
oreojenkins wrote:I'm guessing your argument is "but win shares." It's not like you to champion an obvious loser like Whiteside, but on the other hand, it's on brand to drag one of our own guys through the mud. I'm sure you know all of what I just posted and are just semi-trolling, but I wanted to go to bat for Steve.

my argument would be more that this was a down year in a situation he wasn't happy with. like paul george in indiana.

whiteside is an interesting statistical outlier to me and always has been. sort of like kanter but he produces defensive #'s and drpm has always liked him. i think at his best he's reasonably close to steve, but adams is better.

don't be a stranger, oreo

He's been all over the map for the years he's been getting significant playing time, there's nothing to really determine what's a statistical outlier. I think we'd be fine with him, but I wouldn't swap him and Adams without Richardson coming back too. Also, Adams definitely fits our defensive scheme better.