Who are the "bastard sons" in your team's history?

[NPZ]

Worst one I can think of was John Starks finding his way to the Bulls. Neither he, nor the Bulls fans were down widdit.

[mattyj]

Allen Iverson on Detroit

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[Tai]

Vin Baker and Ray Allen.

If you mean just a bad ending with the Celtics in general, I agree on Ray. Most hate on Ray, but the reality is the Celtics had him traded and gone (I think for OJ Mayo?), and for some reason the trade was pulled last minute. It's easy after the fact for people to say Ray did the city dirty, but I didn't love hearing about the almost trade at the time.

[NPZ]

Kobe is retired...let it go

That routine is even more tiresome in Kobe's retirement. Such a statement/post does nothing but provide fans of other teams fodder to call all of us (LAfan) spoiled and I wouldn't blame you if you were sitting there reading that silliness as a Jazz or Kings fan and thinking we were indeed spoiled. My only regret about Bron is that he provides the same sizable enemy they had in Shaq. Shaq gave them a mouthpiece to expel their noxious gas everywhere. Looks like it's about to start up again. I thought those daze were over.

[contestedlayups]

It has to be Carlos Boozer for the Bulls. The guy was instantly deemed a "second place trophy" after the Bulls had lost out on Wade and Bosh earlier on that day, and then later they lost Lebron to the Heat. He was never accepted, despite having some solid seasons in Chicago. His last game though was pretty terrible, as he clearly gave up against Washington in the playoffs, and that being the final memory of him in Chicago left every fan with a sour taste in their mouths.

[Nate505]

Derrick Fisher and Mark Jackson. Though neither played that long with the Jazz.

[baller16]

OP must be the guy who vandalized Lebron's mural in LA

[mafoutz]

As a Suns fan, there are so many to choose from. Rick Roby and Starbury stand out. But I'd have to go with Shaq closely trailing Sam Cassell and Robert Horry (traded from Houston for Barkley). Especially after Cheap Shot Bob took out Nash years later in the WCF vs Spurs.

Losing Barkley wasn't so bad. He was done. It was just that it was clear we missed our window and to pour salt on the wound, we had to welcome these guys we hated for years previously. That was hard to swallow.

[jason bourne]

Cannot believe this narrative still has legs.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/ex-warriors-gm-explains-how-he-used-curry-2012-trade-talks-bucks

You're taken in too easily. Riley started out as a shill for Don Nelson. This is in 2017 when he's saying these things in order to not look stupid like he usually did.

Riley is contradicted by both Joe Lacob and John Hammond in 2015.

First Lacob, "“I’m getting chills talking about (Ellis) right now,’’ Warriors owner Joe Lacob said in an interview after the Ellis-Bogut centered deal. “He’s one of my favorite players in the NBA. Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy. I feel strongly about him.

“It was incredibly difficult to trade him, but he’s the piece it had to be to get Andrew Bogut. We would have traded either (Curry or Ellis) to take the next step for this franchise.’’

Hammond's side
"If the Bucks hadn't been so conservative, they would have instead acquired (Stephen) Curry, whom the Bucks scouting department was enamored with when he entered the 2009 draft and was taken as the seventh overall selection by Golden State.

Unlike some teams, the Bucks scouting department wasn’t overly concerned that Curry played at a small college -- Davidson -- and that he was a so-called ‘’tweener’’ as a 6-foot-3 guard.

But the Bucks were concerned about Curry's ankles. He underwent surgery on his right ankle to repair torn ligaments in May of 2011. The following March, he had season-ending surgery on the same ankle.

So, with Curry having ankle issues and with Ellis seemingly entering the prime of a potentially-great career, the Bucks opted for Ellis, who was a huge fan favorite in the Bay Area."

Bucks Beat: Milwaukee could have had Curry, Thompson : Basketball."
https://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-milwaukee-could-have-had-curry-thompson/article_6a9c8ba2-77fe-5d6f-a009-1b57861ad0fe.html

How the Bucks are responsible for basically building the Warriors
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-the-bucks-are-responsible-for-basically-building-the-warriors/

Yes yes, I'm well aware of how you are a Monta stan. But you said the Warriors wanted to trade Curry and wanted to keep Monta. I can say - unfortunately through anecdotal evidence - that both of these claims are false, and at best are exaggerations.

