Wendell Carter Jr - The Block Panther Edition

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Carter really doesn't need the ball as much as possible to develop or make an impact right now.

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This. Carter’s points are going to come off of cleaning up others mistakes and from being in the right place at the right time. He won’t need to compete for touches.

[erlim]

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[HomoSapien]

Carter should absolutely be starting from day 1.

Why? How does starting day 1 help Carter's development? How does it position him for success than playing the same minutes off the bench?

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Why? Because starting Lopez hasn't worked, solid as he is, and Carter seems more talented. So maybe he can help us win more. If he's able to keep rookie style errors limited, why not?

When bring someone off the bench, you immediately set a cap for how many minutes they can play, and it might vary if someone like Lopez gets off to a hot start. Obviously if Carter's far from being NBA-ready, he shouldn't start. That said, if we see him as a key franchise cog why should we wait to start him? We wouldn't have done Lauri any favors by benching him behind Niko or Portis. Clearly throwing him into the Wolves sped up his development. Why not do the same thing with Carter?

[realEAST]

Carter really doesn't need the ball as much as possible to develop or make an impact right now.

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This. Carter’s points are going to come off of cleaning up others mistakes and from being in the right place at the right time. He won’t need to compete for touches.

With talent he has on offensive end and in general, as well as thinking of the way I'd like to see the team play, I'd rather see him has the ball as much as possible with opportunity to expand his role and skillset, than him being reduced to garbage man, because we didn't have to spend #7 pick on a big like that, and it's questionable how much he develops under such circumstance. And if he isn't presented with an opportunity to try and prepare for a bigger role this season, it is going to be harder to expect it in following ones (unless we completely break apart, which isn't out of the question too). Fact he still could/would be impactful in smaller role isn't the reason to put him in one, just because other need volume.

[DASMACKDOWN]

When bring someone off the bench, you immediately set a cap for how many minutes they can play, and it might vary if someone like Lopez gets off to a hot start. Obviously if Carter's far from being NBA-ready, he shouldn't start. That said, if we see him as a key franchise cog why should we wait to start him? We wouldn't have done Lauri any favors by benching him behind Niko or Portis. Clearly throwing him into the Wolves sped up his development. Why not do the same thing with Carter?

Exactly. I think people have to reassess the timetable of these guys.

Lopez is on a one year deal, is 30 years old, doesn't fit age wise with the core group. He isn't going to be a safety blanket for Lauri any more and certainly wont be for WCJ at least not for a season.

We are also in timetable mode with Jabari to see overall fit going forward. On top of can the team mix well with Dunn as pg.

If the overall vision is WCJ, Lauri, Parker, Lavine and Dunn, why delay the inevitable?

[Stratmaster]

Why? How does starting day 1 help Carter's development? How does it position him for success than playing the same minutes off the bench?

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Why? Because starting Lopez hasn't worked, solid as he is, and Carter seems more talented. So maybe he can help us win more. If he's able to keep rookie style errors limited, why not?

When bring someone off the bench, you immediately set a cap for how many minutes they can play, and it might vary if someone like Lopez gets off to a hot start. Obviously if Carter's far from being NBA-ready, he shouldn't start. That said, if we see him as a key franchise cog why should we wait to start him? We wouldn't have done Lauri any favors by benching him behind Niko or Portis. Clearly throwing him into the Wolves sped up his development. Why not do the same thing with Carter?

Earlier I listed about six reasons why you would want to start Lopez. The most important one to me is that if you put the five young players out on the court together to start games against good NBA teams they're likely going to get embarrassed. I don't mean just embarrassed because they're out manned but there will likely be Anarchy on the court. I think Lopez can help keep that from happening if he's out there with the youngsters. I think it is important these guys slowly build confidence in a comfort level. I don't want them to start pointing fingers at each other because everything is a mess on the court.

I keep being told I'm wrong, but no one addresses any of the points that were made so there's probably no point in discussing it further.

I don't necessarily agree with you that being thrown to the Wolves was the best thing for Lauri. Yes he looked pretty good in several games. He also looked pretty bad in several including one pretty long stretch where it seemed to affect his confidence. He handled it admirably but I still think coming off the bench at the start of the Season would have been better for him. No way for either of us to prove that one way or the other though.

[Stratmaster]

Why? How does starting day 1 help Carter's development? How does it position him for success than playing the same minutes off the bench?

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Why? Because starting Lopez hasn't worked, solid as he is, and Carter seems more talented. So maybe he can help us win more. If he's able to keep rookie style errors limited, why not?

