Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

[celticfan42487]

I would wait a week and then rescind is QO.

Why? You want to just let him go?

Said that is not possible right now it would have pro and cons, pros would be that you can work on finalizing the roster without anything pending, you won’t be taking back a disgruntled Smart that will use all his opportunities to show he is good on offense, you won’t have someone potentially pulling something stupid and injury himself, you won’t have to think about his contract next year when you have to focus on Kyrie’s and TRoz contracts. Cons would be you lose a defensive stopper that makes you plays in the clutch.

I think him being an expiring next year helps with TRoz and Irving. Just as like a backup option that you know what you're getting with or if Troz doesn't get a big enough offer sheet then you let him go.

[ermocrate]

Why? You want to just let him go?

Said that is not possible right now it would have pro and cons, pros would be that you can work on finalizing the roster without anything pending, you won’t be taking back a disgruntled Smart that will use all his opportunities to show he is good on offense, you won’t have someone potentially pulling something stupid and injury himself, you won’t have to think about his contract next year when you have to focus on Kyrie’s and TRoz contracts. Cons would be you lose a defensive stopper that makes you plays in the clutch.

I think him being an expiring next year helps with TRoz and Irving. Just as like a backup option that you know what you're getting with or if Troz doesn't get a big enough offer sheet then you let him go.

Next year I think he is gone anyway if he decides to pick up the QO, I don’t think he would be a willing to stay here if we don’t give him the contract he thinks he deserves... The guy should be in the gym working his AO instead of going around talking to teams.

[cloverleaf]

Why? You want to just let him go?

Said that is not possible right now it would have pro and cons, pros would be that you can work on finalizing the roster without anything pending, you won’t be taking back a disgruntled Smart that will use all his opportunities to show he is good on offense, you won’t have someone potentially pulling something stupid and injury himself, you won’t have to think about his contract next year when you have to focus on Kyrie’s and TRoz contracts. Cons would be you lose a defensive stopper that makes you plays in the clutch.

I think him being an expiring next year helps with TRoz and Irving. Just as like a backup option that you know what you're getting with or if Troz doesn't get a big enough offer sheet then you let him go.

I think TRo and Danny agree to an extension this fall and then TRo only goes if, say, Davis is coming back in return. (Just imagine what Terry's thinking watching this Smart drama after Smart turned down an extension.)

[Moose23]

Said that is not possible right now it would have pro and cons, pros would be that you can work on finalizing the roster without anything pending, you won’t be taking back a disgruntled Smart that will use all his opportunities to show he is good on offense, you won’t have someone potentially pulling something stupid and injury himself, you won’t have to think about his contract next year when you have to focus on Kyrie’s and TRoz contracts. Cons would be you lose a defensive stopper that makes you plays in the clutch.

I think him being an expiring next year helps with TRoz and Irving. Just as like a backup option that you know what you're getting with or if Troz doesn't get a big enough offer sheet then you let him go.

Next year I think he is gone anyway if he decides to pick up the QO, I don’t think he would be a willing to stay here if we don’t give him the contract he thinks he deserves... The guy should be in the gym working his AO instead of going around talking to teams.

Does he talk to other teams 24 hours a day?

Or is it possible to work out amd talk to other teams.

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[celticfan42487]

Said that is not possible right now it would have pro and cons, pros would be that you can work on finalizing the roster without anything pending, you won’t be taking back a disgruntled Smart that will use all his opportunities to show he is good on offense, you won’t have someone potentially pulling something stupid and injury himself, you won’t have to think about his contract next year when you have to focus on Kyrie’s and TRoz contracts. Cons would be you lose a defensive stopper that makes you plays in the clutch.

I think him being an expiring next year helps with TRoz and Irving. Just as like a backup option that you know what you're getting with or if Troz doesn't get a big enough offer sheet then you let him go.

I think TRo and Danny agree to an extension this fall and then TRo only goes if, say, Davis is coming back in return. (Just imagine what Terry's thinking watching this Smart drama after Smart turned down an extension.)

I think Terry will have a much more robust market than Smart does. It's really easy to add Terry to any system and he'll work out because he can blow by his man and is an a fantastic 3 point shooter as well as being a good defensive player.

