Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

[djFan71]

I thought the deal was close. Woj got me excited for nothing.

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Schulz just tweeted that its close at 4/48-52. Im guessing 4/48 with 4M in incentives. Get excited!

That's right in line with the Yabs-dump number to dodge the tax. I get a maximum possible of 4/50.666242, if Nader is successfully moved to a team with cash to offset his waiving cost.

I'm all aboard the dump Yabs train! It's the only thing we'll have to argue about if this deal goes through.
For fun, I'd love it if we left enough room for one vet min pickup after signing Smart & dumping Yabs/Nader.

[ConstableGeneva]

Yeah, Murf has been Happy's mouthpiece.

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[SMTBSI]

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

You know the game goes on for 48 minutes, right? Even the guys in there at the end aren't in for the full 12 in the 4th quarter, and that's not saying Brad will or won't close the games with his best defender on the floor.

Sure. But why pay a guy $12 mil a year and use a theoretical matchup as one of the reasons why if you can't even say with confidence he'll be on the floor in crunch time for said matchup?

This deal is roughly 70% about Smart's contributions, and 30% about getting a mid-range contract on the books which can be used as future trade lubricant. (Made up numbers alert.)

Overpaying Smart a couple mil has the costs of: overpaying Smart a couple mil, and possibly having to give away (or pay to move) someone like Yabusele to duck the tax.

Getting Smart on the QO or not at all, possibly costs you the ability to construct a winning trade if someone with a big salary you want becomes available.

[Bad-Thoma]

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Boston

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Hmm well you don't need Rozier as insurance if Smart is signed for 4 years. Smart is your insurance.

Rozier and Irving leaves, Smarts your starter and is paid like one.

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Ugh that sounds horrible no way I'd want smart being our starting pg. We hosed ourselves here rozier can still grow tony allen isn't getting better at his flaws at all. Nice back up scrappy guy to have on the roster but come 50 mil no thank you.

[mbsnmisc]

You know the game goes on for 48 minutes, right? Even the guys in there at the end aren't in for the full 12 in the 4th quarter, and that's not saying Brad will or won't close the games with his best defender on the floor.

Sure. But why pay a guy $12 mil a year and use a theoretical matchup as one of the reasons why if you can't even say with confidence he'll be on the floor in crunch time for said matchup?

This deal is roughly 70% about Smart's contributions, and 30% about getting a mid-range contract on the books which can be used as future trade lubricant. (Made up numbers alert.)

Overpaying Smart a couple mil has the costs of: overpaying Smart a couple mil, and possibly having to give away (or pay to move) someone like Yabusele to duck the tax.

Getting Smart on the QO or not at all, possibly costs you the ability to construct a winning trade if someone with a big salary you want becomes available.

1) What if we offer Bird a 2 way and stretch/waive Nader? Will that save us enough to stay out of the tax? I like Bird, I think he is a fringe NBA player, but unless we lose 4 or 5 guys he will play less than 200 minutes this year.

2) What is the estimated cost to get Yabs off the roster?

[m haynes]

4/46 is super fair IMO. If Kyrie bolts next year, I'm pretty comfortable having Marcus as a starter for that type of money. At least until we find something better. Hopefully we get T.Ro to take a similar deal down the line.

Agreed. We don't know what Kyrie is going to do next year. Smart can run the offense and with T-Ro's scoring, we should be able to fill that hole.

Haha the two of them can't tie Kyries shoes.

Shoot sorry, I just got back from the (puking) bathroom after read the original post. Smart and Rozy whhhaaazttttttt!!!!!!!!!! RUFingKM!

[SMTBSI]

Sure. But why pay a guy $12 mil a year and use a theoretical matchup as one of the reasons why if you can't even say with confidence he'll be on the floor in crunch time for said matchup?

This deal is roughly 70% about Smart's contributions, and 30% about getting a mid-range contract on the books which can be used as future trade lubricant. (Made up numbers alert.)

Overpaying Smart a couple mil has the costs of: overpaying Smart a couple mil, and possibly having to give away (or pay to move) someone like Yabusele to duck the tax.

Getting Smart on the QO or not at all, possibly costs you the ability to construct a winning trade if someone with a big salary you want becomes available.

1) What if we only offer Bird a 2 way and stretch/waive Nader? Will that save us enough to stay out of the tax? I like Bird, I think he is a fringe NBA player, but unless we lose 4 or 5 guys he will play less than 200 minutes this year.

2) what is the estimated cost to get Yabs off the roster?

