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Trade Myles?
Apparently this is a popular idea among some Pacers fans. For the record, I'm officially way way way off this bandwagon, but I wanted to hear about what some others think. I think it's silly to let go of a nearly seven footer that's as mobile as he is, as good a shot blocker, and a shooter. That's the unicorn skillset in my opinion. Just for some examples, Orlando has been running with Vucevic for awhile now because he can shoot, but his defense is blah and I really think that's a big part of why they can't seem to string together an entire good season. Houston is dealing with the situation where they have a pretty good center, but he can't shoot worth a darn and nobody can tell what a center like that is really worth in dollars. The team and the player are way far apart in their estimation of his value.
Still, Turner was not a Kevin Pritchard pick, and he has been more critical of Turner in the media than I would have expected. The amount of work he has to do to grow in this league is obvious. Do you think it's a good idea? What do you think we could get in exchange?
Still, Turner was not a Kevin Pritchard pick, and he has been more critical of Turner in the media than I would have expected. The amount of work he has to do to grow in this league is obvious. Do you think it's a good idea? What do you think we could get in exchange?
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Both Myles and Dom are barely 22,and are already producing extremely well in a league that usually takes big men much longer to develop than wings.
Myles just put up a 48/36/78 shooting split with 13 and 6 and 2 blocks a night. All on only 28 minutes per night. And we think that is a disappointment.
Dom just put up 51/35/75 shooting split with almost 12/8 and 2 assists a night on less than 25 minutes a night, all while really only playing his first season in the league to his strengths.
Maybe one or both will be moved later on. But I can’t imagine that will happen until it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they cannot play together. These are two of the best big men we’ve ever had play for us in the nba Pacer days. Be a shame to trade them early and see them blossom elsewhere because we wanted too much too soon.
Myles just put up a 48/36/78 shooting split with 13 and 6 and 2 blocks a night. All on only 28 minutes per night. And we think that is a disappointment.
Dom just put up 51/35/75 shooting split with almost 12/8 and 2 assists a night on less than 25 minutes a night, all while really only playing his first season in the league to his strengths.
Maybe one or both will be moved later on. But I can’t imagine that will happen until it’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they cannot play together. These are two of the best big men we’ve ever had play for us in the nba Pacer days. Be a shame to trade them early and see them blossom elsewhere because we wanted too much too soon.
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I picked no. But, hard to answer without knowing what we would be getting back.
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Step 1. Play them together.
Step 2. Make adjustments in the schemes both offensive and defense to deal with any problems encountered in Step 1.
Step 3. Evaluate.
Step 4. Decide whether to resign Thad Young in 2019 and what his role will be.
Making a big trade now is very premature.
Step 2. Make adjustments in the schemes both offensive and defense to deal with any problems encountered in Step 1.
Step 3. Evaluate.
Step 4. Decide whether to resign Thad Young in 2019 and what his role will be.
Making a big trade now is very premature.
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There is a contingent that is disappointed by his step back last season, which is what's fueling all of this. If he comes out strong next season, great. If he doesn't, he's just as tradeable then. No need to get hasty and pull any triggers.
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Miller4ever wrote:There is a contingent that is disappointed by his step back last season, which is what's fueling all of this.
that and Sabonis exceeding expectations.
my hope is Turner spends the summer working on his inside game; Sabonis spends it working on his right hand; and the coaches work on schemes to maximize their skills when they are on the court together.
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The Pacers being linked to AGordon was telling in that maybe Pritchard views both Myles and Domas as 5s moving forward. If this is the case then it would be wise to pick one before Domas is due for an extension. So it is a bit premature at this point to consider such a move but sometimes you gotta strike while the iron is hot. For example, if Boston called offering JBrown and Memphis' '19 1st for Myles, I wouldn't hesitate.
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Boneman2 wrote:The Pacers being linked to AGordon was telling.........
I think the fans were more interested in Gordon than the Pacers were. I don't remember any reliable information that the team had pursued him.
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Tom White wrote:Boneman2 wrote:The Pacers being linked to AGordon was telling.........
I think the fans were more interested in Gordon than the Pacers were. I don't remember any reliable information that the team had pursued him.
I’m pretty sure the Pacers wanted Gordon, but Thad opting in meant they couldn’t throw enough at him for Orlando not to match.
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MUpacersSIC wrote:I’m pretty sure the Pacers wanted Gordon, but Thad opting in meant they couldn’t throw enough at him for Orlando not to match.
I never understood why we were linked with a power forward but maybe it did all tie in with Thad. not just the money though. if Thad had opted out and got a big offer elsewhere, Gordon could have been our contingency plan. without Thad we'd have had more cap room and a need for a starting power forward.

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Considering there were rumblings of interest, but no types of contracts or numbers reported, it’s possible that it was either a ploy by the Pacers to get Thad to opt in, or by Gordon’s agent to get Orlando more quickly into his preferred contract range.
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Scoot McGroot wrote:Considering there were rumblings of interest, but no types of contracts or numbers reported, it’s possible that it was either a ploy by the Pacers to get Thad to opt in, or by Gordon’s agent to get Orlando more quickly into his preferred contract range.
That's a viable line of thought, as well.
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Looks like Myles has been putting in serious work to transform his body, so I'm very excited to see him bounce back after stagnating this past season.
Definite NO for me re trade.
Definite NO for me re trade.
