2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[BobbieL]

It's probably been explored for a month but it's kind of hard to see an obvious move. If they wanted Schroeder the deal would be done but smartly they have resisted that so far.

Had SA not traded for DD I thought that was a possible destination if they traded Leonard.

It's hard to find a good partner for Warren. Can anyone think of a team that would take him without sending a bad contact back? I'm not saying he's a bad player but he's a weird fit on most teams.

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There is no obvious move but it make sense to move a guy who has some value, has some ability but playing a position where we're already strong for a guy who has some value, has some ability and plays a position where we need depth. He's kind of the odd man out because I wouldn't think they'd look at moving JJ this quickly.

I'd love to see if we can somehow grab Rubio from Utah.

In a vacuum hes a valuable player but the reality is he's only as valuable as the demand for his services. That's the problem in my eyes because I just don't see the desire to get him for other teams.

I completely agree he's redundant on this roster and it would be great if he could land them a PG or a 4.

It's a weird roster. Maybe I'm bias because I simply don't have faith in mcd. But has he ever had a roster that made sense? He collects assets like baseball cards but then acts surprised when it doesn't fit on the floor.

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From my stand point in reviewing the Warriors path to this excellence of four years - two things were pretty important:

1) they had a player in Ellis that netted them Bogut. I see TJ Warren as "Monte Ellis" - a redundant player on the roster. The Warriors were able to get something of value for Ellis. I am sure the Suns have tried - just a hard fit unless you give the guy away

2) steph Curry signed the 4/44 contract. and than exploded. Booker -- is signing a 5/156 contract. So that was a bit of we will pay you a bit more than you have probably earned but the final three years of that contract Curry totally outplayed it. But the Curry contract kept there cap pretty decent

So back to Warren - like Week said - it would be nice to get 1 or 4 - but just hard to find that fit.

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Too much money for a 15 mpg guy who is around 30 years old.

But the GM is Divac, so not surprise here.

Speaking of a guy who fits that criteria, is there any chance that the roster spot we are apparently trying to open is for Anthony Randolph?

[matt131]

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[BobbieL]

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I like Smart as a player but not for the Suns current roster and not for those long term dollars

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I like Smart as a player but not for the Suns current roster and not for those long term dollars

Maybe they are are not sure Irving will resign next year.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

He won't net anything close to even a starter back lol

We'd be stupid *not* to explore trades from a position we're already stacked at.

This x1000 most of the NBA realizes Warren is a 1 trick pony that can only score and hit mid range floaters.

There is overvaluing our own players, but there is undervaluing them as well. I see both here.

I don't think there's any way we could move Warren in a deal that would make this team better next season. He was our second best player last season and may be that again this season, depending on the progress our young guys make. No good reason to move on from TJ.

I'd still like to add one more big to take Tyson's spot, given the extreme youth of our current options at the 5 (Ayton, Bender, Chriss), but we have a ton of wing depth, we have shooters, we have scoring, rebounding, defense, a new system that should reduce turnovers and get us better shots and a coach that should get a lot more out of this team on the defensive end. IMO, we have a legit shot at taking a playoff spot this year. Moving Warren in a deal for someone other than a star would really jeopardize our chances.

Besides. The best path forward for us is to aim for internal improvement. We need Ayton to hit. We need one of Bender or Chriss to hit. We need one of JJ or Bridges to hit. And hell, all of those guys could be much better next season. If we want to trade for a star, best to give it a year, see our team and players improve. Then - if we still so desire - you make your play for a star. In a perfect world, we would just roll into the future with the guys we have.

[bwgood77]

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I thought this might be the gaspar that posted here for a long time but then once he said he was in Australia so I figured it wasn't.

[jcsunsfan]

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I like Smart as a player but not for the Suns current roster and not for those long term dollars

That is a reasonable contract for Smart. It's what a quality one-dimensional young player gets these days. Similar to Warren.

[bwgood77]

I think TJ is mostly undervalued here. I understand his limitations and therefore think his trade value is limited. The fact is you need reliable efficient scorers, and we don't have many proven ones yet. Ayton and Bridges may be that, but Bridges is more likely more of a catch and shoot guy and Ayton will be inside.

I think the midrange game can be important if you are very efficient, and as long as you don't have your whole team working there and the midrange scorer is fairly efficient.

Now obviously he needs to work on defense, and if he could hit the 3 he would be a lethal scorer. I don't think either is out of the question.

If it's proven he's not needed than trading him is fine, but we'd need to get equal value and that might be hard to come by. I think Igor will really be able to use a player like him.

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His dad was attacking Bender in social media right? Well it looks like both are busts but at least Bender lasted longer in the league

His dad was trying to warn teams about Bender

https://deadspin.com/kings-draftees-father-is-a-fiery-irrepressible-twitter-1782572859

[jcsunsfan]

I think TJ is mostly undervalued here. I understand his limitations and therefore think his trade value is limited. The fact is you need reliable efficient scorers, and we don't have many proven ones yet. Ayton and Bridges may be that, but Bridges is more likely more of a catch and shoot guy and Ayton will be inside.