I've been assuming the waive+stretch of Nader, but HartfordWhalers made the point that it probably won't be hard to simply pay someone cash to waive him for us. It's not a dealbreaking distinction either way, but I think he's probably right, which saves either 64k or 90k.

Getting Bird on the 2-way does not get it done, unless the deal is down in the 4/44 range, which it doesn't sound like it will be. So, you're still short, and then need to move Yabs anyway. Might as well sign Bird and plan to move Yabs. The only reason to not sign Bird at that point is if you feel you can do better with the roster spot for another minimum guy in waiving season.

I have no idea what it would cost to move Yabs. I want to think that a SAC or BRK would take him for free, but maybe they value him so little that they'd rather try to squeeze something out of us. Can see it going either way. Being in the position of needing to move him, and everyone knowing you need to move him, is not the best place to be.

[m haynes]

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

If Smart wasn't such a chucker, I'd have no problem with him. But 4 years in, he's yet to shown any sign that he isn't a complete dumbass on that end. Some of you are willing to overlook that, I'm not. Simple. I'm not a fan of his and probably won't ever be, so it's probably best to just to agree to disagree

No one is overlooking his crappy shooting. But you are overlooking his defensive impact. You wouldn't want to put one of the best perimeter defenders on someone like Steph Curry? And to contend for a title, you have to stop Steph. That entire team, including KD, plays off of all the defensive attention being paid to Curry. And to me, Smart is absolutely the best candidate to try and disrupt that.

Who do u have sitting on the bench? You have to be a idiot to play him over the starting 5. Especially the 4th Q.

I'll play the game, I will place Brown on the bench! Brown pissed, see ya later demands trade Celts. You give MS, Browns minutes. Crazy stupid..

[tombattor]

Agreed. We don't know what Kyrie is going to do next year. Smart can run the offense and with T-Ro's scoring, we should be able to fill that hole.

Haha the two of them can't tie Kyries shoes.

Shoot sorry, I just got back from the (puking) bathroom after read the original post. Smart and Rozy whhhaaazttttttt!!!!!!!!!! RUFingKM!

Maybe you haven't noticed, but players leave in free agency and when that player leaves, you don't replace him with a cutout of that player. You replace him with other players on your roster. So guarding against that possibility is hardly vomit worthy.

[djFan71]

This deal is roughly 70% about Smart's contributions, and 30% about getting a mid-range contract on the books which can be used as future trade lubricant. (Made up numbers alert.)

Overpaying Smart a couple mil has the costs of: overpaying Smart a couple mil, and possibly having to give away (or pay to move) someone like Yabusele to duck the tax.

Getting Smart on the QO or not at all, possibly costs you the ability to construct a winning trade if someone with a big salary you want becomes available.

1) What if we only offer Bird a 2 way and stretch/waive Nader? Will that save us enough to stay out of the tax? I like Bird, I think he is a fringe NBA player, but unless we lose 4 or 5 guys he will play less than 200 minutes this year.

2) what is the estimated cost to get Yabs off the roster?

I've been assuming the waive+stretch of Nader, but HartfordWhalers made the point that it probably won't be hard to simply pay someone cash to waive him for us. It's not a dealbreaking distinction either way, but I think he's probably right, which saves either 64k or 90k.

Getting Bird on the 2-way does not get it done, unless the deal is down in the 4/44 range, which it doesn't sound like it will be. So, you're still short, and then need to move Yabs anyway. Might as well sign Bird and plan to move Yabs. The only reason to not sign Bird at that point is if you feel you can do better with the roster spot for another minimum guy in waiving season.

I have no idea what it would cost to move Yabs. I want to think that a SAC or BRK would take him for free, but maybe they value him so little that they'd rather try to squeeze something out of us. Can see it going either way. Being in the position of needing to move him, and everyone knowing you need to move him, is not the best place to be.

Wouldn't be surprised to see someone force Danny's hand with an offer to Bird right after this is done. It's not like the waiting period is a big deal anymore. Take a shot throw a min contract at him and see if you can catch us before we've really decided how it all plays out.

As for Yabs, I think someone would take him for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder. He's still got enough potential that I doubt we'll have to pay to unload him.

