Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[NatP4]

The problem is still that Skal and WCS (frequently featured in this style of proposal) just aren’t that good.

I proposed a similar deal to this above, but larger scale, moving Mahinmi to have the chance to extend the young player you acquire (Larry Nance Jr.) plus having to add a 1st instead of a 2nd to Oubre in terms of assets.

[payitforward]

One of the major goals for the organization should be developing Bryant. But... I doubt that it will be one of the major goals of the organization. Not that he's a great prospect, but they have his rights for 2 seasons at a cheap price - he can be a useful player that takes over the minutes of Mahinmi - not right away - but hopefully sooner than later. Of course, they could have done the same thing with Christian Wood, but that's another discussion. At least they actually made the effort to acquire Bryant. It wasn't a "major acquisition", but small good moves can make a big difference, and you need to make them when you have 3 max contracts on your roster.

I don't know about "major" goal -- but it certainly should be an obvious goal! -- for all the reasons you mention.

I do think he's a "great prospect," btw. Which doesn't mean I think he'll wind up a great player. When we first signed him, I hyped him here in a jokingly overblown way. But, the more I saw the more serious I got. Then what Rob Pelinka said about him sealed it for me -- Bryant wasn't shooting the 3 well, but Pelinka was quoted as very high on that aspect of his game, & in fact his G League stats confirm the reason.

So, I'm assuming we'll start to see a more rounded game out of him in the league. In fact, it wouldn't be a big surprise if he got as many minutes as Brown, maybe more. After 2 years of college & 1300 minutes in the G League, he's likely to be the readier player of the two. (Which is not to say, obviously, that he is the better prospect overall)

I don't know what Bryant's ceiling will be, obviously, but to me at least he looks like a guy who has a very high likelihood of making it as an NBA rotation big. That makes him a great prospect in my book!

When things don't go well this season, Ernie will trade him for "a jolt."

[Illmatic12]

Wizards inquiring about Kawhi?

Still, the bidding war among Boston, Philadelphia and the Lakers never materialized. The Los Angeles Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, Toronto and Washington are among teams who've talked with San Antonio, league sources said.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week

[nate33]

Wizards inquiring about Kawhi?

Still, the bidding war among Boston, Philadelphia and the Lakers never materialized. The Los Angeles Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, Toronto and Washington are among teams who've talked with San Antonio, league sources said.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week

Interesting.

I'm assuming the trade would be Porter for Kawhi... probably including some picks (but I hope not). Is San Antonio going to get a better offer for a guy with 1 year left before unrestricted free agency? Porter is a prototypical San Antonio Spur.

From our perspective, a best-case scenario is that Wall, Beal, Kawhi and Howard team up to make a run at the Finals, which convinces Kawhi to stay. Worst-case is that Kawhi walks and we just gave away Porter for nothing (saving $28M a year in cap room in the process).

I love Porter, but at his price tag, he's not really a wildly positive asset. Losing him would not be a crippling blow.

Obviously, the trade would be bad if we ended up including picks and then let Kawhi walk.

[queridiculo]

The idea of Kawhi's mystery injury and the Wizards medical staff is frightening.

[Illmatic12]

Wizards inquiring about Kawhi?

Still, the bidding war among Boston, Philadelphia and the Lakers never materialized. The Los Angeles Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, Toronto and Washington are among teams who've talked with San Antonio, league sources said.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week

Interesting.

I'm assuming the trade would be Porter for Kawhi... probably including some picks (but I hope not). Is San Antonio going to get a better offer for a guy with 1 year left before unrestricted free agency? Porter is a prototypical San Antonio Spur.

From our perspective, a best-case scenario is that Wall, Beal, Kawhi and Howard team up to make a run at the Finals, which convinces Kawhi to stay. Worst-case is that Kawhi walks and we just gave away Porter for nothing (saving $28M a year in cap room in the process).

I love Porter, but at his price tag, he's not really a wildly positive asset. Losing him would not be a crippling blow.

Obviously, the trade would be bad if we ended up including picks and then let Kawhi walk.

Based on a basic risk analysis, if there's a chance to trade for Kawhi for Porter while retaining Wall & Beal (and most of our future picks) I think you have to do it.

Even if Kawhi walks, we'd have $80 mil on the books next summer and at least ~$25 mil in projected capspace - give or take capholds for Oubre, Sato. Stretching Mahinmi's last year would open up a full max slot.

The Wizards could then go after any number of max FAs in the 2019 FA market.. I think adding Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson at the max or even possibly a combo of players like Demarcus Cousins, Khris Middleton, Deandre Jordan, Julius Randle, Tobias Harris, Tyreke Evans, Nikola Mirotic etc for sub-max deals along with the combo of Wall & Beal could put us in a better salary/talent situation than we're in now.

[Ruzious]

Wizards inquiring about Kawhi?

Still, the bidding war among Boston, Philadelphia and the Lakers never materialized. The Los Angeles Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, Toronto and Washington are among teams who've talked with San Antonio, league sources said.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week

Interesting.

