Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

[Tiny ball]

This team needs what Smart and Morris bring to the table. They are instigators. MArcus sets a tone.

I agree with most that. I like tuff guys when it comes to the playoffs and even if sitting on bench rs. But I would not consider either of these guys an enforcer. They are kind of tuff guys that never pay back the other team for hurting our guys. Soft almost tuff guys.

Lol did you seriously just use the term "soft" when describing Marcus Smart? And do you not remember him going right at J.R. Smith when J.R. shoved Horford?

Remember when wade slammed Isaiah to the floor knocking him out for like two weeks because Isaiah was killing them?Well I have not seen any pay back to that scumbag? His knees still work he has never ever been paid back. An enforcer would have got him back but worse. Remember Jr hitting Crowder so hard that he had to have surgery? An enforcer would have tried to send jr to hospital for few weeks or more. Celtics have been soft now for a very long time. Kelly olynyk was the last celtic that even try to be an enforcer and i don't think he really tried he was just a clutz? Sissies do not take championships in the NBA. If you are not willing to knock a guy out odds are you will never ever win a championship in the NBA.
Roll players need to do their role. If that is hurt them before they hurt you, scare them to death and they fear they will never ever play bb again so be it. No one on the Celtics fills that roll.

[3D Chess]

I think he's overpaid, but even beyond that, he was a top 5 player on the team when he got that deal.

But I'll give you that one for the sake of argument

So if the historically great team does that, it's not a bad idea, right?

Only if the Celtics plan on also being historically great I guess

Well what the **** else are they out here doing?

Are you seriously complaining about our roster being so good that our 6th best player makes a lot of money? Go support the Kings or something, see how that goes.

[truth18]

I agree with most that. I like tuff guys when it comes to the playoffs and even if sitting on bench rs. But I would not consider either of these guys an enforcer. They are kind of tuff guys that never pay back the other team for hurting our guys. Soft almost tuff guys.

Lol did you seriously just use the term "soft" when describing Marcus Smart? And do you not remember him going right at J.R. Smith when J.R. shoved Horford?

Remember when wade slammed Isaiah to the floor knocking him out for like two weeks because Isaiah was killing them?Well I have not seen any pay back to that scumbag? His knees still work he has never ever been paid back. An enforcer would have got him back but worse. Remember Jr hitting Crowder so hard that he had to have surgery? An enforcer would have tried to send jr to hospital for few weeks or more. Celtics have been soft now for a very long time. Kelly olynyk was the last celtic that even try to be an enforcer and i don't think he really tried he was just a clutz? Sissies do not take championships in the NBA. If you are not willing to knock a guy out odds are you will never ever win a championship in the NBA.
Roll players need to do their role. If that is hurt them before they hurt you, scare them to death and they fear they will never ever play bb again so be it. No one on the Celtics fills that roll.

Is this a serious post?

[tombattor]

So if the historically great team does that, it's not a bad idea, right?

Only if the Celtics plan on also being historically great I guess

Well what the **** else are they out here doing?

Are you seriously complaining about our roster being so good that our 5th best player makes a lot of money? Go support the Kings or something, see how that goes.

Well, we are talking NBA, so everyone gets PAID. Even the 5th best player on a team...

[celticfan42487]

Overpaying role players is typically a bad idea.

However we lost Tony Allen for nothing and that probably cost us a championship.

Finally, SOMETHING is happening.

Guess this means we're trading Rozier soon?

If we're paying Smart that much money we must want him as our secondary ball handler right? And we're getting that SAC pick as well as we'll have ring chasers coming to our team next off season.

Doubt we want to pay both Smart and Rozier 12+ million to come off the bench with 2/3 of our starting lineup on maxes for the foreseeable future (either it'll be Irving and Hayward, or rotating to Brown and Tatum).

I think Rozier stays as an insurance for Irving and is let go if everything works out well with Irving. This team is going after the title next year. Why weaken the team?

Hmm well you don't need Rozier as insurance if Smart is signed for 4 years. Smart is your insurance.

Rozier and Irving leaves, Smarts your starter and is paid like one.

