Jimmy Butler to Denver is a thing!!!!

[youngthegiant]

Jimmy Butler has been working out with Demaryius Thomas all summer and he recently posted this on instagram. Butler liked the post and as recent as last week liked a comment that said to join Denver.

[NuggetsWY]

He'd certainly make a great tight end or possession-flanker.

[THE J0KER]

This is not big deal, just an Instagram story. But if we can dream about some big FA name next summer, first on wish list should be some two-way star (like Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard). We are offensively already TOP3, so option which would give our defense new dimension would be just perfect. And in such Kawhi/Butler case, I can't see any SF conflict with Porter, because from Durant and Giannis cases we know that such tall SF can be easily redirected to PF spot if the team needs it more.

[NuggetsWY]

This is not big deal, just an Instagram story. But if we can dream about some big FA name next summer, first on wish list should be some two-way star (like Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard). We are offensively already TOP3, so option which would give our defense new dimension would be just perfect. And in such Kawhi/Butler case, I can't see any SF conflict with Porter, because from Durant and Giannis cases we know that such tall SF can be easily redirected to PF spot if the team needs it more.

Maybe he can join LeBron on Stan's yacht.

[Zaccaibone]

I am hoping that happen

[skywalker33]

I am hoping that happen

Not likely to happen without taking away from our own core.

[The Rebel]

I am still not sold on adding Butler, especially now that he is on an expiring contract. 2 stops in a row he has now reportedly had issues in the locker room. I would take him for free, but I don't think I would give up much to get him, and I damn sure am not giving up any of the young core.

[lars_rosenberg]

Landing him as a free agent isn't easy with more attractive teams that will pursue him.
If Denver was a perennial playoff team there may be a chance, but at this point it is not.
Trading him now and hoping for him to stay just like OKC did for PG may be a bet that Denver is willing to take.
I don't know what Minnesota could be interested in, though. Probably Porter Jr.

[skywalker33]

Landing him as a free agent isn't easy with more attractive teams that will pursue him.
If Denver was a perennial playoff team there may be a chance, but at this point it is not.
Trading him now and hoping for him to stay just like OKC did for PG may be a bet that Denver is willing to take.
I don't know what Minnesota could be interested in, though. Probably Porter Jr.

Very ignorant thing to say IMO. Paul Millsap looked at the potential of this team and signed, so it is a free agent destination. Your suggesting because DEN is a not a perennial playoff team would easily eliminate the Lakers and Knicks too but I feel like they're both possibilities. Perhaps you could just look into that crystal ball and share what the lotto numbers are as well .

And I don't see the Nuggets giving up MPJ especially when it looks like Butler is either a bit of a team malcontent or just ready to leave MIN because they have underachieving young stars, which BTW is just opposite of the DEN young stars. And while I like Butler as a well-rounded player, not sure the Nuggets pursue him, he has shown to be disruptive on both teams he's been don't on and we really don't need a diva here. But that's just my opinion.

[NuggetsWY]

Jimmy Butler will be very difficult to sign but it's a possibility. He'd fit better at SF than Barton, that's for sure. He could be interested in Denver, as Sky pointed out. The big name players are recognizing the value of Denver's youth and what can happen if they join. But I'm not likely to spend much time talking about Butler to Denver until at least very late this coming season.

Jokic, Harris, Murray with a whole bunch of young potentials. If just a few of those potentials reach 4th or 5th starter or 1st bench player status, we are going to do very well - that's what I personally believe the big names already see.

[THE J0KER]

If we want seriously to talk about "Butler in Denver" scenario, he is probably the best FA star which we can get next summer (if he uses player option). We can only dream about Durant, Kawhi is going in one of two LA teams, and a new generation of upcoming superstars Giannis and Davis will most probably sign a supermax contract for their current teams. His price is 110M/4 according to Minnesota last offer, which will force us to gave-up from Millsap even if he wants to stay much under 30M price. In that case, Porter will be redirected to PF (share it with Lyles), which should not be a big problem for a 6-11 guy. And Barton will be redirected from SF to backups pg-sg-sf role, which he already played in 2017-18.

