Let's Make a Deal: Thunder Trade Targets

[oreojenkins]

You keep saying there's an opportunity cost to this type of move, but I see it in the opposite sense. Waiving and stretching saves money they can't spend on the team. I never thought they'd pay $300 mil for a team that has next to zero chance of winning it all. They're over the cap for the next 3 years. You get rid of Melo for nothing, you have the exceptions to improve the roster, but they're going to use those whether or not someone like Schroder is on the team. There's an opportunity cost to not keeping salary on the books or getting a TPE. You're locking yourself into the roster as is. They have money to pay the tax, but they need a way to make the team better. Once they locked into PG, the course was set. Can't skimp out now.

There are only two scenarios where I see Noel on the team after this next season... either he is serviceable as a backup and nothing more or he plays well enough for the full MLE, wants to stay, and they trade Adams for cheaper assets to fill out the roster.

[getrichordie]

I wouldn't be shocked to see Schroder rehab his value here and be an interesting trade piece next offseason.

How many minutes a game are you giving Schroder? Russ is playing 35 a night. You are going to pay Schroder $15M to play 13 minutes? How does he rehab his value in 15ish minutes a game? Felton got 16 minutes a game last year to put it in perspective. Reggie only played over 15 minutes during the season Russ and kd were injured then the following season until he was traded. Are you going to start Schroder over Roberson to give him 25+ minutes a game? I don't see how Schroder does anything except cause a massive distraction unless you are going to play him big minutes and probably over better players.

Muscala is a nice player, but where is his playing time coming from? Grant just got paid and they are going to bench him for Muscala? Granted Muscala would be a much better fit since he can stretch the floor, but then why pay Grant $9M/yr if you were looking to find someone to replace him in the rotation? Bazemore would make sense given that he would be a significant upgrade to the wing rotation. Schroder is not a significant upgrade to Felton and at 6'1 Schroder isn't a combo guard.

I think Schroder will play around 18 minutes and will be on the court with Russ at times. If you think Schroder isn't a significant upgrade to Felton, well that's where the disconnect lies. Schroder is comparable to Bazemore in terms of impact right now, but one is 24 and one is 28. Schroder makes less for more years. The team last year was paper thin, adding guys who can play as assets isn't a bad thing. Bazemore isn't going to help the Thunder hop the Warriors next season, so the vision needs to be a little longer than fielding the best team next season where all the pieces fit nicely.

This! Having Schroder improves our bench immensely from a defensive standpoint alone and then if you factor in that this will allow us to conserve Westbrook a little bit more, thus extending his career, well, you do it. Plus we can always save money later by shuffling pieces.


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[Thunder Up]

If you have to throw in an Abrines and a pick with Melo to get the job done, do it and don't look back..

Russ / Schroder / Felton
Roberson / Ferguson / Diallo / Burton
PG13 / Ferguson / Diallo / Singler (stretch him!)
Grant / 2Pat / Muscala
Adams / Noel / Dakari

[Pillendreher]

Having Schroder improves our bench immensely from a defensive standpoint alone

Eh what?

and then if you factor in that this will allow us to conserve Westbrook a little bit more, thus extending his career, well, you do it.

You can't play them together. And you don't want to cut Westbrook's minutes so you can give them to Schröder. So what are we talking about here?

Plus we can always save money later by shuffling pieces.

Which are?

[Sun_Tzu]

If you have to throw in an Abrines and a pick with Melo to get the job done, do it and don't look back..

Russ / Schroder / Felton
Roberson / Ferguson / Diallo / Burton
PG13 / Ferguson / Diallo / Singler (stretch him!)
Grant / 2Pat / Muscala
Adams / Noel / Dakari

I don't see this at all. If OKC is taking on the worst contract in the trade, why would OKC be the team throwing in the sweetener. Maybe I am overvaluing 2019 cap space, but I think a deal built around Melo for Schroder and Muscala should have a draft pick or solid rookie contract coming back to OKC to pay for the future cap space. I also don't see Schroder as much of an upgrade to the bench. As for the depth chart, only one decent outside shooter in each of the starting and second units (unless we assume Ferguson picks it up), I don't think that cuts it in the modern NBA.

[Andre Roberstan]

Not for nothing, but Schröder has a reputation of being...not a good dude. Regardless of what his on-court performance is.

[slick_watts]

Not for nothing, but Schröder has a reputation of being...not a good dude. Regardless of what his on-court performance is.

i appreciate this.

[ThunderBolt]

Not for nothing, but Schröder has a reputation of being...not a good dude. Regardless of what his on-court performance is.

Did Kanter have a bad reputation when he arrived? Melo’s wasn’t great either.

[slick_watts]

ever since he started listening to all this rap music sam presti's turned into a thrill seeker.

[Thunder Up]

Schroder is a young talent who is controlled for 3 years, that's why

[Andre Roberstan]

Not for nothing, but Schröder has a reputation of being...not a good dude. Regardless of what his on-court performance is.

Did Kanter have a bad reputation when he arrived? Melo’s wasn’t great either.

