Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

gocelts · Post #781 » by **gocelts** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:58 pm

the days of relying on 5-6 Mil Midlevel guys are OVER. Hes making 6-7th man money right now...and hes a 6th -7th man. Hes also one of the only players we have that can do what he does.

Its clear now that Stevens and Ainge belive that his skill set is invaluable to the roster.

A tad of an over pay is way better than losing him outright for nothing.

tombattor · Post #782 » by **tombattor** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:58 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
Rumor has it that is what Ainge offered, along with a pick, and the spurs had no interest.

You mean the one Reload completely smashed apart as 100% untrue? Got it. Moving on.

I think reload is great and he is near perfect when he reports news. This is nothing against him at all it is just I have been hearing this all over the place that Irving wants NY. No one knows what Irving is thinking.

I'm sure he likes NY. He's a young rich guy. But he also knows that the Knicks and Nets are both trash.

Edug27 · Post #783 » by **Edug27** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:00 pm

tombattor wrote:
rickrolled wrote:What if Smarts "very tradable" contract isnt so tradable a year from now?

What superstar will be available? Dont even say AD he aint coming to Boston.

Teams trading their superstar would like expiring contracts, not someone owed 3/40 and is a one way player that doesnt think Any shot is a bad shot?

Don't worry. If we are trying trading for AD, Smart won't be the one holding us back. It will be whether we want to send both Tatum and Brown, on top of whatever else they are asking for.

Trading players in the last year of their deal never works out that way. They don’t get huge returns like Tatum and Brown.

tombattor · Post #784 » by **tombattor** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:00 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
colaroaster wrote:really sucks to over-payed for an energy-role player whose career isn't trending-up. as smart was a product of the system and wouldn't fit 90% of other team schemes there was no reason to gift him this contact, next year he would've been the same predicament... stuck with his stupid agent w/o a contract. personally i think developing rozier another year would've been best.

They're not gonna develop Rozier anymore??

Of course they are. It's not like the world stops because Smart signs a contract. In fact, it keeps us moving forward.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #785 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:00 pm

tombattor wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:You mean the one Reload completely smashed apart as 100% untrue? Got it. Moving on.

I think reload is great and he is near perfect when he reports news. This is nothing against him at all it is just I have been hearing this all over the place that Irving wants NY. No one knows what Irving is thinking.

I'm sure he likes NY. He's a young rich guy. But he also knows that the Knicks and Nets are both trash.

So were the cavs before Lebron yet he still said that they (the cavs) don't need him. Plus if you have Butler going there you have something.

But I generally agree with this. Both NY teams are not run well and have not been for years.

smith2373 · Post #786 » by **smith2373** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:02 pm

tombattor wrote:
smith2373 wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
But he is a bench player and with Hayward hopefully coming back that changes the minutes the rotation. Seeing how well Rozier has improved he should easily be getting minutes in the rotation as well.

Guy wouldn’t start for the majority of teams in the league, won’t start for this team unless multiple players get injured, but we can’t call him a bench player

Call him a bench player if that makes you happy. Who cares? Isn't it great that we have a starting caliber guy coming off the bench? Sure, he may not start over Harden and CP3, but he'll definitely start over guys in NY. And NY fans actually want Smart. They think of him as the perfect, hard-nosed defensive-minded player. So he's not trash to everyone. Just to you.

Besides, Celtics have a history of stud bench players... like McHale and Hondo

Did you really just bring up McHale & Havlicek? :lol:

SMTBSI · Post #787 » by **SMTBSI** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:03 pm

rickrolled wrote:What if Smarts "very tradable" contract isnt so tradable a year from now?

What superstar will be available? Dont even say AD he aint coming to Boston.

Teams trading their superstar would like expiring contracts, not someone owed 3/40 and is a one way player that doesnt think Any shot is a bad shot?

If Smart is not neutral value on this contract, he's no more than a couple million per off of it.

In any trade we'd try for a top-tier player, there will be players and picks going in both directions of sufficient value to completely wash away that small amount by which Smart is off from neutral. It'll be completely irrelevant.