When bring someone off the bench, you immediately set a cap for how many minutes they can play, and it might vary if someone like Lopez gets off to a hot start. Obviously if Carter's far from being NBA-ready, he shouldn't start. That said, if we see him as a key franchise cog why should we wait to start him? We wouldn't have done Lauri any favors by benching him behind Niko or Portis. Clearly throwing him into the Wolves sped up his development. Why not do the same thing with Carter?

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Rolo should start for many reasons.

Rolo is almost surely the better player at this point.

There is no reason to force Carter into a situation where his performance is going to get picked apart in the context of a starting Center.

Starting the season on the bench allows hm to get his bearings, see the speed of the game, and learn from a quality veteran's play on the court.

Trying to develop 5 young players, all on the court at the same time, is difficult. Anarchy on the court is not a good thing. Rolo can help identify and communicate issues on the court and help direct traffic, assignments, etc.

Seems some are afraid Zach will ball-hog. If he really is inclined to do that, put him on the court with 4 players with less years of service than he has. Lopez can at least be a stabilizing and guiding voice on the court who Zach will have to listen to.

Bringing Rolo off the bench will not help his trade value.

[League Circles]

Why? Because starting Lopez hasn't worked, solid as he is, and Carter seems more talented. So maybe he can help us win more. If he's able to keep rookie style errors limited, why not?

When bring someone off the bench, you immediately set a cap for how many minutes they can play, and it might vary if someone like Lopez gets off to a hot start. Obviously if Carter's far from being NBA-ready, he shouldn't start. That said, if we see him as a key franchise cog why should we wait to start him? We wouldn't have done Lauri any favors by benching him behind Niko or Portis. Clearly throwing him into the Wolves sped up his development. Why not do the same thing with Carter?

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Rolo should start for many reasons.

Rolo is almost surely the better player at this point.

There is no reason to force Carter into a situation where his performance is going to get picked apart in the context of a starting Center.

Starting the season on the bench allows hm to get his bearings, see the speed of the game, and learn from a quality veteran's play on the court.

Trying to develop 5 young players, all on the court at the same time, is difficult. Anarchy on the court is not a good thing. Rolo can help identify and communicate issues on the court and help direct traffic, assignments, etc.

Seems some are afraid Zach will ball-hog. If he really is inclined to do that, put him on the court with 4 players with less years of service than he has. Lopez can at least be a stabilizing and guiding voice on the court who Zach will have to listen to.

Bringing Rolo off the bench will not help his trade value.

I'd be inclined to agree if Carter were dumb and had poor fundamentals instead of very smart and having good fundamentals, and/or if Lopez were good instead of average at best. It's time for Kris Dunn to become more of a vocal leader and the coach needs to get the whole unit to be vocal.

[Stratmaster]

When bring someone off the bench, you immediately set a cap for how many minutes they can play, and it might vary if someone like Lopez gets off to a hot start. Obviously if Carter's far from being NBA-ready, he shouldn't start. That said, if we see him as a key franchise cog why should we wait to start him? We wouldn't have done Lauri any favors by benching him behind Niko or Portis. Clearly throwing him into the Wolves sped up his development. Why not do the same thing with Carter?

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Rolo should start for many reasons.

Rolo is almost surely the better player at this point.

There is no reason to force Carter into a situation where his performance is going to get picked apart in the context of a starting Center.

Starting the season on the bench allows hm to get his bearings, see the speed of the game, and learn from a quality veteran's play on the court.

Trying to develop 5 young players, all on the court at the same time, is difficult. Anarchy on the court is not a good thing. Rolo can help identify and communicate issues on the court and help direct traffic, assignments, etc.

Seems some are afraid Zach will ball-hog. If he really is inclined to do that, put him on the court with 4 players with less years of service than he has. Lopez can at least be a stabilizing and guiding voice on the court who Zach will have to listen to.

Bringing Rolo off the bench will not help his trade value.

I'd be inclined to agree if Carter were dumb and had poor fundamentals instead of very smart and having good fundamentals, and/or if Lopez were good instead of average at best. It's time for Kris Dunn to become more of a vocal leader and the coach needs to get the whole unit to be vocal.

Lopez is a solid vet. Wasnt it Carter who said that if the Bulls drafted him he would look forward to learning from Lopez? May have been a different big in the draft I'm not sure but I thought it was Wendell.

Either way, it's not that I'm concerned so much that Wendell couldn't handle it if he had to. Other than Dunn & Lauri the rest of the youngsters really haven't played together much if at all. I think having someone on the court Who has some semblance of a clue what is going on is going to be necessary to keep it from being a complete mess.

