Kings Off-Season

[becorz]

Now we're back in on Jabari Parker! There is no way he signs Kings offer over Bulls. Even if we offer more money he'll pick Bulls. He's from Chicago. If by the slimmest chance he signed the Kings offer the Bucks will likely match.

Again, Smart is more obtainable and cheaper.

I'm just happy to hear Vlade and company haven't started their summer vacation.

Where did you find this info?

Read on Twitter

He's a local reporter for the Bucks. Don't know how solid he is, though I have heard of him before.

[LightTheBeam]

Parker has now signed with the Bulls 2 years 40 million 2nd year team option. The Bulls now have 40 million tied up to non defensive score first guys with ACL issues. Glad we got neither of those guys.

Still holding out hope for Nwaba or Smart!

[kalenclayton]

Parker has now signed with the Bulls 2 years 40 million 2nd year team option. The Bulls now have 40 million tied up to non defensive score first guys with ACL issues. Glad we got neither of those guys.

Still holding out hope for Nwaba or Smart!

Smart makes so much sense for this team. It needs to happen. Doing a S&T of Mason and Skal for Smart ($50/4) makes sense for both teams.

[LightTheBeam]

Parker has now signed with the Bulls 2 years 40 million 2nd year team option. The Bulls now have 40 million tied up to non defensive score first guys with ACL issues. Glad we got neither of those guys.

Still holding out hope for Nwaba or Smart!

Smart makes so much sense for this team. It needs to happen. Doing a S&T of Mason and Skal for Smart ($50/4) makes sense for both teams.

I don't think we need to offer that.

Personally Id rather offer them Temple. Expiring contract and can kind of fill that Smart role for them. Id offer him that 4/50 and then if they match turn my attention to Nwaba. I think they are pretty similar, Nwaba is longer, Smart is the better playmaker.

[kalenclayton]

Parker has now signed with the Bulls 2 years 40 million 2nd year team option. The Bulls now have 40 million tied up to non defensive score first guys with ACL issues. Glad we got neither of those guys.

Still holding out hope for Nwaba or Smart!

Smart makes so much sense for this team. It needs to happen. Doing a S&T of Mason and Skal for Smart ($50/4) makes sense for both teams.

I don't think we need to offer that.

Personally Id rather offer them Temple. Expiring contract and can kind of fill that Smart role for them. Id offer him that 4/50 and then if they match turn my attention to Nwaba. I think they are pretty similar, Nwaba is longer, Smart is the better playmaker.

Nwaba has a 7’0 wingspan and Smart has a 6’9” wingspan. Both are the same height, so you are right that Nwaba is longer. I’ll give you that. That is all he has on him though. Smart is an elite defender. He also brings a fierceness that you don’t see an many players. He brings winning experience and would be able to affect the development of our guys in a way Nwaba can’t. They just aren’t on the same playing field. I think we should reasonably do whatever we can to get Smart on our roster. Sending Temple and Skal, Mason and Skal, or Mason and Temple would all work. To get Smart on a reasonable contract ($50 Million) would be ideal and I think that it’s worth parting ways with a couple assets. I’d rather do that than overpay Smart or target Nwaba. Nwaba isn’t a game changer.

[City of Trees]

What's funny is the Bighorns owned Nwaba's rights in 2016 but traded him to LA.

Strike one Kings.


Nwaba grew up in LA a huge Lakers fan. Loved Kobe and Shaq.

Strike two Kings.


Offering a similar contract as other teams in FA will be strike three.

[KF10]

Since when Nwaba is a hot commodity now? He has no NBA 3 PT range. He is an out-dated wing whose talents are slashing & in the arc scoring. We already saw that in DeMar DeRozan and he's nothing to brag about. If this Nwaba dude can play stellar defense and has legitimate intangibles, then maybe we should bring him in but I don't think he has those qualities.

[LightTheBeam]

Since when Nwaba is a hot commodity now? He has no NBA 3 PT range. He is an out-dated wing whose talents are slashing & in the arc scoring. We already saw that in DeMar DeRozan and he's nothing to brag about. If this Nwaba dude can play stellar defense and has legitimate intangibles, then maybe we should bring him in but I don't think he has those qualities.

Thats exactly what I think he brings.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

The Bulls last year had 2 plus defenders, Nwaba and Dunn. He possesses a 7' wing span and can guard 1-3. He makes plays happen with his length and has elite athleticism, he also strikes me as a smart player. I've watched a good amount of his videos and I think he would be great running the court with Bogdan/Fox.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not advocating giving the kid 4/40.. I think we should be looking at him around 3/18 or 2/14. Id rather see him get minutes than Temple or Shump and with all the cap space we project to have and being the limited free agent players we are, I don't think his 6-7 mil per year handicaps us.