Its funny that everyone in the building corroborates what Riley said. We queered a deal with PHX for Curry, everyone was excited for the guy, Monta had alienated the franchise by lying to them and being aggravated when we drafted and kept Curry. But we wanted to trade Curry and keep Monta? Totally makes sense. But what would I know? I'm too easily taken in, because I believe one GM over another, both in retrospect. Curry on a rookie deal or Monta on his long-term deal with his.. let's call it, amateur photography career... and his lying. I'm sure they were on the same value scale too..

I could definitely see Lacob being that excited about Bogut that he'd trade Curry. I couldnt see anyone else in the building being that excited, after the whole Amar'e fiasco.

I don't want to derail the thread, so this will be it on the topic.

And you being a Larry Riley stan (now demoted to scouting dept) lol. It goes to show that he's lying to not look stupid. And then you go on to ramble "everyone in the building corroborates what Riley said and queering a deal with PHX for Curry." What in the hell does that mean lol?

I will admit Curry was the right play over Monta, but at the time, he was the guy that was on the table first. That was my view because of his injuries and surgeries. Riley even admits it, but then starts his stupid BS. From what Joe Lacob said, the Warriors had to put both on the table and give the Bucks their choice. Also, do you remember hearing about Bogut's microfracture surgery after the trade? His injury history was troubling, too.

Listen to what Joe said right after the trade. Completely contradicts what Larry Riley said. He was a Monta fan, too, but I'm sure he's long since reassessed his position like I have. Great minds think alike.

[Picasso]

Tyrus Thomas!!

[_DNP-CD_]

I tried to log into my account of almost 10 years dormancy just to be the first to reply to this thread. Obviously it didn’t work out that way but jazz nation has this correct. Sorry not sure how to quote right now.

Jazz: Mark Jackson, Derick Fisher. It’s been explained.

[_DNP-CD_]

Then there is all the bs Mark “bible thumping phony” Jackson has to say about the jazz from his broadcasting platform. How does he have this job?
The one I remember off the top of my head is him recanting how when he was with utah they saw high school LeBron play and supposedly both John and Karl thought LeBron wasn’t going to be much in the nba. But hallelujah mark jackson saw the light and knew he would make his way to greatness in the league. I don’t know the truth but why throw shade?
I heard Karl talk about LeBron the other night at summer league and I’ve never heard him speak more highly of a player.
Love Stan van Gundy but I hate that he keeps that clown employed.

[NPZ]

As a Suns fan, there are so many to choose from. Rick Roby and Starbury stand out. But I'd have to go with Shaq closely trailing Sam Cassell and Robert Horry (traded from Houston for Barkley). Especially after Cheap Shot Bob took out Nash years later in the WCF vs Spurs.

Losing Barkley wasn't so bad. He was done. It was just that it was clear we missed our window and to pour salt on the wound, we had to welcome these guys we hated for years previously. That was hard to swallow.

Rick Robey?! Damn, that's old school.

Remember Horry throwing the towel in Ainge's face? Haha. That made him instantly popular in LA.

[Baski]

Being a primadonna douchebag is definitely unique to LeBron and worse than all the good deeds and admirable character traits displayed by "true Laker greats" like Wilt, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Artest, Malone, dare i say Fisher and all the others. These guys must've all been saints right OP?

Pretending you're not a Kobe-only fan only makes you look pathetic. You're here hoping the Lakers fail because of one man so that you can come out and say "i knew he was a loser" or something equally pathetic.
It shocks me the things some people allow to come out of their internet mouths. "True Lakers fans don't support LeBron" What in the actual ****?! You would think LeBron did something extremely horrible to the Lakers franchise. Just sad and pathetic. You guys need help.

[ellobo]

As a Knicks fan there really isnt any that come to kind.


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As a Knicks fan, I'm fine with all those guys. Yes, I don't think of them primarily (or secondarily for that matter) as Knicks, but they also were with the team for a short time, with limited expectations to begin with, and didn't really do anything for me to want to disavow them.

The two players who come to mind for me are Marbury and Carmelo. Those guys were with the Knicks for significant stretches, and had their individual moments, but never contributed to any real team success and were part of dysfunctional team cultures. They were face of the franchise players during times when I often didn't really feel good about rooting for my team.

BTW, as a Yankees fan I'm fine with A-Rod. I grew up with the Yankees' "Bronx Zoo" culture, so he fit in that tradition, even though he played in the more buttoned-down Jeter/Torre/Girardi era, plus he won 2 MVPs and World Series as a Yankee.