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I’d trade Sabonis before Myles simply because of his ability to stretch the floor and shot blocking. However, I think you keep Sabonis for as long as you can as long as he’s happy.
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I'm a big Myles fan and I've never been shy about it. I definitely wouldn't be looking to trade him, and I would only agree to ship him out if we were acquiring a legit All Star on a 2+ year deal. I think Myles still has plenty of room to improve and he is committed to putting in the work. I really think he and Domas can play together as well.
Given that Pritchard has a guy like Oladipo to point to and say "look, he was good but other teams gave up before he became GREAT" makes it highly unlikely that Pritch tries to move Myles before we can definitively say whether he'll reach his highest potential or not.
Given that Pritchard has a guy like Oladipo to point to and say "look, he was good but other teams gave up before he became GREAT" makes it highly unlikely that Pritch tries to move Myles before we can definitively say whether he'll reach his highest potential or not.
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pizza guy wrote:Given that Pritchard has a guy like Oladipo to point to and say "look, he was good but other teams gave up before he became GREAT" makes it highly unlikely that Pritch tries to move Myles before we can definitively say whether he'll reach his highest potential or not.
who do you see receiving that speach? a reporter? a Simon? a coach? are you thinking there is a faction inside the organization pushing for a trade? they probably do game play all options but???
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Wizop wrote:pizza guy wrote:Given that Pritchard has a guy like Oladipo to point to and say "look, he was good but other teams gave up before he became GREAT" makes it highly unlikely that Pritch tries to move Myles before we can definitively say whether he'll reach his highest potential or not.
who do you see receiving that speach? a reporter? a Simon? a coach? are you thinking there is a faction inside the organization pushing for a trade? they probably do game play all options but???
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I'm not saying Pritchard is genuinely thinking about trading Turner, but it seems like the organization does at least look at many of the options and directions that are available for the franchise to go in. Just because the topic came up doesn't mean anyone was pushing for it specifically, but I think if casual fans have had the idea then the people running the organization are very likely to have looked at it as well.
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Wizop wrote:pizza guy wrote:Given that Pritchard has a guy like Oladipo to point to and say "look, he was good but other teams gave up before he became GREAT" makes it highly unlikely that Pritch tries to move Myles before we can definitively say whether he'll reach his highest potential or not.
who do you see receiving that speach? a reporter? a Simon? a coach? are you thinking there is a faction inside the organization pushing for a trade? they probably do game play all options but???
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No one specific, just in general. Pritch has that example to point to, and think about, and he can tell other teams or the media - or maybe himself - that giving up too early might come back to bite us.
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If we could get a relatively young great two way SF with 3PT range then I’d be okay with a trade.
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I think we tend to overrate Myles' defense because of his shotblocking numbers. The weird thing is that his at rim defensive FG% this past season is actually worse than Domas' (though both aren't great). He was better in previous seasons, but still nothing like Roy Hibbert dominance.
But more importantly, the critical defensive ability these days is the ability to switch, rather than defending the rim. Myles, alas, just doesn't project well here. Can his other defensive qualities offset this weakness? I don't know and it's troubling.
I like Myles' potential much more on offense. He is a very good shooter (he is one of the league leaders in FG% from midrange off the pick and pop) and definitely has value as a floor spacer. The question is, can he do more? He didn't exactly show it last season. He's not a guy who can create his own shot, so no doubt the offensive scheme is in part to blame. But he hasn't exactly helped himself either with the lack of assertiveness and diversity in his offensive game. An ability to punish smaller defenders is going to be key for him. If he can do that consistently, he's an instant mismatch on offense, and that's where I think his future value lies. Without it though, he's basically a taller Bojan Bogdanovic with less range.
I hope this doesn't come across as overly negative on Myles. FWIW, I think he is still by far the best chance the Pacers have of developing a second star. I like Domas a ton too, but to me he is a superb glue guy who is never going to be an exceptional scorer. I think Myles can be that. But with decision time coming up, he needs to show more, and fast.
In my opinion, there is unlikely to be a trade that gets the Pacers the same quality of player as Myles but at a different position. So I agree with the general consensus that the Pacers should first of all try to make it work with Myles.
But more importantly, the critical defensive ability these days is the ability to switch, rather than defending the rim. Myles, alas, just doesn't project well here. Can his other defensive qualities offset this weakness? I don't know and it's troubling.
I like Myles' potential much more on offense. He is a very good shooter (he is one of the league leaders in FG% from midrange off the pick and pop) and definitely has value as a floor spacer. The question is, can he do more? He didn't exactly show it last season. He's not a guy who can create his own shot, so no doubt the offensive scheme is in part to blame. But he hasn't exactly helped himself either with the lack of assertiveness and diversity in his offensive game. An ability to punish smaller defenders is going to be key for him. If he can do that consistently, he's an instant mismatch on offense, and that's where I think his future value lies. Without it though, he's basically a taller Bojan Bogdanovic with less range.
I hope this doesn't come across as overly negative on Myles. FWIW, I think he is still by far the best chance the Pacers have of developing a second star. I like Domas a ton too, but to me he is a superb glue guy who is never going to be an exceptional scorer. I think Myles can be that. But with decision time coming up, he needs to show more, and fast.
In my opinion, there is unlikely to be a trade that gets the Pacers the same quality of player as Myles but at a different position. So I agree with the general consensus that the Pacers should first of all try to make it work with Myles.