You can just plug him on any team either as a starter or your 6th man and he'll produce.

[ermocrate]

I think him being an expiring next year helps with TRoz and Irving. Just as like a backup option that you know what you're getting with or if Troz doesn't get a big enough offer sheet then you let him go.

Next year I think he is gone anyway if he decides to pick up the QO, I don’t think he would be a willing to stay here if we don’t give him the contract he thinks he deserves... The guy should be in the gym working his AO instead of going around talking to teams.

Does he talk to other teams 24 hours a day?

Or is it possible to work out amd talk to other teams.

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He has to train 12 hours per day either physically, technically or mentally, the other 12 hours he has to eat, sleep and have a little bit of fun. There’s really no point in him talking with teams like he is begging.

[cloverleaf]

I think him being an expiring next year helps with TRoz and Irving. Just as like a backup option that you know what you're getting with or if Troz doesn't get a big enough offer sheet then you let him go.

I think TRo and Danny agree to an extension this fall and then TRo only goes if, say, Davis is coming back in return. (Just imagine what Terry's thinking watching this Smart drama after Smart turned down an extension.)

I think Terry will have a much more robust market than Smart does. It's really easy to add Terry to any system and he'll work out because he can blow by his man and is an a fantastic 3 point shooter as well as being a good defensive player.

You can just plug him on any team either as a starter or your 6th man and he'll produce.

He also projects as a high-upside starter in the league.

[celticfan42487]

I know some of this is on me.

But the frequency I check in on this board, for this thread, to find there is no new update leads me to believe that I'll shortly lose my mind if this keeps going on.

I don't even care that much. This isn't even one of our all-stars. We might lose him regardless in the future.

But damn. I can see it now, the Kings are going to keep their 10 million as the only game in town for a dissapointing team or someone who lost their all-star and will ship a first round pick with an expiring contract to avoid the luxury tax.

And Smart won't sign him qualifying offer with us until the very last day, all the while having his agent leaking out that he's going to take 25 million for Real Madrid's basketball team or something.

The next month and a half is going to be BRUTAL.

[Shak_Celts]

Why is everyone so afraid of Smart walking? We have him next season. If he doesn't play well for us then that's a knock on his next contract, that doesn't hurt us unless there are a lot of injuries again, because CBS can SIT HIM! He has to play well next season or he's getting short money, so don't be fooled into thinking he will try and sabotage things. I still don't believe he is as critical as he once was because of the makeup of the team now, but he is definitely a guy you want on your team. We need a dog but it's not like Smart is the only one.


I used to think you pay these guys whatever they want (within reason) and keep them any way we can, but over these last few seasons, I have realised that these guys just aren't as crucial to the Celtics being good. It seems like CBS will keep the boat sailing no matter who is out there.

A lot of people will say "we can't win it all without Smart, pay him what he wants," but like me, they will realise that one man won't stop us. Before last season, I probably would be in here panicking about us not paying him. But it took a tsunami through the team to stop us last season and that happened in game 7 of the ECF!

We are going to reign supreme if we are healthy! I don't care about Cousins! Go Celtics!!

[cloverleaf]

Why is everyone so afraid of Smart walking? We have him next season. If he doesn't play well for us then that's a knock on his next contract, that doesn't hurt us unless there are a lot of injuries again, because CBS can SIT HIM! He has to play well next season or he's getting short money, so don't be fooled into thinking he will try and sabotage things. I still don't believe he is as critical as he once was because of the makeup of the team now, but he is definitely a guy you want on your team. We need a dog but it's not like Smart is the only one.


I used to think you pay these guys whatever they want (within reason) and keep them any way we can, but over these last few seasons, I have realised that these guys just aren't as crucial to the Celtics being good. It seems like CBS will keep the boat sailing no matter who is out there.

A lot of people will say "we can't win it all without Smart, pay him what he wants," but like me, they will realise that one man won't stop us. Before last season, I probably would be in here panicking about us not paying him. But it took a tsunami through the team to stop us last season and that happened in game 7 of the ECF!