Everything except FA sign would be crazy because an eventual trade already this year for him would cost Denver too much, Harris or Porter.

[The Rebel]

If we want seriously to talk about "Butler in Denver" scenario, he is probably the best FA star which we can get next summer (if he uses player option). We can only dream about Durant, Kawhi is going in one of two LA teams, and a new generation of upcoming superstars Giannis and Davis will most probably sign a supermax contract for their current teams. His price is 110M/4 according to Minnesota last offer, which will force us to gave-up from Millsap even if he wants to stay much under 30M price. In that case, Porter will be redirected to PF (share it with Lyles), which should not be a big problem for a 6-11 guy. And Barton will be redirected from SF to backups pg-sg-sf role, which he already played in 2017-18.

Everything except FA sign would be crazy because an eventual trade already this year for him would cost Denver too much, Harris or Porter.

the CBA restricts the value of extensions for veterans coming off of veteran contracts to 120% of their previous deal. Which means that Butler extension would kick in next year for a max of $25 million in starting salary and 4 years total. If he becomes free agent than he can get the max contract for 8 years of service which is 30% of the cap or a starting salary of $30.24 million.


To get max cap space next year it will cost more than Millsap. If they opt out of Millsap and renounce Lyles that leaves about $21 million in available salary based on projections or $9 million short on a max contract. The only way to clear up room for a max deal is going to be moving Barton, Plumlee, or 4 of Lydon, Beasley, Juancho, Craig, MPJ. not taking any money back to get the room to sign a max deal. so that means we lose Barton or Plumlee, Lyles, and Millsap for the right to max Butler.

Now there is a way to actually trade for Butler right now without sending anybody out due to the Exception created from the Faried/Arthur deal. We can absorb his salary, which means that all we have to do is send back young players and picks as a package if that is all the Twolves want. However due to the Faried/Arthur trade we cannot send out a 1st round pick for 7 years. Now personally I am not giving up Murray/ Harris/ Jokic/ or MPJ for a rental as there is no way Butler is singing an extension, and I doubt that Beasley/ Lyles/ Juancho/ and Craig are going to get them excited. So Butler would have to pull the same thing as Melo did and Kawhi's trying and say he is only coming here, and even then I doubt the Twolves settle for our package.

[lars_rosenberg]

Landing him as a free agent isn't easy with more attractive teams that will pursue him.
If Denver was a perennial playoff team there may be a chance, but at this point it is not.
Trading him now and hoping for him to stay just like OKC did for PG may be a bet that Denver is willing to take.
I don't know what Minnesota could be interested in, though. Probably Porter Jr.

Very ignorant thing to say IMO. Paul Millsap looked at the potential of this team and signed, so it is a free agent destination. Your suggesting because DEN is a not a perennial playoff team would easily eliminate the Lakers and Knicks too but I feel like they're both possibilities. Perhaps you could just look into that crystal ball and share what the lotto numbers are as well .

And I don't see the Nuggets giving up MPJ especially when it looks like Butler is either a bit of a team malcontent or just ready to leave MIN because they have underachieving young stars, which BTW is just opposite of the DEN young stars. And while I like Butler as a well-rounded player, not sure the Nuggets pursue him, he has shown to be disruptive on both teams he's been don't on and we really don't need a diva here. But that's just my opinion.

Millsap is not a superstar and he signed with Denver because no other decent team was giving him 30 millions per season.
Butler will have plenty of offers and it's very unlikely that he will choose to play for a non-playoff team when he can join LeBron in Los Angeles or go other good teams. This could change if Denver finishes top 4 in the west this season, but this is far from a sure thing.