And Rozier is someone that should be easy to trade, theoretically if Irving leaves you need an asset to replace him... Rozier for a draft pick is that asset.

If Irving stays you don't have the money to pay both Rozier and Smart.. but you have the money for a draft pick.

So it kind of seems like in this case the best move is to trade Rozier.

I know it sucks for the run for this season, but we do have a window of like 5 years here I would think. So you're going to want to do what maximizes your chances for the majority of those years. And it doesn't hurt that next year two of the contenders in the Raptors and Warriors should lose what is multi time all star players in Kawhi and Cousins.

He doesn't have to though I hear you, Rozier could be insurance. Also no one knows how much the owners will pay. So maybe Ainge is confident they'll pay the cost to hold onto Rozier after matching and he can just trade one of Rozier or Smart after matching if Irving resigns. Not the worst option at all.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

Iguodala is the 5th best player on the warriors right now.

Of course that may change once Cousins comes back.

Cousins?

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As I type this Iguodala is the 5th best player on the warriors and has been for years. Cousins won't be back until February and lets be honest a starting player on an all star team taking 5.3m the very next year is very fluky and won't happen again.

[GotDaSauce]

Overpaying role players is typically a bad idea.

However we lost Tony Allen for nothing and that probably cost us a championship.

Finally, SOMETHING is happening.

Guess this means we're trading Rozier soon?

If we're paying Smart that much money we must want him as our secondary ball handler right? And we're getting that SAC pick as well as we'll have ring chasers coming to our team next off season.

Doubt we want to pay both Smart and Rozier 12+ million to come off the bench with 2/3 of our starting lineup on maxes for the foreseeable future (either it'll be Irving and Hayward, or rotating to Brown and Tatum).

Also we've seen NBA players recently break out post their second contract. There's a chance in his next deal he could be like a 34.5% 3 point shooter. Nothing great but that would at least give him the ability to play off ball.

12.5 million feels like pretty much the most Smart could ever get in any market, but Ainge knows what he's doing and he's worked with the owners long enough to know how much they'd pay in lux tax. So only he truly knows what kind of finances he's playing with. And if Smart makes any development in his game which is unlikley but could happen it'll be a reasonable contract. In 2 years the 2016 contracts are going to come off the books and teams will have the cap space to be able to make trades again.

TRo is Kyrie insurance. He is not going anywhere this year unless the trade is for a player we want to keep going forward.

[Tiny ball]

Lol did you seriously just use the term "soft" when describing Marcus Smart? And do you not remember him going right at J.R. Smith when J.R. shoved Horford?

Remember when wade slammed Isaiah to the floor knocking him out for like two weeks because Isaiah was killing them?Well I have not seen any pay back to that scumbag? His knees still work he has never ever been paid back. An enforcer would have got him back but worse. Remember Jr hitting Crowder so hard that he had to have surgery? An enforcer would have tried to send jr to hospital for few weeks or more. Celtics have been soft now for a very long time. Kelly olynyk was the last celtic that even try to be an enforcer and i don't think he really tried he was just a clutz? Sissies do not take championships in the NBA. If you are not willing to knock a guy out odds are you will never ever win a championship in the NBA.
Roll players need to do their role. If that is hurt them before they hurt you, scare them to death and they fear they will never ever play bb again so be it. No one on the Celtics fills that roll.

Is this a serious post?

Yes.I assume you never ever tried to win in Basketball. You remember Robert Parish and him fixing bill laimbeer

[smith2373]

So if the historically great team does that, it's not a bad idea, right?

Only if the Celtics plan on also being historically great I guess

Well what the **** else are they out here doing?

Are you seriously complaining about our roster being so good that our 6th best player makes a lot of money? Go support the Kings or something, see how that goes.

No I'm complaining because they're paying a player more money than he's worth and we're in a league that has a salary cap. I wouldn't give a **** how much they gave Smart otherwise

Ahh yes, peak RealGM. If you're not a yes-man to everything that the team does, then you're not a real fan.