We are going to reign supreme if we are healthy! I don't care about Cousins! Go Celtics!!

I am convinced the C"s don't need both the Marci next season. I think they have enough players who can play D without them both drastically dragging down their shooting efficiency.

[Shak_Celts]

Why is everyone so afraid of Smart walking? We have him next season. If he doesn't play well for us then that's a knock on his next contract, that doesn't hurt us unless there are a lot of injuries again, because CBS can SIT HIM! He has to play well next season or he's getting short money, so don't be fooled into thinking he will try and sabotage things. I still don't believe he is as critical as he once was because of the makeup of the team now, but he is definitely a guy you want on your team. We need a dog but it's not like Smart is the only one.


I used to think you pay these guys whatever they want (within reason) and keep them any way we can, but over these last few seasons, I have realised that these guys just aren't as crucial to the Celtics being good. It seems like CBS will keep the boat sailing no matter who is out there.

A lot of people will say "we can't win it all without Smart, pay him what he wants," but like me, they will realise that one man won't stop us. Before last season, I probably would be in here panicking about us not paying him. But it took a tsunami through the team to stop us last season and that happened in game 7 of the ECF!

We are going to reign supreme if we are healthy! I don't care about Cousins! Go Celtics!!

I am convinced the C"s don't need both the Marci next season. I think they have enough players who can play D without them both drastically dragging down their shooting efficiency.

I would love to keep both of them though.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I know some of this is on me.

But the frequency I check in on this board, for this thread, to find there is no new update leads me to believe that I'll shortly lose my mind if this keeps going on.

I don't even care that much. This isn't even one of our all-stars. We might lose him regardless in the future.

But damn. I can see it now, the Kings are going to keep their 10 million as the only game in town for a dissapointing team or someone who lost their all-star and will ship a first round pick with an expiring contract to avoid the luxury tax.

And Smart won't sign him qualifying offer with us until the very last day, all the while having his agent leaking out that he's going to take 25 million for Real Madrid's basketball team or something.

The next month and a half is going to be BRUTAL.

Maybe Happy Walters isn't in panic mode but he may be close especially after Smart rejected the Celtics offer last year. Smart bet on himself then then follows that up by punching a picture frame and missing a bunch of games. He comes back and injures his thumb and missed more games.

If Happy pulls the whole "Smart is going to Real Madrid" Ainge will Say good luck and hang up the phone. That BS won't work with Ainge.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I had an argument last week with some guy on the Nets board. I pretty much told them that Smart's agent was leaking info as a means to gain leverage, to which this poster called me "obtuse" for pretending to know what Sean Marks was planning to do with their cap space. Well, shortly after, the Nets ended up dealing for Faried and Arthur. Lol. I really thought I was done arguing with Nets fans after we traded their pick for Kyrie, but at least it was a nice change of pace from the usual "We're not going to be as bad as you guys think we are" shtick that they usually gave us. WIth that being said, it looks like next year's war cry from their board will be "We have a chance to sign Kyrie!".

Anyhow, Smart's got no options left. The Kings have no reason to sign him since they've got Fox and Bodanovic. I'm not sure why Walters is dragging this on. Just sign the QO and let's roll. Ainge's offer is not going to get any bigger the closer we get to the start of the season, nor is it likely that we are going to see teams clear enough cap space to make an offer sheet big enough that the Celtics won't match.

[SichtingLives]

Why is everyone so afraid of Smart walking? We have him next season. If he doesn't play well for us then that's a knock on his next contract, that doesn't hurt us unless there are a lot of injuries again, because CBS can SIT HIM! He has to play well next season or he's getting short money, so don't be fooled into thinking he will try and sabotage things. I still don't believe he is as critical as he once was because of the makeup of the team now, but he is definitely a guy you want on your team. We need a dog but it's not like Smart is the only one.


I used to think you pay these guys whatever they want (within reason) and keep them any way we can, but over these last few seasons, I have realised that these guys just aren't as crucial to the Celtics being good. It seems like CBS will keep the boat sailing no matter who is out there.