[The Rebel]

Landing him as a free agent isn't easy with more attractive teams that will pursue him.
If Denver was a perennial playoff team there may be a chance, but at this point it is not.
Trading him now and hoping for him to stay just like OKC did for PG may be a bet that Denver is willing to take.
I don't know what Minnesota could be interested in, though. Probably Porter Jr.

Very ignorant thing to say IMO. Paul Millsap looked at the potential of this team and signed, so it is a free agent destination. Your suggesting because DEN is a not a perennial playoff team would easily eliminate the Lakers and Knicks too but I feel like they're both possibilities. Perhaps you could just look into that crystal ball and share what the lotto numbers are as well .

And I don't see the Nuggets giving up MPJ especially when it looks like Butler is either a bit of a team malcontent or just ready to leave MIN because they have underachieving young stars, which BTW is just opposite of the DEN young stars. And while I like Butler as a well-rounded player, not sure the Nuggets pursue him, he has shown to be disruptive on both teams he's been don't on and we really don't need a diva here. But that's just my opinion.

Millsap is not a superstar and he signed with Denver because no other decent team was giving him 30 millions per season.
Butler will have plenty of offers and it's very unlikely that he will choose to play for a non-playoff team when he can join LeBron in Los Angeles or go other good teams. This could change if Denver finishes top 4 in the west this season, but this is far from a sure thing.

So wait, the Lakers are a playoff team but the Nuggets aren't? Every analyst I have read has flat said that if Lebron was making a basketball decision in free agency he would have came to Denver. As far as Butler goes, we will not have the cap space to sign him but acting like the Nuggets are not an attractive destination with a great future just tells me that you do not know enough about the roster to even be making comments in here.

[NuggetsWY]

Landing him as a free agent isn't easy with more attractive teams that will pursue him.
If Denver was a perennial playoff team there may be a chance, but at this point it is not.
Trading him now and hoping for him to stay just like OKC did for PG may be a bet that Denver is willing to take.
I don't know what Minnesota could be interested in, though. Probably Porter Jr.

Very ignorant thing to say IMO. Paul Millsap looked at the potential of this team and signed, so it is a free agent destination. Your suggesting because DEN is a not a perennial playoff team would easily eliminate the Lakers and Knicks too but I feel like they're both possibilities. Perhaps you could just look into that crystal ball and share what the lotto numbers are as well .

And I don't see the Nuggets giving up MPJ especially when it looks like Butler is either a bit of a team malcontent or just ready to leave MIN because they have underachieving young stars, which BTW is just opposite of the DEN young stars. And while I like Butler as a well-rounded player, not sure the Nuggets pursue him, he has shown to be disruptive on both teams he's been don't on and we really don't need a diva here. But that's just my opinion.

Millsap is not a superstar and he signed with Denver because no other decent team was giving him 30 millions per season.
Butler will have plenty of offers and it's very unlikely that he will choose to play for a non-playoff team when he can join LeBron in Los Angeles or go other good teams. This could change if Denver finishes top 4 in the west this season, but this is far from a sure thing.

"Non-playoff team"? Denver? They were missing Millsap for half the season and Harris missed a few weeks during the stretch and they almost made the playoffs. Nope, go back and study your material. Then we can have a conversation.

[U hova]

I am still not sold on adding Butler, especially now that he is on an expiring contract. 2 stops in a row he has now reportedly had issues in the locker room. I would take him for free, but I don't think I would give up much to get him, and I damn sure am not giving up any of the young core.

I'd give up Plumlee and Barton for him, but we might be giving up too much...

[lars_rosenberg]

So wait, the Lakers are a playoff team but the Nuggets aren't? Every analyst I have read has flat said that if Lebron was making a basketball decision in free agency he would have came to Denver. As far as Butler goes, we will not have the cap space to sign him but acting like the Nuggets are not an attractive destination with a great future just tells me that you do not know enough about the roster to even be making comments in here.

Who said the Lakers are a playoff team? They are the most valuable NBA franchise, they have more appeal than Denver. If LeBron has to lose against the Warriors he will rather do it in the warm Los Angeles than in the cold Denver.
Denver is a smaller market so it can compete with Los Angeles only if it has a winning team.

