Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[dckingsfan]

The Detroit Pistons are pretty much stuck cap wise for the next two years - and not having a pick this year didn't help. We will see if a new coach can get more out of this team (Casey).

On paper - it should be a playoff team in the east if Reggie Jackson is healthy. If not a rotation of Caldron/Ish Smith is going to struggle, IMO. Drummond has improved year over year and this will be a full year with the team for Griffin. That is a pretty strong FC - especially in the east.

But the real keys will be if Kennard and Johnson break out. Kennard already started last season. Johnson is anything but a consistent threat from the 3pt line - he really needs to take that step or Casey is going to have to do something drastic (like start Bullock at SF). His defense was solid.

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Jackson    Calderon   Smith
Kennard    Bullock        Galloway
Johnson    Robinson   
Griffin    Leuer       Ellenson
Drummond   Pachulia   


[dckingsfan]

Note: this is just a regular season win SWAG! Nothing more

Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Charlotte, Detroit

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Cleveland, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago, Brooklyn, NY

[payitforward]

The Detroit Pistons are pretty much stuck cap wise for the next two years - and not having a pick this year didn't help. We will see if a new coach can get more out of this team. On paper - it should be a playoff team in the east if Reggie Jackson is healthy. If not a rotation of Caldron/Ish Smith is going to struggle, IMO.

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Jackson    Calderon   Smith
Bullock    Kennard    Galloway
Johnson    Robinson   
Griffin    Leuer       Ellenson
Drummond   Pachulia   


They did come out of the draft w/ a player -- Khyri Thomas, whom they took 2 #38 w/ a pick Philly traded to them.

[trast66]

Note: this is just a regular season win SWAG! Nothing more

Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Charlotte, Detroit

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Cleveland, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago, Brooklyn, NY

Wow that’s a terrible conference. I guess I’d put Boston and Philly in top tier and us, Indy and Toronto in 2nd tier. I’d put Cleveland up with Charlotte and Detroit.

Shouldn’t we be better than Indy? We really should but certainly were not last year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think the contract Chicago gave Jabari Parker was pretty ridiculous

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[payitforward]

Me too.

I hope he's good at sharing!

[dckingsfan]

Note: this is just a regular season win SWAG! Nothing more

Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Charlotte, Detroit

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Cleveland, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago, Brooklyn, NY

Wow that’s a terrible conference. I guess I’d put Boston and Philly in top tier and us, Indy and Toronto in 2nd tier. I’d put Cleveland up with Charlotte and Detroit.

Shouldn’t we be better than Indy? We really should but certainly were not last year.

Good points all - I am just trying to figure out standings, above, below and playoffs. I think as others have rightly pointed out, the playoffs will be a different story. So, I am not trying to tier them at this point.

We won 43 games last year and Indy won 48. I think that both teams have improved this off-season. Indy picked up McDermott, Evans and O'Quinn. We picked up Howard, Green and Rivers. It could be pretty close - but let's say they pick up even 2 games and get to 50 wins - when was the last time we won 50? But I think there could be good arguments made that we catch them as well

[Eli Babak]

Bulls paid crazy amount in order to get that team option. I would've preferred a move like Felicio for Melo but they wanted to bring local kid back home and wish for a success story. Jabari will play mostly @SF for them so that's kinda scary. He has to lose weight, stay in shape and just play for the team. Best case scenario is that they have exciting young team in Dunn-LaVine-Parker-Markkanen-Carter with Payne-Valentine-Hutchison-Portis off the bench. Most likely it's not going to be a fairytale but they have nothing to lose.

[payitforward]

Good points all, Eli -- except I can't see why to acquire Melo....

They can afford the $$, & if he is successful then they've got something.

What they really need is a new FO.

[nate33]

when was the last time we won 50?

The answer to this question never fails to blow my mind:

The 1978-79 season.

Literally 40 years ago.

[dckingsfan]

when was the last time we won 50?

The answer to this question never fails to blow my mind:

The 1978-79 season.

Literally 40 years ago.

Mind blowing, maybe this will be the season? I see a couple of reason why and why not.

Why:
- Howard/Wall mesh and form a difficult to counter P&R option on offense surrounding the two of them with shooters
- Brooks goes small ball moving Porter to have significant minutes at PF
- Oubre and Sato continue to have their upward trajectory

Why not
- Wall keeps pounding the ball and Howard demands lots of touches in the low-post
- Brooks stays with Morris/Green primarily at PF
- Brooks moves Sato to the end of the bench and his minutes are taken (primarily) by Rivers

My thinking is that why not is more likely. Brooks, Wall and Howard would each have to give up bad habits to move us in the right direction. I think it is difficult for the three of them to change at this point in their careers.

[Error Afflalo]

I think the contract Chicago gave Jabari Parker was pretty ridiculous

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I thought so too until I saw the second year is a team option. I get it now.

[Eli Babak]

Good points all, Eli -- except I can't see why to acquire Melo....

To get rid of Felicio's contract - he's still owed 3 years and 24 million. On the other hand, the cap hit isn't that bad and they're not really competing this year. Parker is definitely a risk worth taking.

[dckingsfan]

Milwaukee Bucks picked up Donte DiVincenzo in the draft - doesn't look like he will contribute this season. They picked up Ilyasova and Lopez - I guess they see Ilyasova and Lopez as stretch FC players? I am going to say that they improved because Lopez/Henson is an upgrade over Henson/Maker. And I think they will improve because GA just keeps getting better. They won 44 games last season - I see them winning a few more games next season. I could also see a trade for a SF for one of Henson, Maker or Zeller.