A lot of people will say "we can't win it all without Smart, pay him what he wants," but like me, they will realise that one man won't stop us. Before last season, I probably would be in here panicking about us not paying him. But it took a tsunami through the team to stop us last season and that happened in game 7 of the ECF!

We are going to reign supreme if we are healthy! I don't care about Cousins! Go Celtics!!

I am convinced the C"s don't need both the Marci next season. I think they have enough players who can play D without them both drastically dragging down their shooting efficiency.

I'm more convinced at this point that Danny didn't want him back. If it gets to where we're the only ones bidding, we'll sign him but it really looks like Ainge was wishing someone would've taken him off our hands. If it were really a matter of difference between 10 or 11 or 12 mil a year he'd be signed by now. There could be quite a few reasons for this but Danny for sure isn't nearly as sentimental towards role players as we are on this forum if you check his long history of shedding them continually.

[celticfan42487]

Why is everyone so afraid of Smart walking? We have him next season. If he doesn't play well for us then that's a knock on his next contract, that doesn't hurt us unless there are a lot of injuries again, because CBS can SIT HIM! He has to play well next season or he's getting short money, so don't be fooled into thinking he will try and sabotage things. I still don't believe he is as critical as he once was because of the makeup of the team now, but he is definitely a guy you want on your team. We need a dog but it's not like Smart is the only one.


I used to think you pay these guys whatever they want (within reason) and keep them any way we can, but over these last few seasons, I have realised that these guys just aren't as crucial to the Celtics being good. It seems like CBS will keep the boat sailing no matter who is out there.

A lot of people will say "we can't win it all without Smart, pay him what he wants," but like me, they will realise that one man won't stop us. Before last season, I probably would be in here panicking about us not paying him. But it took a tsunami through the team to stop us last season and that happened in game 7 of the ECF!

We are going to reign supreme if we are healthy! I don't care about Cousins! Go Celtics!!

I am convinced the C"s don't need both the Marci next season. I think they have enough players who can play D without them both drastically dragging down their shooting efficiency.

I'm more convinced at this point that Danny didn't want him back. If it gets to where we're the only ones bidding, we'll sign him but it really looks like Ainge was wishing someone would've taken him off our hands. If it were really a matter of difference between 10 or 11 or 12 mil a year he'd be signed by now. There could be quite a few reasons for this but Danny for sure isn't nearly as sentimental towards role players as we are on this forum if you check his long history of shedding them continually.

Yeah the sunk cost on this board having to defend Smart despite almost zero improvements since he was a rookie and setting the record for the single worst display of chucking 3s the NBA has ever seen has a lot of fallacy support generated for him.

That said I think Ainge just looks at it more from a team building place. Smart was the last really disappointing high draft pick he's made. He's since hit on players that were projected to go much lower (relatively, still top 10 projected) in Brown and Tatum so that miss doesn't matter as much. (and sadly there wasn't much that worked out outside of the top 4 that draft besides Capela and Jokic but everyone missed on them).

So he's taken his losses and moved on. That said, I truly think Ainge and Stevens value and like Smart. Ainge is just a GM and knows the NBA doesn't really revolve around bench players so he's not going to go into the luxury tax for him. Much like how other teams see him as a roleplayer without upside so they're not going to throw the $20 million to get him on their team just in case that they can change their teams fortunes and have a bounce back year like a Lavine and Parker.

I do think Ainge and Stevens like Smart though, just knew he was likely gone this year or next due to our salary situation. If that wasn't an obstacle I'm certain they'd pay him 12 mil a year for 4 years. If we were still a bad team without all-stars like Horford and Hayward on it we'd be resigning Smart. Then we would be doing that, still rebuilding. Still trying.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I am convinced the C"s don't need both the Marci next season. I think they have enough players who can play D without them both drastically dragging down their shooting efficiency.

I'm more convinced at this point that Danny didn't want him back. If it gets to where we're the only ones bidding, we'll sign him but it really looks like Ainge was wishing someone would've taken him off our hands. If it were really a matter of difference between 10 or 11 or 12 mil a year he'd be signed by now. There could be quite a few reasons for this but Danny for sure isn't nearly as sentimental towards role players as we are on this forum if you check his long history of shedding them continually.