[SacKingZZZ]

So I guess Vlade forced the Bulls to pay up on a short term deal. This makes more sense to go into the season under the cap. The Kings could be players at the deadline and have a intriguing rebuild package as long as they don't bury the young guys again.

[KF10]

Since when Nwaba is a hot commodity now? He has no NBA 3 PT range. He is an out-dated wing whose talents are slashing & in the arc scoring. We already saw that in DeMar DeRozan and he's nothing to brag about. If this Nwaba dude can play stellar defense and has legitimate intangibles, then maybe we should bring him in but I don't think he has those qualities.

Thats exactly what I think he brings.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

The Bulls last year had 2 plus defenders, Nwaba and Dunn. He possesses a 7' wing span and can guard 1-3. He makes plays happen with his length and has elite athleticism, he also strikes me as a smart player. I've watched a good amount of his videos and I think he would be great running the court with Bogdan/Fox.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not advocating giving the kid 4/40.. I think we should be looking at him around 3/18 or 2/14. Id rather see him get minutes than Temple or Shump and with all the cap space we project to have and being the limited free agent players we are, I don't think his 6-7 mil per year handicaps us.

Nwaba is not bad but he doesn't move the needle much. If at all. Unless he has some hidden potential, I don't see him as a starting player on a good team. I rather have Smart if the choice is between him and Nwaba tbh. Smart is actually younger than Nwaba believe or not. Better ball handler and creator (what the Kings need) and a better defender (what the Kings need).

[kalenclayton]

Since when Nwaba is a hot commodity now? He has no NBA 3 PT range. He is an out-dated wing whose talents are slashing & in the arc scoring. We already saw that in DeMar DeRozan and he's nothing to brag about. If this Nwaba dude can play stellar defense and has legitimate intangibles, then maybe we should bring him in but I don't think he has those qualities.

Thats exactly what I think he brings.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

The Bulls last year had 2 plus defenders, Nwaba and Dunn. He possesses a 7' wing span and can guard 1-3. He makes plays happen with his length and has elite athleticism, he also strikes me as a smart player. I've watched a good amount of his videos and I think he would be great running the court with Bogdan/Fox.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not advocating giving the kid 4/40.. I think we should be looking at him around 3/18 or 2/14. Id rather see him get minutes than Temple or Shump and with all the cap space we project to have and being the limited free agent players we are, I don't think his 6-7 mil per year handicaps us.

I looked at his stats and I don’t see it. Where is the stellar D? I see plus D, but not stellar or elite. He seems like a role player who will come in with energy for 15 minutes a night. That’s it. Any more than that and you are overextending.

I disagree when it comes to playing him over Temple. Garrett has played with these guys and provides stability. Young players need some sense of stability and continuity on the court so they can develop properly. Nwaba would just be another guy to enter the rotation and try to fit in. I’d be ok with the disruption if the player was a potential high level player, but Nwaba is not that guy. He’s a 8th or 9th man on a good team.

[LightTheBeam]

Since when Nwaba is a hot commodity now? He has no NBA 3 PT range. He is an out-dated wing whose talents are slashing & in the arc scoring. We already saw that in DeMar DeRozan and he's nothing to brag about. If this Nwaba dude can play stellar defense and has legitimate intangibles, then maybe we should bring him in but I don't think he has those qualities.

Thats exactly what I think he brings.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

The Bulls last year had 2 plus defenders, Nwaba and Dunn. He possesses a 7' wing span and can guard 1-3. He makes plays happen with his length and has elite athleticism, he also strikes me as a smart player. I've watched a good amount of his videos and I think he would be great running the court with Bogdan/Fox.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not advocating giving the kid 4/40.. I think we should be looking at him around 3/18 or 2/14. Id rather see him get minutes than Temple or Shump and with all the cap space we project to have and being the limited free agent players we are, I don't think his 6-7 mil per year handicaps us.

Nwaba is not bad but he doesn't move the needle much. If at all. Unless he has some hidden potential, I don't see him as a starting player on a good team. I rather have Smart if the choice is between him and Nwaba tbh. Smart is actually younger than Nwaba believe or not. Better ball handler and creator (what the Kings need) and a better defender (what the Kings need).