I'm assuming the trade would be Porter for Kawhi... probably including some picks (but I hope not). Is San Antonio going to get a better offer for a guy with 1 year left before unrestricted free agency? Porter is a prototypical San Antonio Spur.

From our perspective, a best-case scenario is that Wall, Beal, Kawhi and Howard team up to make a run at the Finals, which convinces Kawhi to stay. Worst-case is that Kawhi walks and we just gave away Porter for nothing (saving $28M a year in cap room in the process).

I love Porter, but at his price tag, he's not really a wildly positive asset. Losing him would not be a crippling blow.

Obviously, the trade would be bad if we ended up including picks and then let Kawhi walk.

Agreed. And remember, keeping Otto isn't without risks - given his chronic hip issue and the opt out he can use on his contract.

[Illmatic12]

The idea of Kawhi's mystery injury and the Wizards medical staff is frightening.

Leonard is healthy and fine I believe, and has been for a while. It wasn't about the injury with him.

[barelyawake]

Get Gasol and Kawhi. Give Beal. Or Porter. Give Oubre if you have to, but certainly a pick would be better. They take Mahinmi or Morris and scrubs.

Wall/Sato
Kawhi/Rivers/Meeks
Porter/Kawhi/Green
Gasol/Morris/Porter
Howard/Gasol/Diaw

I guarantee that team makes the finals, and takes at least one from Golden State. And I guarantee Howard, Wall and Porter benefit from teammates like that.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Rivers/Meeks
Kawhi/Porter/Green
Porter/Gasol
Howard/Gasol/Mahinmi

Wall/Sato
Beal/Rivers/Oubre
Kawhi/Oubre/Green
Gasol/Morris/Diaw
Howard/Gasol/Diaw

I like the defense better if we give Beal instead. But, either way, I’d absolutely take that chance (if Kawhi is healthy). And.i want Gasol as part of the deal.

[Meliorus]

Do you guys really want a guy who quit on the best organization? A guy who is probably not the same as before? A guy who sat out that long for a hip bruise? This guy is as mentally weak as they come. Absolute pathetic behavior.

[NatP4]

Do you guys really want a guy who quit on the best organization? A guy who is probably not the same as before? A guy who sat out that long for a hip bruise? This guy is as mentally weak as they come. Absolute pathetic behavior.

Yes.

[NatP4]

Offer them Oubre+Brown+Sato+2019 1st. That would be a ridiculous haul for SAS

[NatP4]

Wall Beal Kawhi Porter would kill every single team in the east.

Let’s say they can keep Sato

Wall Sato
Beal Rivers
Kawhi Green
Porter Morris
Howard Mahinmi

[Ruzious]

Do you guys really want a guy who quit on the best organization? A guy who is probably not the same as before? A guy who sat out that long for a hip bruise? This guy is as mentally weak as they come. Absolute pathetic behavior.

Yes.

Heck yeah!

[NatP4]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

[verbal8]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

I think pretty much any Wizard for Kawhi straight up is a good deal for the Wizards.

I think Porter for Kawhi is risky, but in a weakened East Kawhi puts the Wizards in the top tier play-off conversation. Boston and Philly are probably better, but it might be a move that would leapfrog Indiana and Toronto.

[NatP4]

How much better is the team with Kawhi instead of Otto?

F it, just do it Ernie, please send Otto and Sato to SAS so I can exchange my wiz fan card for a spurs card. Please send Troy Brown JR also.

[Ruzious]

Get Gasol and Kawhi. Give Beal. Or Porter. Give Oubre if you have to, but certainly a pick would be better. They take Mahinmi or Morris and scrubs.

Wall/Sato
Kawhi/Rivers/Meeks
Porter/Kawhi/Green
Gasol/Morris/Porter
Howard/Gasol/Diaw

I guarantee that team makes the finals, and takes at least one from Golden State. And I guarantee Howard, Wall and Porter benefit from teammates like that.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Rivers/Meeks
Kawhi/Porter/Green
Porter/Gasol
Howard/Gasol/Mahinmi

Wall/Sato
Beal/Rivers/Oubre
Kawhi/Oubre/Green
Gasol/Morris/Diaw
Howard/Gasol/Diaw

I like the defense better if we give Beal instead. But, either way, I’d absolutely take that chance (if Kawhi is healthy). And.i want Gasol as part of the deal.

I think it does make more sense to trade Beal than Porter, because Beal likely has more trade value (being an all-star and #1 scorer). I'll slightly change your trade: Beal, Oubre and Morris for Leonard, Gasol and Derrick White. It's salary neutral this season and saves money in the future vs paying Oubre. White eventually takes Rivers' role and does it better.

[NatP4]

3 years of Beal for 1 year of Kawhi (with health and attitude concerns)

Major nope for me.

It’s Brown+Oubre+2019 1st or Wall straight up.

[Wizardspride]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

Personally, I'd like to see them blend their unique talents together.