Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[verbal8]

I am a huge Otto Porter fan, but Leonard would be a chance at a Superstar. With the Wall contract, I figure the Wizards window is 2 maybe 3 years. If acquiring Leonard would put us into a real contender level, it is worth the significant long-term risk of moving Porter.

It would be even better for the Wizards if the Spurs were willing to accept Beal or Wall instead, but I think Porter would be the more likely target on the Spurs side.

This is likely all moot because it seems the Raptors are in the lead towards acquiring Leonard.

[NatP4]

Well, the raptors have Kawhi Leonard now..

[NatP4]

LOL, Toronto might be giving up Derozan, Anunoby, and a 1st round pick for a guy that sits out all year

[queridiculo]

Yet another case were the Wizards lack of assets has them ill prepared for a situation like this.

[NatP4]

That’s the equivalent to us giving up Beal, Oubre, and a 1st, for a guy that has no interest in being a raptor.

Awful

[JWizmentality]

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Nonsense. If we're ignoring contracts, and strictly looking to be the best we can be. It's either Beal or Porter getting shipped out. Preferably Beal.

why would we ever "ignore contracts"? you think we're beating GS in 2018-2019?? and even then, your statement is pretty debatable. I 100% feel that Otto Porter is more important to this team than Wall. He's our best player.

I'm just talking about Xs and Os dude. Yes, ignoring contracts. Nobody's beating G-State now or anytime in the near future. Otto Porter is our most efficient player. He doesn't move the needle though. He's too passive. He doesn't take over games. I get it. You don't like John Wall, but he's our best player.

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[NatP4]

Nonsense. If we're ignoring contracts, and strictly looking to be the best we can be. It's either Beal or Porter getting shipped out. Preferably Beal.

why would we ever "ignore contracts"? you think we're beating GS in 2018-2019?? and even then, your statement is pretty debatable. I 100% feel that Otto Porter is more important to this team than Wall. He's our best player.

I'm just talking about Xs and Os dude. Yes, ignoring contracts. Nobody's beating G-State now or anytime in the near future. Otto Porter is our most efficient player. He doesn't move the needle though. He's too passive. He doesn't take over games. I get it. You don't like John Wall, but he's our best player.

Based on some YouTube highlights and 2K ratings, got it.

[JWizmentality]

why would we ever "ignore contracts"? you think we're beating GS in 2018-2019?? and even then, your statement is pretty debatable. I 100% feel that Otto Porter is more important to this team than Wall. He's our best player.

I'm just talking about Xs and Os dude. Yes, ignoring contracts. Nobody's beating G-State now or anytime in the near future. Otto Porter is our most efficient player. He doesn't move the needle though. He's too passive. He doesn't take over games. I get it. You don't like John Wall, but he's our best player.

Based on some YouTube highlights and 2K ratings, got it.

You're real bitter dude. Wall run over your puppy or something?

[NatP4]

I'm just talking about Xs and Os dude. Yes, ignoring contracts. Nobody's beating G-State now or anytime in the near future. Otto Porter is our most efficient player. He doesn't move the needle though. He's too passive. He doesn't take over games. I get it. You don't like John Wall, but he's our best player.

Based on some YouTube highlights and 2K ratings, got it.

You're real bitter dude. Wall run over your puppy or something?

Compared to some of your posts about Beal?? Come on dude

[JWizmentality]

Based on some YouTube highlights and 2K ratings, got it.

You're real bitter dude. Wall run over your puppy or something?

Compared to some of your posts about Beal?? Come on dude

I like shooters who can shoot.

But honestly, my only criticisms of Beal only came about because you, CCJ and others started to push your Wall agenda all over the board, and when it comes down to it, he's far more flawed than Wall. Except for Wall contract, he's the better, more talented player period. Unlike you, I remember what Wall is capable of at his peak...something Otto nor Beal is likely to reach. Dems the brakes. But no matter what either of us think, Ernie and Ted aren't trading him unless he wants out so yeah....booyah.

[NatP4]

You're real bitter dude. Wall run over your puppy or something?

Compared to some of your posts about Beal?? Come on dude

I like shooters who can shoot.

Career 40% 3pt shooter, 80% from the FT line.....in the first 45 minutes of the game lol

[JWizmentality]

Compared to some of your posts about Beal?? Come on dude

I like shooters who can shoot.