"Non-playoff team"? Denver? They were missing Millsap for half the season and Harris missed a few weeks during the stretch and they almost made the playoffs. Nope, go back and study your material. Then we can have a conversation.

Facts.
The Nuggets didn't make the playoffs for 5 years in a row. Injuries happen to everyone.
Minnesota had Butler out and they made it to the playoffs, San Antonio had Kawhi out and they made the playoffs, New Orleans had Boogie out and they made the playoffs, Utah had Gobert out and they made the playoffs.
Denver didn't.

I am still not sold on adding Butler, especially now that he is on an expiring contract. 2 stops in a row he has now reportedly had issues in the locker room. I would take him for free, but I don't think I would give up much to get him, and I damn sure am not giving up any of the young core.

I'd give up Plumlee and Barton for him, but we might be giving up too much...

Plumlee, while still a decent player, is a negative asset because of his contract.
Barton may have some value, but his new contract doesn't make him a bargain anymore and I don't think it's enough for Butler + dump Plumlee. I don't even know if you can trade him now because you just signed him.

[skywalker33]

Landing him as a free agent isn't easy with more attractive teams that will pursue him.
If Denver was a perennial playoff team there may be a chance, but at this point it is not.
Trading him now and hoping for him to stay just like OKC did for PG may be a bet that Denver is willing to take.
I don't know what Minnesota could be interested in, though. Probably Porter Jr.

Very ignorant thing to say IMO. Paul Millsap looked at the potential of this team and signed, so it is a free agent destination. Your suggesting because DEN is a not a perennial playoff team would easily eliminate the Lakers and Knicks too but I feel like they're both possibilities. Perhaps you could just look into that crystal ball and share what the lotto numbers are as well .

And I don't see the Nuggets giving up MPJ especially when it looks like Butler is either a bit of a team malcontent or just ready to leave MIN because they have underachieving young stars, which BTW is just opposite of the DEN young stars. And while I like Butler as a well-rounded player, not sure the Nuggets pursue him, he has shown to be disruptive on both teams he's been don't on and we really don't need a diva here. But that's just my opinion.

Millsap is not a superstar and he signed with Denver because no other decent team was giving him 30 millions per season.
Butler will have plenty of offers and it's very unlikely that he will choose to play for a non-playoff team when he can join LeBron in Los Angeles or go other good teams. This could change if Denver finishes top 4 in the west this season, but this is far from a sure thing.

Millsap was a 4x All-Star prior to getting to Denver, trying to de-value him is stupid, he had other opportunities and DEN got him on a great team-friendly contract

Sure, I expect Butler to get quite a few offers, but the Lakers have missed the playoffs just as much as the Nuggets have. Yes they have LeBron but they have a 34yo LBJ, he will begin slowing down sooner than will any of DEN's core. And by all means, the only reason the Lakers have any young talent is the Commish just "happened" to give the 2nd pick in the draft two years in a row, convenient huh ?? Our core hasn't even reached their prime, but I do have to add LBJ did just have one of his best career years, but is that because he had to ????

You trying to diminish Denver because they haven't made the playoffs really is pathetic, bordering on trolling. Considering we've missed the playoffs by ONE game the past two seasons with how young this team is says a lot more than you're willing to give credit .

[U hova]

The way I see it Jimmy is
1: tired of organizations that throw players under the bus when things don't go their way.
2: tired of organizations abundant with fake talent like Wiggins and KAT

And not that I'm necessarily proud of it, but this front office does at the very least take care of it's players.

Back in Chris Paul's free agency, we were one of the teams he was planning on meeting - of course it ultimately did not even get to that point, but players around the league know about what is happening in Denver and are interested in joining.

Butler is showing interest in Denver. If we hold up our end of the bargain and play well then I don't see why we can't be in the discussion next free agency period.