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Bledsoe     Dellavedova     Jennings   
Snell       Brogdon         DiVincenzo   
Middleton   Brown      
GA          Ilyasova        Wilson   
Lopez       Henson          Maker        Zeller


[payitforward]

...Shouldn’t we be better than Indy? We really should but certainly were not last year.

...We won 43 games last year and Indy won 48. I think that both teams have improved this off-season. Indy picked up McDermott, Evans and O'Quinn. We picked up Howard, Green and Rivers. It could be pretty close - but let's say they pick up even 2 games and get to 50 wins - when was the last time we won 50? But I think there could be good arguments made that we catch them as well

Last year they won 5 more games than we did -- but Wall's injury likely accounts for most of that difference.

If we are to be a better team than Indy, then Wall & Beal both must return to 2016-17 form or very close (which they might! -- why not?), & Porter must continue to play at the high level of his last couple of years (or improve for that matter).

Satoransky was much better last year than the year we won 49. If he plays the same minutes as last year & plays as well as he did, that alone makes us a better team than in 2016-17.

If, in addition, Oubre plays the whole season the way he played the first 1/3 of last season -- & if his minutes are the same as last year, then we would be better yet.

If all goes well, Howard will help some too. But will Howard be better than Gortat was in 2016-17 -- our previous high water mark? Maybe.

All that is good stuff, & w/o a doubt if all that stuff went that way we'd be quite a bit better than our 49 win season. But, of course, this is cherry-picking & is based on a whole mess of extremely optimistic assumptions which will *not* all turn out! ... & it also assumes about 14,000 minutes from those 6 players.

For this to happen, Morris's minutes would have to drop to @ 1400, Mahinmi to even less than that, Rivers & Green would only play @ 1000 minutes each, Meeks would play less than that, & Smith would barely play. Brown & Bryant would barely play.

It won't be like that. The above is a model, a thought experiment & no more. But those are the elements on which our success depends -- being better than Indy, for example.

[dckingsfan]

Note: this is just a regular season win SWAG! Nothing more

Playoff teams - Probably win more games than we do
Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Playoff teams - homer in me says we will win more games
Charlotte, Detroit, Milwaukee

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Cleveland, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago, Brooklyn, NY

[gambitx777]

I think the contract Chicago gave Jabari Parker was pretty ridiculous

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I mean 40 mill for a dude who plays less basketball than I do, (fyi i have not balled out since 2015)

[dckingsfan]

...Shouldn’t we be better than Indy? We really should but certainly were not last year.

...We won 43 games last year and Indy won 48. I think that both teams have improved this off-season. Indy picked up McDermott, Evans and O'Quinn. We picked up Howard, Green and Rivers. It could be pretty close - but let's say they pick up even 2 games and get to 50 wins - when was the last time we won 50? But I think there could be good arguments made that we catch them as well

Last year they won 5 more games than we did -- but Wall's injury likely accounts for most of that difference.

If we are to be a better team than Indy, then Wall & Beal both must return to 2016-17 form or very close (which they might! -- why not?), & Porter must continue to play at the high level of his last couple of years (or improve for that matter).

Satoransky was much better last year than the year we won 49. If he plays the same minutes as last year & plays as well as he did, that alone makes us a better team than in 2016-17.

If, in addition, Oubre plays the whole season the way he played the first 1/3 of last season -- & if his minutes are the same as last year, then we would be better yet.

If all goes well, Howard will help some too. But will Howard be better than Gortat was in 2016-17 -- our previous high water mark? Maybe.

All that is good stuff, & w/o a doubt if all that stuff went that way we'd be quite a bit better than our 49 win season. But, of course, this is cherry-picking & is based on a whole mess of extremely optimistic assumptions which will *not* all turn out! ... & it also assumes about 14,000 minutes from those 6 players.

For this to happen, Morris's minutes would have to drop to @ 1400, Mahinmi to even less than that, Rivers & Green would only play @ 1000 minutes each, Meeks would play less than that, & Smith would barely play. Brown & Bryant would barely play.

It won't be like that. The above is a model, a thought experiment & no more. But those are the elements on which our success depends -- being better than Indy, for example.

You hit it... and I also said this:

I see a couple of reason why and why not (we improve back to 16-17)

Why:
- Howard/Wall mesh and form a difficult to counter P&R option on offense surrounding the two of them with shooters
- Brooks goes small ball moving Porter to have significant minutes at PF
- Oubre and Sato continue to have their upward trajectory

Why not
- Wall keeps pounding the ball and Howard demands lots of touches in the low-post
- Brooks stays with Morris/Green primarily at PF
- Brooks moves Sato to the end of the bench and his minutes are taken (primarily) by Rivers

My thinking is that why not is more likely. Brooks, Wall and Howard would each have to give up bad habits to move us in the right direction. I think it is difficult for the three of them to change at this point in their careers.

But your points are even more salient on minutes played - I just don't see Brooks doing that - but man if he did Nat would absolutely lose it and we would be a 50+ win team.

It's the pre-season - so we have to be fanatic and trust the plan

[payitforward]

Milwaukee Bucks picked up Donte DiVincenzo in the draft - doesn't look like he will contribute this season. ...

Why not?

[dckingsfan]

Milwaukee Bucks picked up Donte DiVincenzo in the draft - doesn't look like he will contribute this season. ...

Why not?

Just my take from watching summer league. Not saying he won't contribute - but I just don't see him getting any meaningful PT as the roster sits and with his current skill set.