2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[BobbieL]

Rubio is actually my "semi-cheap" dream PG for this team. A distributor who pushes an offense forward and isn't selfish or a locker room problem.

Me too. For the first half of last season, I tried to come up with reasonable ways to get him to the Suns. However, halfway through, he really turned it on for the Jazz, and it would have cost too much to trade for him. Now though, maybe he can be had at a reasonable price again.

I liked Rubio because he checked most of the boxes. He’s a supreme passer, and he makes the game easier for teammates by getting the ball to players in spots where it’s easier for them to succeed. He made Kevin Love an All Star, so he knows how to help big men. He’s pass-first, low-usage, and really wants his teammates to succeed. His defense is excellent as well, and he’s great in the locker room. I think he’d be a great choice.

However, I am a bit concerned by two things - health, and how different he is from other point guards. Whoever you get for a vet PG to run the offense, he probably is not long term, so you may prefer someone who is more standard, so your youth develops personally, and gets used to the play of your next point guard. This is why I started thinking about Teague. He still averages 7 APG, but he’s a penetrator like most PG’s in the league. He’s also healthier than Rubio.

I think either guy would provide vet leadership and create an offense with which you could develop your youth, and neither would cost much in trade assets, since you don’t want to be spending assets on a temporary (1-2 year) solution.

Rubio I think is a free agent at the end of this season. But with Exum still a question mark - my guess is Utah will want Rubio the entire season because they should be a pretty good team, fighting for the playoffs

[WeekapaugGroove]

Rubio is actually my "semi-cheap" dream PG for this team. A distributor who pushes an offense forward and isn't selfish or a locker room problem.

Me too. For the first half of last season, I tried to come up with reasonable ways to get him to the Suns. However, halfway through, he really turned it on for the Jazz, and it would have cost too much to trade for him. Now though, maybe he can be had at a reasonable price again.

I liked Rubio because he checked most of the boxes. He’s a supreme passer, and he makes the game easier for teammates by getting the ball to players in spots where it’s easier for them to succeed. He made Kevin Love an All Star, so he knows how to help big men. He’s pass-first, low-usage, and really wants his teammates to succeed. His defense is excellent as well, and he’s great in the locker room. I think he’d be a great choice.

However, I am a bit concerned by two things - health, and how different he is from other point guards. Whoever you get for a vet PG to run the offense, he probably is not long term, so you may prefer someone who is more standard, so your youth develops personally, and gets used to the play of your next point guard. This is why I started thinking about Teague. He still averages 7 APG, but he’s a penetrator like most PG’s in the league. He’s also healthier than Rubio.

I think either guy would provide vet leadership and create an offense with which you could develop your youth, and neither would cost much in trade assets, since you don’t want to be spending assets on a temporary (1-2 year) solution.

Rubio I think is a free agent at the end of this season. But with Exum still a question mark - my guess is Utah will want Rubio the entire season because they should be a pretty good team, fighting for the playoffs

Yeah unless the jazz crator this year and deal Rubio at the deadline I can't see him going anywhere. Now next summer when he's a UFA I could see him as a legit candidate for the suns with his ties to Igor.

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[stoo]

Nemanja Bjelica declined Philly offer and is probably going back to Europe - Serbian source media

[WeekapaugGroove]

For all the talk the suns did this spring about being aggressive this summer and the speculation of major roster shuffling it pretty surprising that we're in mid July and the only moves have been 3 rookies and ariza. They could end up bringing back 11 guys from last year's roster. I certainly wouldn't have predicted that. Now it's not necessary a bad thing because sometimes the moves you don't make turn out to be your best moves.

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[shrink]

Me too. For the first half of last season, I tried to come up with reasonable ways to get him to the Suns. However, halfway through, he really turned it on for the Jazz, and it would have cost too much to trade for him. Now though, maybe he can be had at a reasonable price again.

I liked Rubio because he checked most of the boxes. He’s a supreme passer, and he makes the game easier for teammates by getting the ball to players in spots where it’s easier for them to succeed. He made Kevin Love an All Star, so he knows how to help big men. He’s pass-first, low-usage, and really wants his teammates to succeed. His defense is excellent as well, and he’s great in the locker room. I think he’d be a great choice.