[tombattor]

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

If Smart wasn't such a chucker, I'd have no problem with him. But 4 years in, he's yet to shown any sign that he isn't a complete dumbass on that end. Some of you are willing to overlook that, I'm not. Simple. I'm not a fan of his and probably won't ever be, so it's probably best to just to agree to disagree

No one is overlooking his crappy shooting. But you are overlooking his defensive impact. You wouldn't want to put one of the best perimeter defenders on someone like Steph Curry? And to contend for a title, you have to stop Steph. That entire team, including KD, plays off of all the defensive attention being paid to Curry. And to me, Smart is absolutely the best candidate to try and disrupt that.

Who do u have sitting on the bench? You have to be a idiot to play him over the starting 5. Especially the 4th Q.

I'll play the game, I will place Brown on the bench! Brown pissed, see ya later demands trade Celts. You give MS, Browns minutes. Crazy stupid..

Who cares? We'll play who's playing well and helping us win. You know that not every player plays 48 minutes, right? So there are ways to stagger and give playing time to all your key players. If Kyrie is killing it and we have no use for Smart, then fine. Keep him on the bench. I don't have to see Smart out there. But if Steph is torching us and we need someone to get in his face, I'd want Marcus in there. Signing Marcus doesn't mean we are losing any of our core players. Smart adds to them.

Why are people having such a hard time understanding simple concepts?

[Bill Lumbergh]

This feels like the Avery contract to me. Most people thought Avery was getting overpaid at 8M per, and that 6M was more appropriate. Well, salaries are forecast to go up a lot over the next couple of years. Methinks this will end up looking like a bargain after a couple of years, much like Avery's did.

[Froob]

Despite Smart being an awful shooter, I think he’s actually a really good modern NBA player. Doesn’t matter what position he is, if he’s one of your five guys, he finds ways to impact the game positively.

[Bad-Thoma]

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

If Smart wasn't such a chucker, I'd have no problem with him. But 4 years in, he's yet to shown any sign that he isn't a complete dumbass on that end. Some of you are willing to overlook that, I'm not. Simple. I'm not a fan of his and probably won't ever be, so it's probably best to just to agree to disagree

No one is overlooking his crappy shooting. But you are overlooking his defensive impact. You wouldn't want to put one of the best perimeter defenders on someone like Steph Curry? And to contend for a title, you have to stop Steph. That entire team, including KD, plays off of all the defensive attention being paid to Curry. And to me, Smart is absolutely the best candidate to try and disrupt that.

Who do u have sitting on the bench? You have to be a idiot to play him over the starting 5. Especially the 4th Q.

I'll play the game, I will place Brown on the bench! Brown pissed, see ya later Celts. You give MS Browns minutes. Crazy stupid..

You know it's been a fairly good debate, hopping in with inferences that people are idiots if they disagree with you is bound to bring it down.

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Woj isn't connected with the Celtics, he said Horford is going to stay wit Atlanta right? So this must be from Marcus' agent. I doubt this is true, but Ainge has overpaid his own free agents in the past. Jeff Green, Scalabrine etc...hope it's more between 4/40 to 4/44.
He isn't that good to get that kind of money anyway, intangibles is nonsense When it comes to actual money and the cap, get this guy for 3/30 or 3/36 and call it an offseason.

[m haynes]

Haha the two of them can't tie Kyries shoes.

Shoot sorry, I just got back from the (puking) bathroom after read the original post. Smart and Rozy whhhaaazttttttt!!!!!!!!!! RUFingKM!

Maybe you haven't noticed, but players leave in free agency and when that player leaves, you don't replace him with a cutout of that player. You replace him with other players on your roster. So guarding against that possibility is hardly vomit worthy.

Sorry Tom but thats not how it reads.

Smart can run the offense and with T-Ro's scoring, we should be able to fill that hole.

That like adding a cup of water to a desert and saying we have water hole!

IMO MS has zero offensive game. he would be a complete failure if he played the whole game

[Bad-Thoma]

This feels like the Avery contract to me. Most people thought Avery was getting overpaid at 8M per, and that 6M was more appropriate. Well, salaries are forecast to go up a lot of the next couple of years. Methinks this will end up looking like a bargain after a couple of years, much like Avery's did.

Exactly, by year 4 it will only be about 20% over MLE money and Marcus won't have hit 30 yet. That's assuming the reported contract is even accurate, it'll be interesting to see where it actually falls.

[SLCceltic]

SUCH GREAT NEWS !!!
MY MAN'S GON STAY IN GREEN FOR A WHILE !!!!

THIS IS YR 5 TOO ! .. the player he is at the end of this season will roughly be the player he will be for the remainder of his career .. in other words, there is still another year for vast development potential remaining for Marcus ! I AM THRILLED