No team is going to turn down the likes of Tatum and/or Brown and/or a high SAC pick (assuming those are the things they want of course) just because they think the filler is 2mil / year overpaid.

truth18 · Post #788 » by **truth18** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:03 pm

Edug27 wrote:
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
I feel you, but you need a nap bro. It’s a forum. Full of crazy Celtic fanatics. Not sure what your expecting in a Marcus Smart thread regarding money.

I just woke up from a nap though..

I'm a crazy Celtic fanatic..I love those type of people. My issue is with the 'Durr he can't shoot I would never give him more than 5 million a year because I know more than Ainge and Stevens and everybody else working for the Boston Celtics for 15 years' type of ****..I understand if this was Sacramento or Orlando but what move has Ainge made before that makes people really think they can question him like this?

There are 3 types of posters. The one who cheers on everything their team does... the one who has negative comments about everything their team does.. and the one who enjoys playing keyboard GM on a forum and gives their personal opinion on each move, whether they liked it or not.

Just because you didn’t like the Kawhi trade doesn’t mean you think you know more than Pop or RC. Just because you disliked Brads lineup to end the game doesn’t mean you think you know more about baskeball sets than he does. You’re allowed to question people smarter than you. Otherwise this forum would just be.. well.. it would be like watching Nick Wright talk about Lebron.

Or maybe I need a nap and I’m off base here. Idk. I did just eat chipotle for lunch and that always makes me sleepy.

Danny's sinister influence continues.

So many guys on here casually dropping Chipotle refs. That place is disgusting, lol, idk how y'all do it. We have Froob eating peanut butter tacos though so it's all moot in a sense.

bucknersrevenge · Post #789 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:03 pm

tombattor wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
colaroaster wrote:really sucks to over-payed for an energy-role player whose career isn't trending-up. as smart was a product of the system and wouldn't fit 90% of other team schemes there was no reason to gift him this contact, next year he would've been the same predicament... stuck with his stupid agent w/o a contract. personally i think developing rozier another year would've been best.

They're not gonna develop Rozier anymore??

Of course they are. It's not like the world stops because Smart signs a contract. In fact, it keeps us moving forward.

LOL Phew!! What a relief!! I was afraid now that Marcus was signed that the team would refuse to work with Terry anymore.

tombattor · Post #790 » by **tombattor** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:05 pm

smith2373 wrote:
tombattor wrote:
smith2373 wrote:
Guy wouldn’t start for the majority of teams in the league, won’t start for this team unless multiple players get injured, but we can’t call him a bench player

Call him a bench player if that makes you happy. Who cares? Isn't it great that we have a starting caliber guy coming off the bench? Sure, he may not start over Harden and CP3, but he'll definitely start over guys in NY. And NY fans actually want Smart. They think of him as the perfect, hard-nosed defensive-minded player. So he's not trash to everyone. Just to you.

Besides, Celtics have a history of stud bench players... like McHale and Hondo

Did you really just bring up McHale & Havlicek?

I did. I'm sure at some point, some people probably said they are coming off the bench because they are not good enough to start.

tombattor · Post #791 » by **tombattor** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:09 pm

Edug27 wrote:
tombattor wrote:
rickrolled wrote:What if Smarts "very tradable" contract isnt so tradable a year from now?

What superstar will be available? Dont even say AD he aint coming to Boston.

Teams trading their superstar would like expiring contracts, not someone owed 3/40 and is a one way player that doesnt think Any shot is a bad shot?

Don't worry. If we are trying trading for AD, Smart won't be the one holding us back. It will be whether we want to send both Tatum and Brown, on top of whatever else they are asking for.

Trading players in the last year of their deal never works out that way. They don’t get huge returns like Tatum and Brown.

When was the last time you saw a guy at the level of AD at his age getting traded? Never. So it's not going to happen. But if it did, it will take a king's ransom. Don't even tell me about Kawhi or PG because neither is close to AD's level. If we ever were trading for AD, we have to at least include Tatum or Brown. Most likely both. Unless they have become superstars by then themselves.

smith2373 · Post #792 » by **smith2373** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:09 pm

tombattor wrote:
smith2373 wrote:
tombattor wrote:Call him a bench player if that makes you happy. Who cares? Isn't it great that we have a starting caliber guy coming off the bench? Sure, he may not start over Harden and CP3, but he'll definitely start over guys in NY. And NY fans actually want Smart. They think of him as the perfect, hard-nosed defensive-minded player. So he's not trash to everyone. Just to you.