Career 40% 3pt shooter, 80% from the FT line.....in the first 45 minutes of the game lol

Exactly...I should have prefaced that with when it matters.

[Ruzious]

Yes, I like Otto but not for his contract. Sending him alone would be unlikely to get a deal done. I rather get that off the books and take a chance of elevating the team to a higher level instead of staying as a subpar PO team every year.

WE ARE NOT SUBPAR BECAUSE OF OTTO PORTER

he is worth every single penny of that max deal. Basketball is not all about points per game and flashy highlights. Otto Porter is our best defender. he rebounds as well as our starting PF, he can guard multiple positions effectively. He plays harder than anyone else on the team. He's extremely high character, he's a ridiculously efficient offensive player that literally never does dumb sh**. Can score from every level, doesn't turn it over, doesn't ever hijack the offense, always hustles and makes the extra effort plays. The guy has never even had poor body language on the court once, on a dumpster fire team that loses to every sub 500 team in the NBA, never once has he even thrown his arms up in the air at a teammate.

I mean, he averages 17-7-2-2 only 1.1 turnovers per 36 on .600 TS% and is basically top 20 in the NBA for every advanced stat known to man. He's also only 24 years old.

He is EXACTLY what you want in a basketball player. If we lose him "just to get his contract off the books" this franchise is completely f***** and i'm out. Hell, I might be somewhat happy to see him go, just so he can up his usage somewhere else, playing for a coach that isn't a moron, and show all of the casual fans that he can easily average 20 ppg

Yes, we are not subpar because of Otto but I'd be ok if he has to go to bring on Kawhi - even if only for a year. I think Wall's deal is near unmovable. Even if Kawhi did walk after a year it would give us more flexibility that the current situation.

I rather see the Wizards roll the dice instead of every regular/postseason. We're just spinning our wheels at this point. I hope the Spurs feel the same way about Porter as you do.

We'd still be over the cap the next season even if we lose Leonard, so while yes, there'd be some increased flexibility as far as using exceptions, there would still be just limited flexibility.

[Error Afflalo]

I love that deal for Toronto. They weren't going anywhere with Lowry/DeRozan. Swinging for the fences was the right move.

[NatP4]

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[NatP4]

I love that deal for Toronto. They weren't going anywhere with Lowry/DeRozan. Swinging for the fences was the right move.

Yeah, IF he plays. Which is a massive “if”

[Error Afflalo]

That’s the equivalent to us giving up Beal, Oubre, and a 1st, for a guy that has no interest in being a raptor.

Awful

It's a little different. Beal is four years younger than DeRozan and a cleaner fit next to Aldridge, Murray, and the rest of SA's guys. He's also locked in for the same number of years as DeRozan. I'm willing to bet Beal's value is higher, which means a decent GM (which we don't have) could build a Kawhi-Beal deal without including Oubre and a 1st. Maybe one of those two, but not both.

With that said, I'd do Beal, Oubre, and a protected 1st for Kawhi and Green all day, but I'm not as high on our core as most.

[Error Afflalo]

I love that deal for Toronto. They weren't going anywhere with Lowry/DeRozan. Swinging for the fences was the right move.

Yeah, IF he plays. Which is a massive “if”

He'd be a moron to sit out the year if he's healthy.

[NatP4]

That’s the equivalent to us giving up Beal, Oubre, and a 1st, for a guy that has no interest in being a raptor.

Awful

It's a little different. Beal is four years younger than DeRozan and a cleaner fit next to Aldridge, Murray, and the rest of SA's guys. He's also locked in for the same number of years as DeRozan. I'm willing to bet Beal's value is higher, which means a decent GM (which we don't have) could build a Kawhi-Beal deal without including Oubre and a 1st. Maybe one of those two, but not both.

With that said, I'd do Beal, Oubre, and a protected 1st for Kawhi and Green all day, but I'm not as high on our core as most.

Yeah I posted that when I thought it was Anunoby instead of Poetl and an unprotected 2019 1st. I like the move from the raptors.

The spurs get a bad contract on a player that doesn’t play any defense, he’s already 29, the pick probably turns into a couple 2nd rounders, and Poetl is a low upside backup C at best.

And we can’t forget Danny Green. High character guy that is still great perimeter defender.