However, I am a bit concerned by two things - health, and how different he is from other point guards. Whoever you get for a vet PG to run the offense, he probably is not long term, so you may prefer someone who is more standard, so your youth develops personally, and gets used to the play of your next point guard. This is why I started thinking about Teague. He still averages 7 APG, but he’s a penetrator like most PG’s in the league. He’s also healthier than Rubio.

I think either guy would provide vet leadership and create an offense with which you could develop your youth, and neither would cost much in trade assets, since you don’t want to be spending assets on a temporary (1-2 year) solution.

Rubio I think is a free agent at the end of this season. But with Exum still a question mark - my guess is Utah will want Rubio the entire season because they should be a pretty good team, fighting for the playoffs

Yeah unless the jazz crator this year and deal Rubio at the deadline I can't see him going anywhere. Now next summer when he's a UFA I could see him as a legit candidate for the suns with his ties to Igor.

Maybe they want to open a path for Mitchell to develop as a PG? And their 3rd string PG (Neto) is pretty good too, but you may be right.

I just don’t think you can risk wasting another season of development without getting a legit starting PG this year.

[sunsfever68]

For all the talk the suns did this spring about being aggressive this summer and the speculation of major roster shuffling it pretty surprising that we're in mid July and the only moves have been 3 rookies and ariza. They could end up bringing back 11 guys from last year's roster. I certainly wouldn't have predicted that. Now it's not necessary a bad thing because sometimes the moves you don't make turn out to be your best moves.

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I think it makes sense to see what Igor can do with Knight, Bender, and Quese, and Josh Jackson. We need to see what we have with the assets we spent high draft picks on.

I'd say reevaluate after this year and then make the free agency move once Daniels, Chandler, Dudley are all off the books.

[BobbieL]

Me too. For the first half of last season, I tried to come up with reasonable ways to get him to the Suns. However, halfway through, he really turned it on for the Jazz, and it would have cost too much to trade for him. Now though, maybe he can be had at a reasonable price again.

I liked Rubio because he checked most of the boxes. He’s a supreme passer, and he makes the game easier for teammates by getting the ball to players in spots where it’s easier for them to succeed. He made Kevin Love an All Star, so he knows how to help big men. He’s pass-first, low-usage, and really wants his teammates to succeed. His defense is excellent as well, and he’s great in the locker room. I think he’d be a great choice.

However, I am a bit concerned by two things - health, and how different he is from other point guards. Whoever you get for a vet PG to run the offense, he probably is not long term, so you may prefer someone who is more standard, so your youth develops personally, and gets used to the play of your next point guard. This is why I started thinking about Teague. He still averages 7 APG, but he’s a penetrator like most PG’s in the league. He’s also healthier than Rubio.

I think either guy would provide vet leadership and create an offense with which you could develop your youth, and neither would cost much in trade assets, since you don’t want to be spending assets on a temporary (1-2 year) solution.

Rubio I think is a free agent at the end of this season. But with Exum still a question mark - my guess is Utah will want Rubio the entire season because they should be a pretty good team, fighting for the playoffs

Yeah unless the jazz crator this year and deal Rubio at the deadline I can't see him going anywhere. Now next summer when he's a UFA I could see him as a legit candidate for the suns with his ties to Igor.

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And looking at the Suns cap - -its always discussed and rightly so how the Suns can get "max cap space." Well lets look at some players that will be max:

Durant: my guess if he leaves GSW its for MSG or Showtime STaples
Klay Thompson --- Booker is a two so is he really the right fit next to Booker. Great defender though -- wouldn't turn him down
Butler - combo 2/3 but Booker, BRidges and Josh seem to have those positions locked down - we hope!

the rest are the PGs: Kyrie Rubio Bradley potentially Smart

In some ways, - -if Booker, Bridges, Ayton, Jackson and Bender or Chriss develop - Rubio might actually be the best "FIT" for the Suns to push them forward. Again, if Durant wants to come, you find a way. I go back and look at the moves of the Warriors as I have said and it was about getting Bogut to put around Curry, Klay, Barnes and Green while removing a player like Ellis who did not fit. It was getting the ultimate swiss knife player in Andre Iguodala around the core

So for me Rubio might be the top REALISTIC SENSIBLE candidate in 2019 and he may not be a max player. Easier for the Suns to get cap space for

[BobbieL]

Rubio I think is a free agent at the end of this season. But with Exum still a question mark - my guess is Utah will want Rubio the entire season because they should be a pretty good team, fighting for the playoffs

Yeah unless the jazz crator this year and deal Rubio at the deadline I can't see him going anywhere. Now next summer when he's a UFA I could see him as a legit candidate for the suns with his ties to Igor.