Absolutely I agree. But if the choice is Smart 4/60 or Nwaba at 3/20.. Then its a pretty easy choice for me. I actually think Nwaba would be just as good of a defender maybe a little worse on ball if you put him on Boston.

Yes he isn't the playmaker but not sure I want to pay triple the price for another ball handler. I project them both as bench players so in the long term I don't see a 40 million dollar difference.

[LightTheBeam]

Since when Nwaba is a hot commodity now? He has no NBA 3 PT range. He is an out-dated wing whose talents are slashing & in the arc scoring. We already saw that in DeMar DeRozan and he's nothing to brag about. If this Nwaba dude can play stellar defense and has legitimate intangibles, then maybe we should bring him in but I don't think he has those qualities.

Thats exactly what I think he brings.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

The Bulls last year had 2 plus defenders, Nwaba and Dunn. He possesses a 7' wing span and can guard 1-3. He makes plays happen with his length and has elite athleticism, he also strikes me as a smart player. I've watched a good amount of his videos and I think he would be great running the court with Bogdan/Fox.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not advocating giving the kid 4/40.. I think we should be looking at him around 3/18 or 2/14. Id rather see him get minutes than Temple or Shump and with all the cap space we project to have and being the limited free agent players we are, I don't think his 6-7 mil per year handicaps us.

I looked at his stats and I don’t see it. Where is the stellar D? I see plus D, but not stellar or elite. He seems like a role player who will come in with energy for 15 minutes a night. That’s it. Any more than that and you are overextending.

I disagree when it comes to playing him over Temple. Garrett has played with these guys and provides stability. Young players need some sense of stability and continuity on the court so they can develop properly. Nwaba would just be another guy to enter the rotation and try to fit in. I’d be ok with the disruption if the player was a potential high level player, but Nwaba is not that guy. He’s a 8th or 9th man on a good team.

I think advanced stats can be a little deceiving. The fact he was a plus on a horrendous defensive team speaks volumes to me.

For instance in 26 games in Boston, Monroe was a whopping +4.5 DBP, Even Rozier was a +1.0. To me thats a lot to do with system, if Nwaba was in Boston he would be doing similar things to Smart.

Overall hes probably an 8th man, Smart is a 7th man himself. But at this point we have Buddy/Bogdan/Fox/Giles/Bagley the hope is that right there IMO is our 2-6 man. We need a true #1, and then guys who fit. To me Nwaba can be one of those guys.

[kalenclayton]

Thats exactly what I think he brings.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2018.html

The Bulls last year had 2 plus defenders, Nwaba and Dunn. He possesses a 7' wing span and can guard 1-3. He makes plays happen with his length and has elite athleticism, he also strikes me as a smart player. I've watched a good amount of his videos and I think he would be great running the court with Bogdan/Fox.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not advocating giving the kid 4/40.. I think we should be looking at him around 3/18 or 2/14. Id rather see him get minutes than Temple or Shump and with all the cap space we project to have and being the limited free agent players we are, I don't think his 6-7 mil per year handicaps us.

I looked at his stats and I don’t see it. Where is the stellar D? I see plus D, but not stellar or elite. He seems like a role player who will come in with energy for 15 minutes a night. That’s it. Any more than that and you are overextending.

I disagree when it comes to playing him over Temple. Garrett has played with these guys and provides stability. Young players need some sense of stability and continuity on the court so they can develop properly. Nwaba would just be another guy to enter the rotation and try to fit in. I’d be ok with the disruption if the player was a potential high level player, but Nwaba is not that guy. He’s a 8th or 9th man on a good team.

I think advanced stats can be a little deceiving. The fact he was a plus on a horrendous defensive team speaks volumes to me.

For instance in 26 games in Boston, Monroe was a whopping +4.5 DBP, Even Rozier was a +1.0. To me thats a lot to do with system, if Nwaba was in Boston he would be doing similar things to Smart.

Overall hes probably an 8th man, Smart is a 7th man himself. But at this point we have Buddy/Bogdan/Fox/Giles/Bagley the hope is that right there IMO is our 2-6 man. We need a true #1, and then guys who fit. To me Nwaba can be one of those guys.

You make a good point that he was a plus defender on a bad team with stats to back that up. I see that and I agree that he would be even better on a good team. We differ greatly in our perceptions of Smart vs. Nwaba though. On a good team, I think Nwaba ends up closer to a 9th man, while Smart is more like a 5th glue guy starter. Smart brings the attitude and skills to make our Kings team work.