Yeah the sunk cost on this board having to defend Smart despite almost zero improvements since he was a rookie and setting the record for the single worst display of chucking 3s the NBA has ever seen has a lot of fallacy support generated for him.

That said I think Ainge just looks at it more from a team building place. Smart was the last really disappointing high draft pick he's made. He's since hit on players that were projected to go much lower (relatively, still top 10 projected) in Brown and Tatum so that miss doesn't matter as much. (and sadly there wasn't much that worked out outside of the top 4 that draft besides Capela and Jokic but everyone missed on them).

So he's taken his losses and moved on. That said, I truly think Ainge and Stevens value and like Smart. Ainge is just a GM and knows the NBA doesn't really revolve around bench players so he's not going to go into the luxury tax for him. Much like how other teams see him as a roleplayer without upside so they're not going to throw the $20 million to get him on their team just in case that they can change their teams fortunes and have a bounce back year like a Lavine and Parker.

I do think Ainge and Stevens like Smart though, just knew he was likely gone this year or next due to our salary situation. If that wasn't an obstacle I'm certain they'd pay him 12 mil a year for 4 years. If we were still a bad team without all-stars like Horford and Hayward on it we'd be resigning Smart. Then we would be doing that, still rebuilding. Still trying.

I do think Ainge does want Smart but at the right cost of course. Beside that I agree with the other points. Smart has shown no improvement offensively and never will. He is completely overvalued here because he plays good defense, flops and dives for loose balls.

As flawed as LaVine is he is at least an exciting player at time. I don't think Parker is worth 20m for a season but he can score. Clearly team are spending money on offense no defense.

Overall though beside Embiid the 2014 draft was pretty underwhelming. Wiggins is okay but Parker, Gordon Exum, Smart and Randle (Ainge should have drafted Randle) have not been great.

[sully00]

Why is everyone so afraid of Smart walking? We have him next season. If he doesn't play well for us then that's a knock on his next contract, that doesn't hurt us unless there are a lot of injuries again, because CBS can SIT HIM! He has to play well next season or he's getting short money, so don't be fooled into thinking he will try and sabotage things. I still don't believe he is as critical as he once was because of the makeup of the team now, but he is definitely a guy you want on your team. We need a dog but it's not like Smart is the only one.


I used to think you pay these guys whatever they want (within reason) and keep them any way we can, but over these last few seasons, I have realised that these guys just aren't as crucial to the Celtics being good. It seems like CBS will keep the boat sailing no matter who is out there.

A lot of people will say "we can't win it all without Smart, pay him what he wants," but like me, they will realise that one man won't stop us. Before last season, I probably would be in here panicking about us not paying him. But it took a tsunami through the team to stop us last season and that happened in game 7 of the ECF!

We are going to reign supreme if we are healthy! I don't care about Cousins! Go Celtics!!

I am convinced the C"s don't need both the Marci next season. I think they have enough players who can play D without them both drastically dragging down their shooting efficiency.

I'm more convinced at this point that Danny didn't want him back. If it gets to where we're the only ones bidding, we'll sign him but it really looks like Ainge was wishing someone would've taken him off our hands. If it were really a matter of difference between 10 or 11 or 12 mil a year he'd be signed by now. There could be quite a few reasons for this but Danny for sure isn't nearly as sentimental towards role players as we are on this forum if you check his long history of shedding them continually.

It isn't an issue of wanting the player back it was the fact that he wants twice as much per year as anyone is willing to pay him. There was never a market for Marcus Smart above the Non Taxpayer MLE of 8.8 mil in year one. If you pay attention to salaries and players and what people are willing to pay for and what they think they can get on a the cheaper end of the pay scale a defensive specialist back up guard does not garner a premium.

9-11 mil a year will get it done I think it gets done. If Smart thinks there is 14-16 mil a season out there for him then he has to prove it whether it is this year or next.

[celticfan42487]

I'm more convinced at this point that Danny didn't want him back. If it gets to where we're the only ones bidding, we'll sign him but it really looks like Ainge was wishing someone would've taken him off our hands. If it were really a matter of difference between 10 or 11 or 12 mil a year he'd be signed by now. There could be quite a few reasons for this but Danny for sure isn't nearly as sentimental towards role players as we are on this forum if you check his long history of shedding them continually.

