Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Weird out of the box deal.

Bulls trade Lopez, Portis, future 2nd round pick

Hornets trade MKG, Hernangomez

Bulls get a solid defensive wing to start and allow Jabari to come off the bench. Hernangomez is a young big worth a look.

Dunn, Denzel
Lavine, Denzel
MKG, Parker, Hutch
Lauri, Parker
WCJ, Hernangomez

[Dan Z]

Weird out of the box deal.

Bulls trade Lopez, Portis, future 2nd round pick

Hornets trade MKG, Hernangomez

Bulls get a solid defensive wing to start and allow Jabari to come off the bench. Hernangomez is a young big worth a look.

Dunn, Denzel
Lavine, Denzel
MKG, Parker, Hutch
Lauri, Parker
WCJ, Hernangomez

I can't get past MKG's shooting. Last year in 74 games he attempted zero three point shots. He didn't even try to take them (for his career he shoots them at .194). I know three point shooting is only one aspect to basketball, but I think his lack of a shot limits him (and the team overall).

Lopez is a good, solid vet and Portis brings energy to the team. I'd rather keep them in this trade scenario.

[wonderboy2]

Weird out of the box deal.

Bulls trade Lopez, Portis, future 2nd round pick

Hornets trade MKG, Hernangomez

Bulls get a solid defensive wing to start and allow Jabari to come off the bench. Hernangomez is a young big worth a look.

Dunn, Denzel
Lavine, Denzel
MKG, Parker, Hutch
Lauri, Parker
WCJ, Hernangomez

I can't get past MKG's shooting. Last year in 74 games he attempted zero three point shots. He didn't even try to take them (for his career he shoots them at .194). I know three point shooting is only one aspect to basketball, but I think his lack of a shot limits him (and the team overall).

Lopez is a good, solid vet and Portis brings energy to the team. I'd rather keep them in this trade scenario.

I rather have David Nwaba then MKG.

[petebraun0]

How can we get rid of Felicio, Holiday, Zipser and Archie?...they don't belong here anymore.

zipser has been waived or released. archie is a small two way contract, not really on team. Holiday is good, and will net a trade at the trade deadline. Felicio can lose weight, and play okay. He just has to slim down and play his best. He'll never see the court anyway.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Holiday to N.O. for 19' and 21' second round picks? (we already have the rights to swap 2nd round picks in 2021.)

Lets us re-sign Nwaba without over stacking the wing depth

[Nate3carp]

I wonder how much Melo would take on a buy-out. He’s making 27.9 mil and could get the tax payer MLE from Rockets of 5.3 mil. That could reduce a buyout to 22.6 without him losing any money. If he was willing to chip in by letting us buy him out for 19 or so, we could still do a melo for Felicio deal, take whatever asset gained from that and send Asik and the asset to Sacramento and then sign Jabari to his deal and Nwaba to the room MLE. No way GarPax could pull that off tho.

[KevinPandawong]

Is it still too late to trade Lopez and Holiday for 2nd rounders this draft? Holiday for Melton, Lopez for Bates-Diop. Boy oh boy if only we had at least 1 of them to shore up defense off the bench on cheap contracts...

But seriously, we should look to package Asik+Holiday+Portis for Noah+1st. I think they're a bit overconfident with their draft picks and desperate to move Noah for Kyrie and Jimmy. If Portis and the Bulls couldn't come to terms this offseason, I'm concerned he's going to be too expensive to keep. Bulls come away looking like the next up and coming team adding two-lotto picks at the sacrifice to a 2019 pipe-dream. Sign Rondo to a contract he'll retire on and pray he can teach Dunn how to be an effective floor general.

Lopez+Payne for Deng+2 1st? is another deal I'd like and they can both be done. It's opportunistic moves like these that separate Boston and Houston from the rest of the league.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5pszxq

[terry]

So with Parker we have 13 players (not counting our 2 way players).

Who do we sign to fill out the roster?

Maybe a veteran that doesn’t require a lot of minutes?