I have seen a little of Nwaba and I think he’s a pretty good player, but he doesn’t offer much upside. The guy is 25, whereas Smart is 23. That’s a big part that we are overlooking. I’m fine with paying that extra money to get Smart because I see the upside in him. I think he can be a real contributor on the Kings. I’m not so sure Nwaba can. Maybe I’m wrong.

[dozencousins]

Kings have very recently reached out to Capela's agent . It is very possible Kings will make a move to attempt to get him .
Same could be said for M.Smart . They will not & cannot go after both .

Part of the hiccup is do to a couple of things .

1 ) The Kings are in 3 way trade discussion with the 76ers & Spurs which if it worked out would send Leonard to the 76ers .
Also Kings are in talks with Minny however those talks are much lighter than the 3 way deal above .

Either of these 2 trade situations are preventing them from making the offer sheets to either above .

Also it is a wait out game right now . Kings are being smart about this . Let others spend their cap , fill their rosters spaces and then go after the best available and get any players on the cheaper end.
We all know players do not flock to sign with the Kings so the above method is imperative .
The great thing is if we can get that 1 player here or there via signing or trades & we finally & I mean finally get much better we will then become far more attractive to players wanting to be on our team .

Sometimes being very low key & patient pays off big time .

Finally lets just say it doesn't work out we don't make that 1 signing now or trade . I can 100% guarantee everyone Kings will be in great position via trades for draft picks , a great player unhappy ( Not saying it would happen but what if J.Butler or another great player use your imagination wanted out & Kings have great cap the right young players to offer or whatever then we capitalize 1 way or the other )
It has taken years for the Kings to finally have this cap space we had to wait out Kenny Thomas and about 3-4 other bad contracts to finally expire just to get to this position .

Kings will do all they can to strike while the iron is hot and pounce when that right trade comes . Finally most likely after the next draft we will finally owe no major draft picks . If we took the current roster right now we will be lucky to win 30-35 games at best .
All that can change with 1 right trade , 1 right signing .

Drafting Bagley was stupid IMO . The Mavs got the right guy via trade 90% of us all now this . I hope I end up being very wrong I really do .

I fully expect that WCS will be dealt at worst before the trade deadline however I think he will get dealt before the season , Shump & Randolph are others most probable but not for sure based on expiring and not wanting to take on bad contract etc. They would buy out players before taking any bad contract unless that equaled a # 1 pick at least .

Be positive everyone something good is about to happen soon . Believe it or not the Leonard situation is a big part in all this . However that said Kings will only wait so long before they move on from that possible deal however due to most teams being out of cap & filling their rosters mostly the Kings can afford to wait is out a bit . Plus players unsigned will get antsy and be willing to take a bit less than they wanted then the Kings can strike !

[City of Trees]

Kings cap space is about to dominate the T&T board.

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[sacking123]

Kings have very recently reached out to Capela's agent . It is very possible Kings will make a move to attempt to get him .
Same could be said for M.Smart . They will not & cannot go after both .

Part of the hiccup is do to a couple of things .

1 ) The Kings are in 3 way trade discussion with the 76ers & Spurs which if it worked out would send Leonard to the 76ers .
Also Kings are in talks with Minny however those talks are much lighter than the 3 way deal above .

Either of these 2 trade situations are preventing them from making the offer sheets to either above .

Also it is a wait out game right now . Kings are being smart about this . Let others spend their cap , fill their rosters spaces and then go after the best available and get any players on the cheaper end.
We all know players do not flock to sign with the Kings so the above method is imperative .
The great thing is if we can get that 1 player here or there via signing or trades & we finally & I mean finally get much better we will then become far more attractive to players wanting to be on our team .

Sometimes being very low key & patient pays off big time .

Finally lets just say it doesn't work out we don't make that 1 signing now or trade . I can 100% guarantee everyone Kings will be in great position via trades for draft picks , a great player unhappy ( Not saying it would happen but what if J.Butler or another great player use your imagination wanted out & Kings have great cap the right young players to offer or whatever then we capitalize 1 way or the other )
It has taken years for the Kings to finally have this cap space we had to wait out Kenny Thomas and about 3-4 other bad contracts to finally expire just to get to this position .

Kings will do all they can to strike while the iron is hot and pounce when that right trade comes . Finally most likely after the next draft we will finally owe no major draft picks . If we took the current roster right now we will be lucky to win 30-35 games at best .
All that can change with 1 right trade , 1 right signing .

