Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Wizardspride]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

I think pretty much any Wizard for Kawhi straight up is a good deal for the Wizards.

I think Porter for Kawhi is risky, but in a weakened East Kawhi puts the Wizards in the top tier play-off conversation. Boston and Philly are probably better, but it might be a move that would leapfrog Indiana and Toronto.

To be honest, I'm not sure we haven't already jumped Indiana and just maybe Toronto.

[deneem4]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

I think pretty much any Wizard for Kawhi straight up is a good deal for the Wizards.

I think Porter for Kawhi is risky, but in a weakened East Kawhi puts the Wizards in the top tier play-off conversation. Boston and Philly are probably better, but it might be a move that would leapfrog Indiana and Toronto.

To be honest, I'm not sure we haven't already jumped Indiana and just maybe Toronto.

Were honeslty better than every team other than boston on paper in the east....if we can stay healthy top wise (wall,beal,howard) and not try to kill each other half the season that 2nd seed is guaranteed

[barelyawake]

I think pretty much any Wizard for Kawhi straight up is a good deal for the Wizards.

I think Porter for Kawhi is risky, but in a weakened East Kawhi puts the Wizards in the top tier play-off conversation. Boston and Philly are probably better, but it might be a move that would leapfrog Indiana and Toronto.

To be honest, I'm not sure we haven't already jumped Indiana and just maybe Toronto.

Were honeslty better than every team other than boston on paper in the east....if we can stay healthy top wise (wall,beal,howard) and not try to kill each other half the season that 2nd seed is guaranteed

And the potential of the kill each other thing is exactly why I say bring a few Spurs on board and change the entire dynamic from not only last year, but the four years before. You get a group of Gasol, Kawhi and Diaw on the team, who know each other and everyone knows what they can do, and suddenly Wall can just play defense, drive when needed, hit a few treys and pass. And then he can relax into a great player. This is entirely unlike anything Wall has had to work with before, and that’s a good thing for us, for him, for his ego, for the team...

[barelyawake]

Get Gasol and Kawhi. Give Beal. Or Porter. Give Oubre if you have to, but certainly a pick would be better. They take Mahinmi or Morris and scrubs.

Wall/Sato
Kawhi/Rivers/Meeks
Porter/Kawhi/Green
Gasol/Morris/Porter
Howard/Gasol/Diaw

I guarantee that team makes the finals, and takes at least one from Golden State. And I guarantee Howard, Wall and Porter benefit from teammates like that.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Rivers/Meeks
Kawhi/Porter/Green
Porter/Gasol
Howard/Gasol/Mahinmi

Wall/Sato
Beal/Rivers/Oubre
Kawhi/Oubre/Green
Gasol/Morris/Diaw
Howard/Gasol/Diaw

I like the defense better if we give Beal instead. But, either way, I’d absolutely take that chance (if Kawhi is healthy). And.i want Gasol as part of the deal.

I think it does make more sense to trade Beal than Porter, because Beal likely has more trade value (being an all-star and #1 scorer). I'll slightly change your trade: Beal, Oubre and Morris for Leonard, Gasol and Derrick White. It's salary neutral this season and saves money in the future vs paying Oubre. White eventually takes Rivers' role and does it better.

Hell, give them a pick if they want. We got a couple guys to develop as is, and that kinda team (in a major city like DC) is going to attract vets.

[Ruzious]

3 years of Beal for 1 year of Kawhi (with health and attitude concerns)

Major nope for me.

It’s Brown+Oubre+2019 1st or Wall straight up.

Your first offer isn't close to getting him, imo, and I don't think it's feasible to trade Wall even if they wanted to (which I don't think they would) - because of the poison pill problem.

[Wizardspride]

To be honest, I'm not sure we haven't already jumped Indiana and just maybe Toronto.

Were honeslty better than every team other than boston on paper in the east....if we can stay healthy top wise (wall,beal,howard) and not try to kill each other half the season that 2nd seed is guaranteed

And the potential of the kill each other thing is exactly why I say bring a few Spurs on board and change the entire dynamic from not only last year, but the four years before. You get a group of Gasol, Kawhi and Diaw on the team, who know each other and everyone knows what they can do, and suddenly Wall can just play defense, drive when needed, hit a few treys and pass. And then he can relax into a great player. This is entirely unlike anything Wall has had to work with before, and that’s a good thing for us, for him, for his ego, for the team...