Vince Carter, Joe Johnson, Jason Terry maybe?

[wonderboy2]

So with Parker we have 13 players (not counting our 2 way players).

Who do we sign to fill out the roster?

Maybe a veteran that doesn’t require a lot of minutes?

Vince Carter, Joe Johnson, Jason Terry maybe?

I’m hoping David Nawaba and a back up point guard.

[WICKED17]

Bulls Out... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday
In... Melo, Abrines

OKC Out... Melo, Abrines 1st ( next availible, top 12 protected )
In... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday

This step of dumping Felicio completely from next years books is extremely important for having the ability to put together a true contender in the near future. As early as next summer as a matter of fact, via additional big name moves. (Kyrie, Butler, Davis) And i guarantee our F.O. knows this. Melo gets bought out.

For OKC they save tens upon tens of milllions now, while returning 2 players which fit their win now mode perfectly. Portis starts at PF, would be their best back up C as well. Holiday becomes their first guy of the bench subbing for Roberson, only Holiday can stroke the 3, opening up floor spacing so the first unit isn`t constantly playing 5 on 4. Felicio & Asik are stretched.

This trade accomplishes exactly what both teams need. Note.. this trade is with in 10k of salary restrictions. So it has to be exactly as proposed.

Thoughts? Questions

[Chitownbulls]

Sign Jahlil Okafor or Alex Len to play backup C....Lopez, Felicio, an Asik dont have futures with the Bulls

Sign David Nwaba or Vince Carter

Sign Antonio Blakeney to a multi year deal

[ChettheJet]

Bulls Out... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday
In... Melo, Abrines

OKC Out... Melo, Abrines 1st ( next availible, top 12 protected )
In... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday

This step of dumping Felicio completely from next years books is extremely important for having the ability to put together a true contender in the near future. As early as next summer as a matter of fact, via additional big name moves. (Kyrie, Butler, Davis) And i guarantee our F.O. knows this. Melo gets bought out.

For OKC they save tens upon tens of milllions now, while returning 2 players which fit their win now mode perfectly. Portis starts at PF, would be their best back up C as well. Holiday becomes their first guy of the bench subbing for Roberson, only Holiday can stroke the 3, opening up floor spacing so the first unit isn`t constantly playing 5 on 4. Felicio & Asik are stretched.

This trade accomplishes exactly what both teams need. Note.. this trade is with in 10k of salary restrictions. So it has to be exactly as proposed.

Thoughts? Questions

I guess they can get to Melo's buyout with Felicio, Asik and somebody else but at this point I don't think the Rockets are really going to be all that enthused about Portis and Holiday for one year. And probably not giving up a 1st to do it. It looks like they really need a starting center, but that's not either guy they get from CHI. Maybe they somehow keep Capela which would mean they just take minimum guys to fill the roster because Portis and Holiday are only like $10M together but they have to pay several times that in luxury tax for minimal contributors.

The Bulls don't have to rush to clear Felicio this summer. Who knows what might happen at the deadline this year somebody could be desperate for a 5 or before the draft the Bulls could trade down and the price would be taking Felicio. To give up 2 useful players for this year, who could ether get traded for some value or even resigned to rush a guy out of town just doesn't make sense.

[Nate3carp]

Bulls Out... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday
In... Melo, Abrines

OKC Out... Melo, Abrines 1st ( next availible, top 12 protected )
In... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday

This step of dumping Felicio completely from next years books is extremely important for having the ability to put together a true contender in the near future. As early as next summer as a matter of fact, via additional big name moves. (Kyrie, Butler, Davis) And i guarantee our F.O. knows this. Melo gets bought out.

For OKC they save tens upon tens of milllions now, while returning 2 players which fit their win now mode perfectly. Portis starts at PF, would be their best back up C as well. Holiday becomes their first guy of the bench subbing for Roberson, only Holiday can stroke the 3, opening up floor spacing so the first unit isn`t constantly playing 5 on 4. Felicio & Asik are stretched.