Maybe they want to open a path for Mitchell to develop as a PG? And their 3rd string PG (Neto) is pretty good too, but you may be right.

I just don’t think you can risk wasting another season of development without getting a legit starting PG this year.

I agree - I think a better resolved PG would help the growth of the players too. I just don't see Utah moving Rubio. And if they did - it wouldn't be for an expiring - my guess, they would want like TJ Warren and the Bucks pick.

[matt131]

Apparently we've talked with San Antonio re Leonard. Not surprising.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week

Still, the bidding war among Boston, Philadelphia and the Lakers never materialized. The Los Angeles Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, Toronto and Washington are among teams who've talked with San Antonio, league sources said.

I assume most teams in the league have called to at least see what's going on.

[BobbieL]

Apparently we've talked with San Antonio re Leonard. Not surprising.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week

Still, the bidding war among Boston, Philadelphia and the Lakers never materialized. The Los Angeles Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, Toronto and Washington are among teams who've talked with San Antonio, league sources said.

I assume most teams in the league have called to at least see what's going on.

Bordow had a quick Twitter chat and many questions on PG. He brought up Beverly. Looking at the Clippers they have 17 players, 16 guaranteed - so one had to go. Teodosic as well. Trying to figure out a trade if they are moving Milos or Beverly.

Player wise - Clippers have C with Gortat and Boban; forward with Harris, Danilo G, Dekker, Mbah a Moute, Mike Scott, and Wes Johnson and they have guards a plenty. So not really sure what the Suns could "match" with.

Dudley and Daniels for a PG and Boban
Chandler for a PG and Wes Johnson or Boban
Chriss and Daniels for Teodosic - that seems a lot to give up but the salaries work

I guess Beverly could be waived outright and save the Clippers 5m but than its a free agency free for all for Patrick Beverly and the Suns can only offer 4.4m

[King4Day]

If I was McD, I'd offer the Spurs a big package surrounding Jackson and picks.
Of course I would let them know I need a meeting with him to discuss what the long term plan would be before pulling the final trigger.
Push that it's close to LA and that with LeBron, they are good for a few winning years before being stuck with bad contracts like Cleveland was.

If he said he would commit to sign like a 2 year deal with us (so we would have him for 3 years), I would make the move. If it didn't work, and Leonard wanted to leave, chances are we're starting over anyway.

I wonder what kind of offer McD threw at them (if he did at all).

Maybe Warren, Bender, Chriss, future firsts...

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If I was McD, I'd offer the Spurs a big package surrounding Jackson and picks.
Of course I would let them know I need a meeting with him to discuss what the long term plan would be before pulling the final trigger.
Push that it's close to LA and that with LeBron, they are good for a few winning years before being stuck with bad contracts like Cleveland was.

If he said he would commit to sign like a 2 year deal with us (so we would have him for 3 years), I would make the move. If it didn't work, and Leonard wanted to leave, chances are we're starting over anyway.

I wonder what kind of offer McD threw at them (if he did at all).

Maybe Warren, Bender, Chriss, future firsts...

If Kawhi will agree to an extension, I'd be willing to offer a very substantial package, and no one but Booker and Ayton would be off limits (though obviously, the Spurs can't have *everything*). If he won't, then there is no deal to be made.

[BobbieL]

If I was McD, I'd offer the Spurs a big package surrounding Jackson and picks.
Of course I would let them know I need a meeting with him to discuss what the long term plan would be before pulling the final trigger.
Push that it's close to LA and that with LeBron, they are good for a few winning years before being stuck with bad contracts like Cleveland was.

If he said he would commit to sign like a 2 year deal with us (so we would have him for 3 years), I would make the move. If it didn't work, and Leonard wanted to leave, chances are we're starting over anyway.

I wonder what kind of offer McD threw at them (if he did at all).

Maybe Warren, Bender, Chriss, future firsts...