Changing the dynamic gets you considerably older/less athletic.

No thank you.

[MVPofDC]

Do you guys really want a guy who quit on the best organization? A guy who is probably not the same as before? A guy who sat out that long for a hip bruise? This guy is as mentally weak as they come. Absolute pathetic behavior.

This is the Wizards we're talking about. If there is any team that should take a chance on an elite player with those flaws its us.

[MVPofDC]

If we were to trade for Kawhi and hope to re-sign him we would need to get a big contract of the books to make room for his upcoming one.

I'd gladly trade Porter, Oubre/Brown and a 1st for him if needed.

[barelyawake]

Were honeslty better than every team other than boston on paper in the east....if we can stay healthy top wise (wall,beal,howard) and not try to kill each other half the season that 2nd seed is guaranteed

And the potential of the kill each other thing is exactly why I say bring a few Spurs on board and change the entire dynamic from not only last year, but the four years before. You get a group of Gasol, Kawhi and Diaw on the team, who know each other and everyone knows what they can do, and suddenly Wall can just play defense, drive when needed, hit a few treys and pass. And then he can relax into a great player. This is entirely unlike anything Wall has had to work with before, and that’s a good thing for us, for him, for his ego, for the team...

Changing the dynamic gets you considerably older/less athletic.

No thank you.

We are talking about trading out Mahinmi with Gasol and Beal with an MVP candidate. Diaw is like a rip cord deep on the bench. There are times when younger is better, and then there are times to try to compete (where developed is much better than raw).

[Dark Faze]

I mean if it's for a rental im "only" moving Brown, Sato, Oubre, and a first + filler. Reason being I at least want a punchers shot at a chip. I'm not going through the risk for a team that loses in 7 again to Boston. If I'm selling my future for a rental then I want to be Boston good on paper, which isn't possible if any of Otto /Beal/Wall are traded.

[barelyawake]

Lol this is the player many experts thought was the best basketball player in the world the year before last. As in, better than LeBron James. Who is now 27, in his prime, and ready to compete on both ends of the floor after having been trained by the best coach in NBA history. Ok, back to the ridiculous arguments against getting him.

PS we would be better than Boston, on paper and everywhere else, if we have Kawhi, Howard, Wall and Porter (with a bench of Sato, Gasol, Green, Rivers, etc). That’s two first ballot hall of famers, Wall and Porter.

PPS we aren’t getting him because our management, ownership and fans don’t demand we do better.

[NatP4]

3 years of Beal for 1 year of Kawhi (with health and attitude concerns)

Major nope for me.

It’s Brown+Oubre+2019 1st or Wall straight up.

Your first offer isn't close to getting him, imo, and I don't think it's feasible to trade Wall even if they wanted to (which I don't think they would) - because of the poison pill problem.

They would accept Beal straight up without hesitation

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Do you guys really want a guy who quit on the best organization? A guy who is probably not the same as before? A guy who sat out that long for a hip bruise? This guy is as mentally weak as they come. Absolute pathetic behavior.

I agree. Injured. Doesn't want to be in DC long-term.

People are saying trade Porter which is absolutely stupid unless Otto has chronic injury concerns.

Trade Wall if anything just because his super max deal is a bad contract.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If we were to trade for Kawhi and hope to re-sign him we would need to get a big contract of the books to make room for his upcoming one.

I'd gladly trade Porter, Oubre/Brown and a 1st for him if needed.

You would do this for one year of Kawhi Leonard?

Unwise

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[MVPofDC]

If we were to trade for Kawhi and hope to re-sign him we would need to get a big contract of the books to make room for his upcoming one.

I'd gladly trade Porter, Oubre/Brown and a 1st for him if needed.

You would do this for one year of Kawhi Leonard?