[truth18]

Remember when wade slammed Isaiah to the floor knocking him out for like two weeks because Isaiah was killing them?Well I have not seen any pay back to that scumbag? His knees still work he has never ever been paid back. An enforcer would have got him back but worse. Remember Jr hitting Crowder so hard that he had to have surgery? An enforcer would have tried to send jr to hospital for few weeks or more. Celtics have been soft now for a very long time. Kelly olynyk was the last celtic that even try to be an enforcer and i don't think he really tried he was just a clutz? Sissies do not take championships in the NBA. If you are not willing to knock a guy out odds are you will never ever win a championship in the NBA.
Roll players need to do their role. If that is hurt them before they hurt you, scare them to death and they fear they will never ever play bb again so be it. No one on the Celtics fills that roll.

Is this a serious post?

Yes.I assume you never ever tried to win in Basketball. You remember Robert Parish and him fixing bill laimbeer

The point

^

Your head

[ConstableGeneva]

I thought the deal was close. Woj got me excited for nothing.

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[celticfan42487]

I thought the deal was close. Woj got me excited for nothing.

Read on Twitter

Woj doesn't bother tweeting for nothing as his entire career is having relevant tweets, I would ignore local sources on it. The "still a ways to go" could be haggling over 0.5 million and I think we can fully expect this to be wrapped up in 48 hours.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I thought the deal was close. Woj got me excited for nothing.

Read on Twitter

Schulz just tweeted that its close at 4/48-52. Im guessing 4/48 with 4M in incentives. Get excited!

[CelticsLV]

Overpaying role players is typically a bad idea.

However we lost Tony Allen for nothing and that probably cost us a championship.

Finally, SOMETHING is happening.

Guess this means we're trading Rozier soon?

If we're paying Smart that much money we must want him as our secondary ball handler right? And we're getting that SAC pick as well as we'll have ring chasers coming to our team next off season.

Doubt we want to pay both Smart and Rozier 12+ million to come off the bench with 2/3 of our starting lineup on maxes for the foreseeable future (either it'll be Irving and Hayward, or rotating to Brown and Tatum).

I think Rozier stays as an insurance for Irving and is let go if everything works out well with Irving. This team is going after the title next year. Why weaken the team?

Hmm well you don't need Rozier as insurance if Smart is signed for 4 years. Smart is your insurance.

Rozier and Irving leaves, Smarts your starter and is paid like one.

And Rozier is someone that should be easy to trade, theoretically if Irving leaves you need an asset to replace him... Rozier for a draft pick is that asset.

If Irving stays you don't have the money to pay both Rozier and Smart.. but you have the money for a draft pick.

So it kind of seems like in this case the best move is to trade Rozier.

I know it sucks for the run for this season, but we do have a window of like 5 years here I would think. So you're going to want to do what maximizes your chances for the majority of those years. And it doesn't hurt that next year two of the contenders in the Raptors and Warriors should lose what is multi time all star players in Kawhi and Cousins.

He doesn't have to though I hear you, Rozier could be insurance. Also no one knows how much the owners will pay. So maybe Ainge is confident they'll pay the cost to hold onto Rozier after matching and he can just trade one of Rozier or Smart after matching if Irving resigns. Not the worst option at all.

Smart isn't remotely close to a replacement for Irving. His role is completely different on the floor. Imagine last years playoff team without Rozier and tell me where Smart helps in the case like that?

[djFan71]

Agreed. We don't know what Kyrie is going to do next year. Smart can run the offense and with T-Ro's scoring, we should be able to fill that hole.

Haha the two of them can't tie Kyries shoes.

Nobody is saying they can though..it's just an insurance move..unless you would prefer Larkin and Wannamaker to take over if Kyrie left..?

Terry has quite literally tied Kyrie's shoes on his own feet.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23428654/terry-rozier-took-kyrie-irving-shoes-now-filling-boston-celtics-nba

[3D Chess]

Only if the Celtics plan on also being historically great I guess

Well what the **** else are they out here doing?

Are you seriously complaining about our roster being so good that our 6th best player makes a lot of money? Go support the Kings or something, see how that goes.

No I'm complaining because they're paying a player more money than he's worth and we're in a league that has a salary cap. I wouldn't give a **** how much they gave Smart otherwise

Ahh yes, peak RealGM. If you're not a yes-man to everything that the team does, then you're not a real fan.