Besides, Celtics have a history of stud bench players... like McHale and Hondo

Did you really just bring up McHale & Havlicek?

I did. I'm sure at some point, some people probably said they are coming off the bench because they are not good enough to start.

Yeah considering those guys were considered stars while being 6th men...I'm gonna say no on that

tombattor · Post #793 » by **tombattor** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:12 pm

smith2373 wrote:
tombattor wrote:
smith2373 wrote:
Did you really just bring up McHale & Havlicek?

I did. I'm sure at some point, some people probably said they are coming off the bench because they are not good enough to start.

Yeah considering those guys were considered stars while being 6th men...I'm gonna say no on that

They were stars by the end of their careers, but not when they were rookies and coming off the bench. And you know McHale was like 23 as a rookie. Same age as Marcus Smart last year.

denmuscles · Post #794 » by **denmuscles** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:14 pm

Boys are back

Edug27 · Post #795 » by **Edug27** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:16 pm

truth18 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
I just woke up from a nap though..

I'm a crazy Celtic fanatic..I love those type of people. My issue is with the 'Durr he can't shoot I would never give him more than 5 million a year because I know more than Ainge and Stevens and everybody else working for the Boston Celtics for 15 years' type of ****..I understand if this was Sacramento or Orlando but what move has Ainge made before that makes people really think they can question him like this?

There are 3 types of posters. The one who cheers on everything their team does... the one who has negative comments about everything their team does.. and the one who enjoys playing keyboard GM on a forum and gives their personal opinion on each move, whether they liked it or not.

Just because you didn’t like the Kawhi trade doesn’t mean you think you know more than Pop or RC. Just because you disliked Brads lineup to end the game doesn’t mean you think you know more about baskeball sets than he does. You’re allowed to question people smarter than you. Otherwise this forum would just be.. well.. it would be like watching Nick Wright talk about Lebron.

Or maybe I need a nap and I’m off base here. Idk. I did just eat chipotle for lunch and that always makes me sleepy.

Danny's sinister influence continues.

So many guys on here casually dropping Chipotle refs. That place is disgusting, lol, idk how y'all do it. We have Froob eating peanut butter tacos though so it's all moot in a sense.

I really did eat Chipotle.. and love it. Eat it for lunch 3-4 times a week. Kind of sad actually.

ConstableGeneva · Post #796 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:17 pm

Wyc no understand, no care what this lux tax thing is...

smith2373 · Post #797 » by **smith2373** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:18 pm

tombattor wrote:
smith2373 wrote:
tombattor wrote:I did. I'm sure at some point, some people probably said they are coming off the bench because they are not good enough to start.

Yeah considering those guys were considered stars while being 6th men...I'm gonna say no on that

They were stars by the end of their careers, but not when they were rookies and coming off the bench. And you know McHale was like 23 as a rookie. Same age as Marcus Smart last year.

Yeah well, Smart isn't a rookie, we've got four years of evidence of showing what he is in NBA competition. And I would bet every dollar I'll make for the rest of my life that he won't ever be half as good as McHale or Hondo. Bringing them up is pointless and laughable

Post #798 » by **Shak_Celts** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:19 pm

KumaJG wrote:Oh Smart got what he said he was worth

Nope, said he was worth more than 14per.

ConstableGeneva · Post #799 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:23 pm

Officially official.

Read on Twitter

Post #800 » by **djFan71** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:24 pm

SMTBSI wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

Read on Twitter

$32,658 beyond being able to dodge the tax by giving away Yabusele.

$29,772 if Nader is sucessfully given away with cash and Bird is signed.

Hard for me to believe it's actually an exact 4/52, if those are the kinds of tiny margins we're talking about. You really can't tweak it by 30k to give yourself much greater flexibility?

4/51.86 is all it would have taken.

Edit: Whoops, off by an order of magnitude. 300k, not 30k. Still hard to understand how they couldn't have settled at 4/50.5

I gotta imagine this is rounding in reporting, right? Not everyone, esp in the media, is quite as picky about these things. Even the tweet says "around $11.6M". So, I'm sure we have that wiggle room. Zarren is definitely one of the picky ones.