Unwise

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Yes, I like Otto but not for his contract. Sending him alone would be unlikely to get a deal done. I rather get that off the books and take a chance of elevating the team to a higher level instead of staying as a subpar PO team every year.

[JWizmentality]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

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Nonsense. If we're ignoring contracts, and strictly looking to be the best we can be. It's either Beal or Porter getting shipped out. Preferably Beal.

[NatP4]

Can we just trade franchise players? Wall for Kawhi straight up

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Nonsense. If we're ignoring contracts, and strictly looking to be the best we can be. It's either Beal or Porter getting shipped out. Preferably Beal.

why would we ever "ignore contracts"? you think we're beating GS in 2018-2019?? and even then, your statement is pretty debatable. I 100% feel that Otto Porter is more important to this team than Wall. He's our best player.

[NatP4]

If we were to trade for Kawhi and hope to re-sign him we would need to get a big contract of the books to make room for his upcoming one.

I'd gladly trade Porter, Oubre/Brown and a 1st for him if needed.

You would do this for one year of Kawhi Leonard?

Unwise

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Yes, I like Otto but not for his contract. Sending him alone would be unlikely to get a deal done. I rather get that off the books and take a chance of elevating the team to a higher level instead of staying as a subpar PO team every year.

WE ARE NOT SUBPAR BECAUSE OF OTTO PORTER

he is worth every single penny of that max deal. Basketball is not all about points per game and flashy highlights. Otto Porter is our best defender. he rebounds as well as our starting PF, he can guard multiple positions effectively. He plays harder than anyone else on the team. He's extremely high character, he's a ridiculously efficient offensive player that literally never does dumb sh**. Can score from every level, doesn't turn it over, doesn't ever hijack the offense, always hustles and makes the extra effort plays. The guy has never even had poor body language on the court once, on a dumpster fire team that loses to every sub 500 team in the NBA, never once has he even thrown his arms up in the air at a teammate.

I mean, he averages 17-7-2-2 only 1.1 turnovers per 36 on .600 TS% and is basically top 20 in the NBA for every advanced stat known to man. He's also only 24 years old.

He is EXACTLY what you want in a basketball player. If we lose him "just to get his contract off the books" this franchise is completely f***** and i'm out. Hell, I might be somewhat happy to see him go, just so he can up his usage somewhere else, playing for a coach that isn't a moron, and show all of the casual fans that he can easily average 20 ppg

[MVPofDC]

You would do this for one year of Kawhi Leonard?

Unwise

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Yes, I like Otto but not for his contract. Sending him alone would be unlikely to get a deal done. I rather get that off the books and take a chance of elevating the team to a higher level instead of staying as a subpar PO team every year.

WE ARE NOT SUBPAR BECAUSE OF OTTO PORTER

he is worth every single penny of that max deal. Basketball is not all about points per game and flashy highlights. Otto Porter is our best defender. he rebounds as well as our starting PF, he can guard multiple positions effectively. He plays harder than anyone else on the team. He's extremely high character, he's a ridiculously efficient offensive player that literally never does dumb sh**. Can score from every level, doesn't turn it over, doesn't ever hijack the offense, always hustles and makes the extra effort plays. The guy has never even had poor body language on the court once, on a dumpster fire team that loses to every sub 500 team in the NBA, never once has he even thrown his arms up in the air at a teammate.

I mean, he averages 17-7-2-2 only 1.1 turnovers per 36 on .600 TS% and is basically top 20 in the NBA for every advanced stat known to man. He's also only 24 years old.

He is EXACTLY what you want in a basketball player. If we lose him "just to get his contract off the books" this franchise is completely f***** and i'm out. Hell, I might be somewhat happy to see him go, just so he can up his usage somewhere else, playing for a coach that isn't a moron, and show all of the casual fans that he can easily average 20 ppg

Yes, we are not subpar because of Otto but I'd be ok if he has to go to bring on Kawhi - even if only for a year. I think Wall's deal is near unmovable. Even if Kawhi did walk after a year it would give us more flexibility that the current situation.

I rather see the Wizards roll the dice instead of every regular/postseason. We're just spinning our wheels at this point. I hope the Spurs feel the same way about Porter as you do.