Drafting Bagley was stupid IMO . The Mavs got the right guy via trade 90% of us all now this . I hope I end up being very wrong I really do .

I fully expect that WCS will be dealt at worst before the trade deadline however I think he will get dealt before the season , Shump & Randolph are others most probable but not for sure based on expiring and not wanting to take on bad contract etc. They would buy out players before taking any bad contract unless that equaled a # 1 pick at least .

Be positive everyone something good is about to happen soon . Believe it or not the Leonard situation is a big part in all this . However that said Kings will only wait so long before they move on from that possible deal however due to most teams being out of cap & filling their rosters mostly the Kings can afford to wait is out a bit . Plus players unsigned will get antsy and be willing to take a bit less than they wanted then the Kings can strike !

I have been hoping the lack of activity has been because of a Kawhi trade, but I got to tell you it’s testing the patience!
The thing is we have a lot of leverage now with a Kawhi trade so it’s either make the deal or we move on to Smart.


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[becorz]

I fully expect that WCS will be dealt at worst before the trade deadline however I think he will get dealt before the season

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that players going into their RFA year are rarely traded. Just too much uncertainty around them. Off the top of my head, I can think of Hood, but who else is traded in that scenario? I just don't think WCS is good enough to get any sort of return going into his RFA season. I think it would have to be part of a larger trade.

[ProcessDoctor]

Kings have very recently reached out to Capela's agent . It is very possible Kings will make a move to attempt to get him .
Same could be said for M.Smart . They will not & cannot go after both .

Part of the hiccup is do to a couple of things .

1 ) The Kings are in 3 way trade discussion with the 76ers & Spurs which if it worked out would send Leonard to the 76ers .
Also Kings are in talks with Minny however those talks are much lighter than the 3 way deal above .

Either of these 2 trade situations are preventing them from making the offer sheets to either above .

Also it is a wait out game right now . Kings are being smart about this . Let others spend their cap , fill their rosters spaces and then go after the best available and get any players on the cheaper end.
We all know players do not flock to sign with the Kings so the above method is imperative .
The great thing is if we can get that 1 player here or there via signing or trades & we finally & I mean finally get much better we will then become far more attractive to players wanting to be on our team .

Sometimes being very low key & patient pays off big time .

Finally lets just say it doesn't work out we don't make that 1 signing now or trade . I can 100% guarantee everyone Kings will be in great position via trades for draft picks , a great player unhappy ( Not saying it would happen but what if J.Butler or another great player use your imagination wanted out & Kings have great cap the right young players to offer or whatever then we capitalize 1 way or the other )
It has taken years for the Kings to finally have this cap space we had to wait out Kenny Thomas and about 3-4 other bad contracts to finally expire just to get to this position .

Kings will do all they can to strike while the iron is hot and pounce when that right trade comes . Finally most likely after the next draft we will finally owe no major draft picks . If we took the current roster right now we will be lucky to win 30-35 games at best .
All that can change with 1 right trade , 1 right signing .

Drafting Bagley was stupid IMO . The Mavs got the right guy via trade 90% of us all now this . I hope I end up being very wrong I really do .

I fully expect that WCS will be dealt at worst before the trade deadline however I think he will get dealt before the season , Shump & Randolph are others most probable but not for sure based on expiring and not wanting to take on bad contract etc. They would buy out players before taking any bad contract unless that equaled a # 1 pick at least .

Be positive everyone something good is about to happen soon . Believe it or not the Leonard situation is a big part in all this . However that said Kings will only wait so long before they move on from that possible deal however due to most teams being out of cap & filling their rosters mostly the Kings can afford to wait is out a bit . Plus players unsigned will get antsy and be willing to take a bit less than they wanted then the Kings can strike !

Sixers fan here, like to follow the Kings. Are you an insider on this board? Are you able to share more about Kawhi and the Sixers? Thanks in advance.

[LightTheBeam]

Sixers fan here, like to follow the Kings. Are you an insider on this board? Are you able to share more about Kawhi and the Sixers? Thanks in advance.

I'm not sure anyone knows what vlade is thinking. He talks about wanting to take on bad contracts for picks, yet we watch as Brooklyn and philly do the moves we should have. And instead of getting in those moves we throw a huge contract at lavine.

We need a small forward but aside from herzonja we haven't been linked to one.

We are linked to smart, and then we refute that.

The hope is we get in some trade at some point while using our cap for assets or a small forward. I wouldnt be surprised to see us throw Skal or WCS for Covington if the opportunity arises in a 3 way trade.