I'm not advocating the Carter come off the bench for the entire season or anything like that. I would just like to see them get 20 or 25 games under their belt with Lopez starting

[sco]

Again, I'm not too concerned if Carter starts or not from a developmental perspective. I'm sure he's slated to get 24 MPG + this season. I think the NBA season is a grind and rookies wear down faster than vets...also, I think he'll have his fair share of foul troubles.

[poolshark52]

This is pretty hilarious, and it has a cameo by none other than our very own Wendell.

https://www.theringer.com/video/2018/7/16/17576478/the-ringer-eleven-official-trailer

[musiqsoulchild]

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Rolo should start for many reasons.

Rolo is almost surely the better player at this point.

There is no reason to force Carter into a situation where his performance is going to get picked apart in the context of a starting Center.

Starting the season on the bench allows hm to get his bearings, see the speed of the game, and learn from a quality veteran's play on the court.

Trying to develop 5 young players, all on the court at the same time, is difficult. Anarchy on the court is not a good thing. Rolo can help identify and communicate issues on the court and help direct traffic, assignments, etc.

Seems some are afraid Zach will ball-hog. If he really is inclined to do that, put him on the court with 4 players with less years of service than he has. Lopez can at least be a stabilizing and guiding voice on the court who Zach will have to listen to.

Bringing Rolo off the bench will not help his trade value.

I'd be inclined to agree if Carter were dumb and had poor fundamentals instead of very smart and having good fundamentals, and/or if Lopez were good instead of average at best. It's time for Kris Dunn to become more of a vocal leader and the coach needs to get the whole unit to be vocal.

Lopez is a solid vet. Wasnt it Carter who said that if the Bulls drafted him he would look forward to learning from Lopez? May have been a different big in the draft I'm not sure but I thought it was Wendell.

Either way, it's not that I'm concerned so much that Wendell couldn't handle it if he had to. Other than Dunn & Lauri the rest of the youngsters really haven't played together much if at all. I think having someone on the court Who has some semblance of a clue what is going on is going to be necessary to keep it from being a complete mess.

I'm not advocating the Carter come off the bench for the entire season or anything like that. I would just like to see them get 20 or 25 games under their belt with Lopez starting

Our highest minutes 5 man unit is going to be:

Dunn
Lavine
Parker
Lauri
Lopez

I suspect however that the next highest minutes 5 man unit will feature Wendell.

[Chi town]

Why? Because starting Lopez hasn't worked, solid as he is, and Carter seems more talented. So maybe he can help us win more. If he's able to keep rookie style errors limited, why not?

When bring someone off the bench, you immediately set a cap for how many minutes they can play, and it might vary if someone like Lopez gets off to a hot start. Obviously if Carter's far from being NBA-ready, he shouldn't start. That said, if we see him as a key franchise cog why should we wait to start him? We wouldn't have done Lauri any favors by benching him behind Niko or Portis. Clearly throwing him into the Wolves sped up his development. Why not do the same thing with Carter?

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Rolo should start for many reasons.

Rolo is almost surely the better player at this point.

There is no reason to force Carter into a situation where his performance is going to get picked apart in the context of a starting Center.

Starting the season on the bench allows hm to get his bearings, see the speed of the game, and learn from a quality veteran's play on the court.

Trying to develop 5 young players, all on the court at the same time, is difficult. Anarchy on the court is not a good thing. Rolo can help identify and communicate issues on the court and help direct traffic, assignments, etc.

Seems some are afraid Zach will ball-hog. If he really is inclined to do that, put him on the court with 4 players with less years of service than he has. Lopez can at least be a stabilizing and guiding voice on the court who Zach will have to listen to.

Bringing Rolo off the bench will not help his trade value.

I somewhat agree with this since its clear the Bulls want to win games. I think it will only take Wendell 20-30 games to take his starting spot though. I think he will be more impactful due to his defense and rim protection. I think Rolo could help stabilize the 2nd unit though.

One think I am happy about... the offense will NO LONGER run through RoLo. It will probably be Lauri and Jabari.

[madvillian]

I'd probably bring him off the bench until he can prove he can play without fouling. Soon as that happens start him. If he's still coming off the bench in January something went wrong most likely.

[kulaz3000]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24104356/nba-summer-league-best-worst-most-surprising-rookies-5-5-debate

1. Who was the best rookie you saw at summer league?
Mike Schmitz, ESPN Insider: Often described as a safe or high-floor selection, Bulls center Wendell Carter Jr. turned heads with his play in Las Vegas. This isn't to say he's an NBA Rookie of the Year front-runner or on track to be the best player from the 2018 draft class, but the 19-year-old outshined every other big man drafted ahead of him, and he looks like a steal at No. 7 overall. Often compared to Al Horford, Carter's ability to space the floor (3-of-6 from 3), beat a switch in the post, play out of short rolls, facilitate, rebound and protect the rim (3.9 blocks per 40 minutes) were all on display, making him arguably the most well-rounded big man prospect in an otherwise extremely talented crop.