This trade accomplishes exactly what both teams need. Note.. this trade is with in 10k of salary restrictions. So it has to be exactly as proposed.

Thoughts? Questions

I guess they can get to Melo's buyout with Felicio, Asik and somebody else but at this point I don't think the Rockets are really going to be all that enthused about Portis and Holiday for one year. And probably not giving up a 1st to do it. It looks like they really need a starting center, but that's not either guy they get from CHI. Maybe they somehow keep Capela which would mean they just take minimum guys to fill the roster because Portis and Holiday are only like $10M together but they have to pay several times that in luxury tax for minimal contributors.

The Bulls don't have to rush to clear Felicio this summer. Who knows what might happen at the deadline this year somebody could be desperate for a 5 or before the draft the Bulls could trade down and the price would be taking Felicio. To give up 2 useful players for this year, who could ether get traded for some value or even resigned to rush a guy out of town just doesn't make sense.

The trade has nothing to do with Houston. ??

[WICKED17]

Bulls Out... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday
In... Melo, Abrines

OKC Out... Melo, Abrines 1st ( next availible, top 12 protected )
In... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday

This step of dumping Felicio completely from next years books is extremely important for having the ability to put together a true contender in the near future. As early as next summer as a matter of fact, via additional big name moves. (Kyrie, Butler, Davis) And i guarantee our F.O. knows this. Melo gets bought out.

For OKC they save tens upon tens of milllions now, while returning 2 players which fit their win now mode perfectly. Portis starts at PF, would be their best back up C as well. Holiday becomes their first guy of the bench subbing for Roberson, only Holiday can stroke the 3, opening up floor spacing so the first unit isn`t constantly playing 5 on 4. Felicio & Asik are stretched.

This trade accomplishes exactly what both teams need. Note.. this trade is with in 10k of salary restrictions. So it has to be exactly as proposed.

Thoughts? Questions

I guess they can get to Melo's buyout with Felicio, Asik and somebody else but at this point I don't think the Rockets are really going to be all that enthused about Portis and Holiday for one year. And probably not giving up a 1st to do it. It looks like they really need a starting center, but that's not either guy they get from CHI. Maybe they somehow keep Capela which would mean they just take minimum guys to fill the roster because Portis and Holiday are only like $10M together but they have to pay several times that in luxury tax for minimal contributors.

The Bulls don't have to rush to clear Felicio this summer. Who knows what might happen at the deadline this year somebody could be desperate for a 5 or before the draft the Bulls could trade down and the price would be taking Felicio. To give up 2 useful players for this year, who could ether get traded for some value or even resigned to rush a guy out of town just doesn't make sense.

The trade has nothing to do with Houston. ??[/quote]

Correct. He`ll likely end up there after buyout but the proposal does not include Houston.

[WICKED17]

Bulls Out... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday
In... Melo, Abrines

OKC Out... Melo, Abrines 1st ( next availible, top 12 protected )
In... Felicio, Asik, Portis, Holiday

This step of dumping Felicio completely from next years books is extremely important for having the ability to put together a true contender in the near future. As early as next summer as a matter of fact, via additional big name moves. (Kyrie, Butler, Davis) And i guarantee our F.O. knows this. Melo gets bought out.

For OKC they save tens upon tens of milllions now, while returning 2 players which fit their win now mode perfectly. Portis starts at PF, would be their best back up C as well. Holiday becomes their first guy of the bench subbing for Roberson, only Holiday can stroke the 3, opening up floor spacing so the first unit isn`t constantly playing 5 on 4. Felicio & Asik are stretched.

This trade accomplishes exactly what both teams need. Note.. this trade is with in 10k of salary restrictions. So it has to be exactly as proposed.