This is beyond that. Not my place to tell, but Smitty's shared some things that make me want him very, very far away.

[ThunderBolt]

Not for nothing, but Schröder has a reputation of being...not a good dude. Regardless of what his on-court performance is.

Did Kanter have a bad reputation when he arrived? Melo’s wasn’t great either.

This is beyond that. Not my place to tell, but Smitty's shared some things that make me want him very, very far away.

You think Sam doesn’t know that or doesn’t care?

[Andre Roberstan]

Did Kanter have a bad reputation when he arrived? Melo’s wasn’t great either.

This is beyond that. Not my place to tell, but Smitty's shared some things that make me want him very, very far away.

You think Sam doesn’t know that or doesn’t care?

I think we have one report from an unverified source of debatable provenance, and that we can't confirm much more through other sources except that OKC and ATL have talked.

We also know the Hawks want to get rid of Schröder badly.

Beyond that we don't know much.

[retrobro90]

This is beyond that. Not my place to tell, but Smitty's shared some things that make me want him very, very far away.

You think Sam doesn’t know that or doesn’t care?

I think we have one report from an unverified source of debatable provenance, and that we can't confirm much more through other sources except that OKC and ATL have talked.

We also know the Hawks want to get rid of Schröder badly.

Beyond that we don't know much.

There's no way this Schroder noise is real. If they're willing to take back that much salary they can get better players from other teams. Why not just go out and get Blake or K Love if you're committed to paying an insane tax bill for 3 more years?

[Sun_Tzu]

You think Sam doesn’t know that or doesn’t care?

I think we have one report from an unverified source of debatable provenance, and that we can't confirm much more through other sources except that OKC and ATL have talked.

We also know the Hawks want to get rid of Schröder badly.

Beyond that we don't know much.

There's no way this Schroder noise is real. If they're willing to take back that much salary they can get better players from other teams. Why not just go out and get Blake or K Love if you're committed to paying an insane tax bill for 3 more years?

Although I agree that we can get better players and fits than Schröder if we are taking back multi year contracts, Blake and K Love seem a little on the high side. I doubt we are willing to increase the tax bill. I think the ideal is a two year contract in the 16-20M range. That saves 50-60M in 18/19 and likely makes us better.

[retrobro90]

I think we have one report from an unverified source of debatable provenance, and that we can't confirm much more through other sources except that OKC and ATL have talked.

We also know the Hawks want to get rid of Schröder badly.

Beyond that we don't know much.

There's no way this Schroder noise is real. If they're willing to take back that much salary they can get better players from other teams. Why not just go out and get Blake or K Love if you're committed to paying an insane tax bill for 3 more years?

Although I agree that we can get better players and fits than Schröder if we are taking back multi year contracts, Blake and K Love seem a little on the high side. I doubt we are willing to increase the tax bill. I think the ideal is a two year contract in the 16-20M range. That saves 50-60M in 18/19 and likely makes us better.

Yeah for sure that was a little hyperbole but the main point is if they're not gonna be saving much they can target much better guys than Dennis

[Thunder Up]

There's no way this Schroder noise is real. If they're willing to take back that much salary they can get better players from other teams. Why not just go out and get Blake or K Love if you're committed to paying an insane tax bill for 3 more years?

Although I agree that we can get better players and fits than Schröder if we are taking back multi year contracts, Blake and K Love seem a little on the high side. I doubt we are willing to increase the tax bill. I think the ideal is a two year contract in the 16-20M range. That saves 50-60M in 18/19 and likely makes us better.

Yeah for sure that was a little hyperbole but the main point is if they're not gonna be saving much they can target much better guys than Dennis

Show me the situations where there are better players than a young starting caliber PG (who would make our bench excellent - major major team need) available, along with that team being willing to take on Melo and then drop him.

[bondom34]

Schroder is on no way a starting caliber PG.

I'd rather keep Melo than him.

[slick_watts]

Although I agree that we can get better players and fits than Schröder if we are taking back multi year contracts, Blake and K Love seem a little on the high side. I doubt we are willing to increase the tax bill. I think the ideal is a two year contract in the 16-20M range. That saves 50-60M in 18/19 and likely makes us better.

Yeah for sure that was a little hyperbole but the main point is if they're not gonna be saving much they can target much better guys than Dennis

Show me the situations where there are better players than a young starting caliber PG (who would make our bench excellent - major major team need) available, along with that team being willing to take on Melo and then drop him.

is it worth the additional $50-70 million in luxury tax / salary over the next three seasons relative to stretching melo to acquire dennis schroder?

it's not just about what is available, there is a cost involved. spending all that money on a back-up point guard to play 13 minutes behind westbrook is quite ridiculous in my opinion. schroder making our bench 'excellent'? really? paul george couldn't do that-- we had the worst bench in the league with him involved. what makes you think schroder could?

the thunder will remember spending all that money now on such a marginal upgrade when it's time to possibly spend on other things later. they're not going to have a $250 million payroll without future consequences.

[Thunder Up]

Schroder is on no way a starting caliber PG.

I'd rather keep Melo than him.

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