I think the midrange game can be important if you are very efficient, and as long as you don't have your whole team working there and the midrange scorer is fairly efficient.

Now obviously he needs to work on defense, and if he could hit the 3 he would be a lethal scorer. I don't think either is out of the question.

If it's proven he's not needed than trading him is fine, but we'd need to get equal value and that might be hard to come by. I think Igor will really be able to use a player like him.

We forget how lethal TJ really is in the midrange. He is one of the best finishers in the league. He can go from catch to hoop faster than most any player I have ever seen. All that means that you get lots of points from him without having him dominate the ball. He is undervalued because his skill set does not look good on a stat sheet. He does not get many assists. But frankly, I don't want him passing the ball, that is not his role. His roles is to make sure other players get assists by finishing with the passes he receives. If he could shoot 36% from three, he would be an NBA offensive cheat code. He would literally be one of the most potent offensive weapons in the league.

He is working harder on defense. This whole team was a defensive nightmare last year. But Triano is a notoriously bad defensive coach. His Toronto teams were horrible defensively. So, I am not sure how much is the individual player and how much is the system. Defensive stats are notoriously unreliable. TJ should start IMO until someone else beats him out. We are beyond the days of preferring younger players to develop them. We need to make them all work for their opportunities.

[Revived]

I hate the trade for the Raptors.

Leonard has been pretty clear about not wanting to play for the Raptors, he is gonna play so-so basketball for the season just waiting for the end.

DeRozan is an All Star in his prime under contract and Poelt is a solid young big that can help. I think that the Spurs are gonna be good next season, playoff team for sure.

I hate the trade for the Suns too as Booker’s chances of making an All Star team in the near future are lessened.

[Revived]

I still think a Warren trade is being explored

I doubt it. We'd be really really stupid to make a Warren trade unless he (and only he) brings a superstar back.

Very bold to say that Warren’s value to the Suns is that of a superstar.

[Sreister]

I still think a Warren trade is being explored

I doubt it. We'd be really really stupid to make a Warren trade unless he (and only he) brings a superstar back.

Very bold to say that Warren’s value to the Suns is that of a superstar.

You took some liberties to come to the conclusion. By that reasoning you can say only superstars are traded for superstars. If we were to trade TJ for a superstar, we can include MORE THAN HIM to acquire one. I think that's what he meant. That's how I took it, at least.

[Revived]

I doubt it. We'd be really really stupid to make a Warren trade unless he (and only he) brings a superstar back.

Very bold to say that Warren’s value to the Suns is that of a superstar.

You took some liberties to come to the conclusion. By that reasoning you can say only superstars are traded for superstars. If we were to trade TJ for a superstar, we can include MORE THAN HIM to acquire one. I think that's what he meant. That's how I took it, at least.

I may be mistaken but in the parentheses he says “and only he” which I took to meaning that he’s saying Warren by himself should net a superstar player.

[Sreister]

Very bold to say that Warren’s value to the Suns is that of a superstar.

You took some liberties to come to the conclusion. By that reasoning you can say only superstars are traded for superstars. If we were to trade TJ for a superstar, we can include MORE THAN HIM to acquire one. I think that's what he meant. That's how I took it, at least.

I may be mistaken but in the parentheses he says “and only he” which I took to meaning that he’s saying Warren by himself should net a superstar player.

True, I missed that or didn't find it as relevant as when you mentioned it. In that case, I do agree that he won't, 1 for 1, get us our superstar.

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Jabari would have fit right in on the suns lol

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Damn he really sounds clueless. I hope our guys our at least knowledgeable enough to be smart enough to know it's not so much points, but how much harder can you make it for them and lower their efficiency? Someone scoring 20-30 points on bad efficiency doesn't help anyone but the opposition.

Yeah his comments on this was definitely questionable but it was kinda cool to see him sticking up for Rose

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[DirtyDez]

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I like Smart as a player but not for the Suns current roster and not for those long term dollars

That is a reasonable contract for Smart. It's what a quality one-dimensional young player gets these days. Similar to Warren.

I wouldn’t necessarily label Smart as one-dimensional because of his ability to play PG. I do however think Boston is the only place that he’s worth the contract he got because Stevens values defense so much and knows how to use him. I still expect a Kyrie trade because Boston will go over the Luxury Tax with the Smart signing and Rozier’s max is far less than Irving’s. Ainge will let the market determine Rozier’s value IMO.

[Fo-Real]

His dad was attacking Bender in social media right? Well it looks like both are busts but at least Bender lasted longer in the league

His dad was trying to warn teams about Bender

https://deadspin.com/kings-draftees-father-is-a-fiery-irrepressible-twitter-1782572859

And he was right.

[King4Day]

For ships and giggles, let's say the C's decided to trade Irving, and he would commit to a 2 year extension (so 3 years committed).

1. Would you trade for him?
2. If so, what would you consider giving up?