Thoughts? Questions

I guess they can get to Melo's buyout with Felicio, Asik and somebody else but at this point I don't think the Rockets are really going to be all that enthused about Portis and Holiday for one year. And probably not giving up a 1st to do it. It looks like they really need a starting center, but that's not either guy they get from CHI. Maybe they somehow keep Capela which would mean they just take minimum guys to fill the roster because Portis and Holiday are only like $10M together but they have to pay several times that in luxury tax for minimal contributors.

The Bulls don't have to rush to clear Felicio this summer. Who knows what might happen at the deadline this year somebody could be desperate for a 5 or before the draft the Bulls could trade down and the price would be taking Felicio. To give up 2 useful players for this year, who could ether get traded for some value or even resigned to rush a guy out of town just doesn't make sense.

I hear what you`re say but i think you may have misunderstood my proposal. Houston was not involved, though i agree after we buy him out Melo would likely make his way there. The value we`d get in return for trading Portis & Holiday in this fashion is

1. Wiping Felicio completely off our books next summer ( IMO this is our best opportunity all things considered )
2. My proposal had us returning a future protected 1st
3. Gives us the ability to get to within being only 1M short per player of their max 32.4M salary, so Kryrie & Butler both @ 31.4M via capspace.
4. With leverage applied by Davis to his New Orleans team ( simular to Leonaed/ Spurs) we could then offer LaVine, Carter, our `19 1st (#10-#12ish), OKC future 1st, `21 1st along with non gauranteed filler for Davis, and a salary dump of Hill
5. Super team complete... we `d have the ability to accomplish the above things. But we need his roster spot and salary completely off the books. Portis`s roster spot would be filled with another non gaurantedd salary as well.

[Ccwatercraft]

So with Parker we have 13 players (not counting our 2 way players).

Who do we sign to fill out the roster?

Maybe a veteran that doesn’t require a lot of minutes?

Vince Carter, Joe Johnson, Jason Terry maybe?

a really good question.

I I am not sure regarding our free agent money freedom but I thought we had two exceptions left the mle and another, and some TPE's? Just not sure if anything changes with Parker's signing.

I guess you could question the value of any of those three signings probably as easily as you could validate any of those three?

I guess this would be a question for the cap experts is wouldn't this be the appropriate time to spend whatever exceptions and money we can before we have to start extending these rookies. The window is fairly narrow is far as figuring out what we're going to do before all these contracts come up.

I'm just pretty hesitant to expect tha the front office would jump in with both feet first before we start extending these young kid as they come due. We have seven really cheap players on a roster that are all expected to be part of our rotation this year. They won't be cheap for long.

one thing that the teams that went deep into the playoffs have in common is thst they are spending money.

Will the front office dive deeper or are we expecting just vet minimums at this point

[logical_art]

Oubre, Mahinmi, future 1st rd pick for Portis and Lopez.

[realEAST]

One out of the blue box idea: Jaylen Brown for Markkanen?

Both teams get better fitting players, while keeping same talent level - allows us to move Parker to a more natural PF position and play Brown at SF, while Boston get a long term big man solution who is able to play along Horford too.

[sco]

One out of the blue box idea: Jaylen Brown for Markkanen?

Both teams get better fitting players, while keeping same talent level - allows us to move Parker to a more natural PF position and play Brown at SF, while Boston get a long term big man solution who is able to play along Horford too.

I know neither team would actually do this, but yeah - I would. I love Brown and, forget about Parker, Portis next to Carter would be good.

That said, I am optimistic (while not confident) that Hutchinson could be a perfect glue guy going forward. Dunn, Lavine, Hutch, Lauri, WCJ theoretically has good balance. 4 good defenders, 2 good play makers, 4 3pt shooters...

[BigJimFinn]

One out of the blue box idea: Jaylen Brown for Markkanen?

Both teams get better fitting players, while keeping same talent level - allows us to move Parker to a more natural PF position and play Brown at SF, while Boston get a long term big man solution who is able to play along Horford too.

Great idea for all, very unlikely to happen. There might have been comparable trades, where two highly valued young talents between one and two years into their rookie contracts were traded straight up for each other, but I cannot think of any.