Carter has gotten himself into outstanding shape, and he was far better switching onto the perimeter than expected. While Marvin Bagley III, Deandre Ayton, Jaren Jackson Jr. and Mohamed Bamba stole most of the pre-draft buzz, Carter is the type of under-the-radar star who should impact winning from day one in Chicago.

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider: Wendell Carter Jr., as I wrote last week. For the most part, the athletes taken ahead of Carter played as expected -- not counting Luka Doncic, who did not suit up for the Dallas Mavericks. However, Carter showed the kind of NBA-ready skill set that his believers touted before the draft, one that he wasn't able to showcase at Duke in yet another sign that the NBA and college basketball are increasingly two different sports.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Hey guys, just made a video on Carter's SL performance. Video, analysis, and Synergy info.

I actually went out to SL for 8 days, and he was one of my favorites to watch. He has such a bright future, and I love what the Bulls are doing.

Check it out here -

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[musiqsoulchild]

About Wendell Vs. Lopez starting:

I dont think we will sacrifice any regular season wins this time around in the name of development.

That should answer the question of who should start.

The beginning of a game is important because it sets the tempo. Last season - we just kept losing games in the first quarter.

This season, I expect Lopez to be the steadying on-court presence for the entire lineup. This isnt just about who plays the Center position better ( the answer to which is still Lopez). This is more about who is a steadying influence on the court when the game starts.

Thats why I expect Lopez to start. And after the trade deadline passes, Wendell is gonna be given the rights to go berserk.

[madvillian]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24104356/nba-summer-league-best-worst-most-surprising-rookies-5-5-debate

1. Who was the best rookie you saw at summer league?
Mike Schmitz, ESPN Insider: Often described as a safe or high-floor selection, Bulls center Wendell Carter Jr. turned heads with his play in Las Vegas. This isn't to say he's an NBA Rookie of the Year front-runner or on track to be the best player from the 2018 draft class, but the 19-year-old outshined every other big man drafted ahead of him, and he looks like a steal at No. 7 overall. Often compared to Al Horford, Carter's ability to space the floor (3-of-6 from 3), beat a switch in the post, play out of short rolls, facilitate, rebound and protect the rim (3.9 blocks per 40 minutes) were all on display, making him arguably the most well-rounded big man prospect in an otherwise extremely talented crop.

Carter has gotten himself into outstanding shape, and he was far better switching onto the perimeter than expected. While Marvin Bagley III, Deandre Ayton, Jaren Jackson Jr. and Mohamed Bamba stole most of the pre-draft buzz, Carter is the type of under-the-radar star who should impact winning from day one in Chicago.

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider: Wendell Carter Jr., as I wrote last week. For the most part, the athletes taken ahead of Carter played as expected -- not counting Luka Doncic, who did not suit up for the Dallas Mavericks. However, Carter showed the kind of NBA-ready skill set that his believers touted before the draft, one that he wasn't able to showcase at Duke in yet another sign that the NBA and college basketball are increasingly two different sports.

It does increasingly seem this way, especially for college teams that aren't playing 4 out yet. There are teams in the B1G like MSU and Whisky that are hardly even playing the same sport as the Warriors or Rockets or even the Sixers.

[Red8911]

I expect Lopez to start in the beginning of the season but I don’t think he ll get majority of the minutes,him and Carter will probably split the time.

This would be better for carter to come in the league off the bench without pressure and have good mentor in Lopez. That’s the best way,let him earn his way up and who knows if he’s good enough he will play more than Lopez. Regardless I think the bulls have a really good front line those 2 along with Lauri and Portis.

[cool007]

About Wendell Vs. Lopez starting:

I dont think we will sacrifice any regular season wins this time around in the name of development.

That should answer the question of who should start.

The beginning of a game is important because it sets the tempo. Last season - we just kept losing games in the first quarter.

This season, I expect Lopez to be the steadying on-court presence for the entire lineup. This isnt just about who plays the Center position better ( the answer to which is still Lopez). This is more about who is a steadying influence on the court when the game starts.

Thats why I expect Lopez to start. And after the trade deadline passes, Wendell is gonna be given the rights to go berserk.

I disagree. It's not like starting Lopez would automatically give us more wins or make us a winning/playoff team.
I think Carter is just as good, if not better.