Not saying you're not a real fan, I am saying that having this 'problem' is huuuuge luxury that most teams can't even dream of. It's not your money, we are operating around the fringes of the cap, and even without signing Marcus we have zero wiggle room to bring in any impact player. As a bonus, this Smart deal gives us a good piece of trade ammo, something that would have been handy in the Kawhi sweepstakes.

[SMTBSI]

I thought the deal was close. Woj got me excited for nothing.

Read on Twitter

Schulz just tweeted that its close at 4/48-52. Im guessing 4/48 with 4M in incentives. Get excited!

That's right in line with the Yabs-dump number to dodge the tax. I get a maximum possible of 4/50.666242, if Nader is successfully moved to a team with cash to offset his waiving cost.

[Bad-Thoma]

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

You know the game goes on for 48 minutes, right? Even the guys in there at the end aren't in for the full 12 in the 4th quarter, and that's not saying Brad will or won't close the games with his best defender on the floor.

Sure. But why pay a guy $12 mil a year and use a theoretical matchup as one of the reasons why if you can't even say with confidence he'll be on the floor in crunch time for said matchup?

This has the potential to become a really semantic argument which I don't have time for, so I'll settle for saying Marcus has averaged almost 30 minutes a game for Brad and has consistently been one of the guys that finished out game, especially against really good offensive teams. If everyone is healthy and performing to their max abilities, then maybe, just maybe, Marcus won't be closing out the games, but that is a huge if. That's not a lack of confidence in Marcus, that's a testament to the talent on the roster. Regardless of who is in there in crunch time Marcus playing 25-30 minutes of disruptive, aggravating defense against any good offensive team, especially a perimeter oriented one, will be one of the reasons we'll be a team to take seriously. I get you don't like the money, I disagree but I don't feel the need to argue about it beyond this.

[jfs1000d]

Dude. This guy makes plays. He impacts the game and makes a difference. He isn’t a consistent offensive player, but he is a threat to shoot and score. And he gets streaky hot.

Much better player than ya’ll give him credit for. He’s a very very good basketball player.


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[celticfan42487]

I think Rozier stays as an insurance for Irving and is let go if everything works out well with Irving. This team is going after the title next year. Why weaken the team?

Hmm well you don't need Rozier as insurance if Smart is signed for 4 years. Smart is your insurance.

Rozier and Irving leaves, Smarts your starter and is paid like one.

And Rozier is someone that should be easy to trade, theoretically if Irving leaves you need an asset to replace him... Rozier for a draft pick is that asset.

If Irving stays you don't have the money to pay both Rozier and Smart.. but you have the money for a draft pick.

So it kind of seems like in this case the best move is to trade Rozier.

I know it sucks for the run for this season, but we do have a window of like 5 years here I would think. So you're going to want to do what maximizes your chances for the majority of those years. And it doesn't hurt that next year two of the contenders in the Raptors and Warriors should lose what is multi time all star players in Kawhi and Cousins.

He doesn't have to though I hear you, Rozier could be insurance. Also no one knows how much the owners will pay. So maybe Ainge is confident they'll pay the cost to hold onto Rozier after matching and he can just trade one of Rozier or Smart after matching if Irving resigns. Not the worst option at all.

Smart isn't remotely close to a replacement for Irving. His role is completely different on the floor. Imagine last years playoff team without Rozier and tell me where Smart helps in the case like that?

It does depend on what you could get for a trade of Rozier, but yeah I just mean in the sense of we just locked up a backup guard who is a ball handler. So in a non Irving world where we're **** no matter what, Smart can be our starting PG.

But yeah we'll see, holding onto Rozier and matching anything he gets then trying to trade one or both of them away to save on luxury tax is completely doable too. Lots depends on what is being offered and what we get with our Kings pick.

As for last year's team, yeah we'd be a lot worse with Smart instead of Rozier. But either way we wouldn't be winning so we have to do what's best for a team that has Irving, Hayward, Tatum on it. Not last years, because if it doesn't have that core on it then we're not winning so it doesn't matter.