Yeah the sunk cost on this board having to defend Smart despite almost zero improvements since he was a rookie and setting the record for the single worst display of chucking 3s the NBA has ever seen has a lot of fallacy support generated for him.

That said I think Ainge just looks at it more from a team building place. Smart was the last really disappointing high draft pick he's made. He's since hit on players that were projected to go much lower (relatively, still top 10 projected) in Brown and Tatum so that miss doesn't matter as much. (and sadly there wasn't much that worked out outside of the top 4 that draft besides Capela and Jokic but everyone missed on them).

So he's taken his losses and moved on. That said, I truly think Ainge and Stevens value and like Smart. Ainge is just a GM and knows the NBA doesn't really revolve around bench players so he's not going to go into the luxury tax for him. Much like how other teams see him as a roleplayer without upside so they're not going to throw the $20 million to get him on their team just in case that they can change their teams fortunes and have a bounce back year like a Lavine and Parker.

I do think Ainge and Stevens like Smart though, just knew he was likely gone this year or next due to our salary situation. If that wasn't an obstacle I'm certain they'd pay him 12 mil a year for 4 years. If we were still a bad team without all-stars like Horford and Hayward on it we'd be resigning Smart. Then we would be doing that, still rebuilding. Still trying.

I do think Ainge does want Smart but at the right cost of course. Beside that I agree with the other points. Smart has shown no improvement offensively and never will. He is completely overvalued here because he plays good defense, flops and dives for loose balls.

As flawed as LaVine is he is at least an exciting player at time. I don't think Parker is worth 20m for a season but he can score. Clearly team are spending money on offense no defense.

Overall though beside Embiid the 2014 draft was pretty underwhelming. Wiggins is okay but Parker, Gordon Exum, Smart and Randle (Ainge should have drafted Randle) have not been great.

Yeah, 2014 wasn't great, wasn't horrible. If I had to rank the players I'd give it

Franchise players
Embiid
Jokic

All-star worthy players


Solid young starters
Wiggins
Capela
Aaron Gordon

Rotation players:
Smart
Randle
Saric
Parker (I still believe in him but injuries have been a thing)
Zac Lavine (like Parker, injury is a thing but I think he'll bounce back)
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Kyle Anderson


Anthony Parker and Lavine could jump up a tier if their injuries are flukes. And obviously all these players could change their stars in the next couple of seasons but it seems pretty solidified for the rest of them this is what they are.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

If you like The Price Is Right, you can click this and see Marcus Smart and his salary go up the mountain. Don't worry, he doesn't fall off, although you would if he reached $20million a year.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/how-high-are-you-willing-go-match-marcus-smart-offer-sheet

When Smart's free agency began, Bob Barker was announced as the host of The Price Is Right.



Lots of players signing for numbers under Smart's QO.

I Thomas, MCW, B Lopez, K O'Quinn, T Parker, D Howard, Noel, E Payton, Hezonja, D Rose, G Green, Baynes.


If anyone goes silly and says, "Exum signed for this, it sets the market value", no.


He can be Brian Shaw and go to Italy. Take the QO, or go in a sign-and-trade. Do something.


Players the Celtics can sign instead of Smart. J Bird, G Monroe, D Wade, Len, Connaughton, J Crawford, other J Crawford, S Larkin, J Okafor, V Carter, Joe Johnson.

[Havlicek17]

The Celtics are Smart to avoid going above the tax line this coming year because this team is built to last and they'll surely be there next year and for the foreseeable future. Let him sign the QO and we stay below the line

Smart screwed up by not taking the offer that was made during the season and now he has to suffer the consequences. The FA market isn't there this year. It's not the Celtics fault, it's his agent's fault for not predicting his current situation.

Professional athletes seem to always have their best seasons when they are about to become FA's. Sign the QO and let's go kick some ARS. If we get to the finals and/or win it, we'll be the preferred choice. No bad blood, all this will be in the past.