If Kawhi will agree to an extension, I'd be willing to offer a very substantial package, and no one but Booker and Ayton would be off limits (though obviously, the Spurs can't have *everything*). If he won't, then there is no deal to be made.

he has to sign an extension first before anything can be discussed
not that i think Kawhi would Boozer us but can't take that chance

[Barkley6]

For all the talk the suns did this spring about being aggressive this summer and the speculation of major roster shuffling it pretty surprising that we're in mid July and the only moves have been 3 rookies and ariza. They could end up bringing back 11 guys from last year's roster. I certainly wouldn't have predicted that. Now it's not necessary a bad thing because sometimes the moves you don't make turn out to be your best moves.

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Takes two. Suns might have been very aggressive, but teams are going to ask for Booker, Jackson and Ayton. That's the downside of being loaded with young talent, it's the first thing every team wants in a trade so deals become harder to do.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

For all the talk the suns did this spring about being aggressive this summer and the speculation of major roster shuffling it pretty surprising that we're in mid July and the only moves have been 3 rookies and ariza. They could end up bringing back 11 guys from last year's roster. I certainly wouldn't have predicted that. Now it's not necessary a bad thing because sometimes the moves you don't make turn out to be your best moves.

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Takes two. Suns might have been very aggressive, but teams are going to ask for Booker, Jackson and Ayton. That's the downside of being loaded with young talent, it's the first thing every team wants in a trade so deals become harder to do.

I am loathe to trade JJ, but for Kawhi on a 5-year deal? Can't say no to that, especially with Bridges also in tow.

I think all of this is moot, however. Kawhi wants LA, and that's it. From what I've read, anyway.

[Barkley6]

For all the talk the suns did this spring about being aggressive this summer and the speculation of major roster shuffling it pretty surprising that we're in mid July and the only moves have been 3 rookies and ariza. They could end up bringing back 11 guys from last year's roster. I certainly wouldn't have predicted that. Now it's not necessary a bad thing because sometimes the moves you don't make turn out to be your best moves.

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Takes two. Suns might have been very aggressive, but teams are going to ask for Booker, Jackson and Ayton. That's the downside of being loaded with young talent, it's the first thing every team wants in a trade so deals become harder to do.

I am loathe to trade JJ, but for Kawhi on a 5-year deal? Can't say no to that, especially with Bridges also in tow.

I think all of this is moot, however. Kawhi wants LA, and that's it. From what I've read, anyway.

I mean, for Kawhi sure, but short of that? Not sure there is someone else on the market I'd be willing to trade JJ for.

[BobbieL]

Ross, @LegionofHoops is a bit like Schultz and Kyler, but this one is interesting> Thibs might be done with Butler. Courtney Lee and Malcolm Thomas maybe. A first round pick.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Ross, @LegionofHoops is a bit like Schultz and Kyler, but this one is interesting> Thibs might be done with Butler. Courtney Lee and Malcolm Thomas maybe. A first round pick.

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We can certainly beat that, but would Butler have any interest in re-signing with us? Can't imagine Thibs would have a ton of interest in JJ given the presence of Wiggins.

[Saberestar]

For all the talk the suns did this spring about being aggressive this summer and the speculation of major roster shuffling it pretty surprising that we're in mid July and the only moves have been 3 rookies and ariza. They could end up bringing back 11 guys from last year's roster. I certainly wouldn't have predicted that. Now it's not necessary a bad thing because sometimes the moves you don't make turn out to be your best moves.

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Not really a surprise for me because McDonough has been saying the same for the last 5 years.

It is getting old.

[BobbieL]

Ross, @LegionofHoops is a bit like Schultz and Kyler, but this one is interesting> Thibs might be done with Butler. Courtney Lee and Malcolm Thomas maybe. A first round pick.

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We can certainly beat that, but would Butler have any interest in re-signing with us? Can't imagine Thibs would have a ton of interest in JJ given the presence of Wiggins.

Again, Ross - well, he is a broken clock guy like I have said. He had the Suns talking Love -- maybe true but also not Woj or Charania level.

But the Knicks just do not have much to trade. Kanter is expiring, Hardaway Jr maybe but that contract is pretty high. Maybe the Knicks take Deng to give back Noah to a Thibs coached team. Just hard to see a match for the Knick. Though I know Butler probably signs back with Knicks and they can have massive cap space next year too.