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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#401 » by dacrusha » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:21 pm

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djsunyc wrote:the issue here for all of us is that we don't know the real story. he didn't speak yet and neither did ujiri. so we are all left in the dark.

The Raptors have said straight up that everyone was available for a trade. No one is untouchable. It sucks that the casualty ended up being Demar, but let's not act like the Raptors snaked him. They told everyone beforehand what their intentions were.


Demar (two weeks ago): Do you think there's some trades happening with me or someone else from the roster this summer?

Masai: Doesn't look like it. Serge, JV and Norm are hard to move. You're the face of the franchise and we want you here. Right now I'd say no.

Demar (today): Liar!

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Now, only a dummy GM would tell an emotional guy like Demar that he was absolutely deep in trade talks regarding his star SG... Demar would have been just as likely to blow up the deal mid-way with some stupid post on IG.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#402 » by Chandan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:22 pm

BramptonYute wrote:The sour grapes are because he was literally told he wont be traded and then he was traded. If masai had said "theres still a chance you're gone" then I dont think he's mad at all.

Why is that so hard for people to understand?


Masai doesn't owe him an honest answer to a question he shouldn't have asked. It all comes down to Derozan feeling masai/management owes him some sort of answer, when masai only needs to answer to betterment of the team. I think that's what some people meant by him being entitled.
I think he would be mad, if masai was entertaining the idea of trading him away for a one year rental, it means he doesn't think derozan can lead them to wins in the future. Even if he's not mad, it essentially made Masai show his entire hand and intention. Masai would be sending a unmotivated derozan back into the hands of his newly hire coach and team of young talents.
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Post#403 » by maternal85 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:24 pm

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Mikistan wrote:He's upset he has to go to a franchise that will hold him accountable and not just hand him the keys to the franchise and max contracts for mediocre all around play


No he's not. This is the kind of stupid BS responses we get. He's upset cause he's loyal, that's his nature and he wanted to be that guy that played for Toronto his whole career. He wanted to be one of those rare guys that does that. It didn't happen. There's nothing in Demar's past that says he's afraid of being held accountable. This is a dumb narrative spewed by his haters.

You are allowed to not like his game and be happy he's gone. You don't need to make up stuff to justify that.


DD ADMITTED he was going to ask for a trade if we decided to tank after the rudy gay trade. DD ADMITTED if we didn't offer him the max and disrespected him, he would have looked/signed else where. People need to stop being naive about this whole loyalty nonsense. DD was "loyal" because everything benefited him here in Toronto. He was ready to bail when it was about to go the opposite.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#404 » by BramptonYute » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:46 pm

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BramptonYute wrote:The sour grapes are because he was literally told he wont be traded and then he was traded. If masai had said "theres still a chance you're gone" then I dont think he's mad at all.

Why is that so hard for people to understand?


Masai doesn't owe him an honest answer to a question he shouldn't have asked. It all comes down to Derozan feeling masai/management owes him some sort of answer, when masai only needs to answer to betterment of the team. I think that's what some people meant by him being entitled.
I think he would be mad, if masai was entertaining the idea of trading him away for a one year rental, it means he doesn't think derozan can lead them to wins in the future. Even if he's not mad, it essentially made Masai show his entire hand and intention. Masai would be sending a unmotivated derozan back into the hands of his newly hire coach and team of young talents.

Sure, but im just speaking from DeMars perspective. I think he has the right to feel upset about how this played out.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#405 » by whoknows » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:01 pm

There is a reason DD is butt hurt, he knows his best days of stats padding are now gone and no chance of AS presence.

Unless DD starts using his head and play defense and follow a structure, his behind will be glued to the bench :lol:
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#406 » by howlin mad axer » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:04 pm

This trade has me feeling the way I felt when Trump got elected, can't believe it. If it's anything like Trump I'm only going too feel worse about it as time goes by.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#407 » by inthecolours » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:13 pm

8axer wrote:This trade has me feeling the way I felt when Trump got elected, can't believe it. If it's anything like Trump I'm only going too feel worse about it as time goes by.


If your feelings about a trade for a reticent basketball player under the control of his weirdo uncle are similar to your feelings about electing as leader of the free world a narcissistic sociopath under the control of the world's most dangerous dictator, you might have some thinking to do.
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Post#408 » by PHANTOMPHOENIX » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:17 pm

The Spurs have their work cut out. The west is hell. I have them at 6 or 7.

If things do not work out for the Spurs this season. I could see Pop retiring and the Spurs blowing it up.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#409 » by SHFT » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:17 pm

my friend asked me if I felt bad for Demar.

I said a little, but feel bad for me watching him get torched by Kyle Korver.

That sums it up to me, loyalty goes 2 ways. Demar improved a lot of aspects in his game but refused to address the one that killed us the most. To me, loyalty to a franchise is more about improving your weaknesses (especially when you are being labelled as THE franchise, and your weakness is costing us huge) than constantly saying how you want to be here forever (which is nice to hear, dont get me wrong)

I would have been way happier with Demar if he improved his defense and never said a word about how he wants to retire here vs him constantly saying he wants to retire a raptor but never improving his defense.

Talk the talk yes, but you have to walk the walk as well.
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Post#410 » by Joker » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:20 pm

Aldridge and Demar is such a bleh combo. The level of ball-stopping and lack of awareness of passing opportunities between them.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#411 » by Semanticist » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:22 pm

This disloyalty narrative is absurd. I can understand Demar having a visceral response to being traded; and, to his credit, he subsequently took that unfortunate post down (so perhaps he has already realized this himself). But if not ... sigh.

For one, we don't even know the full context in which this apparent conversation took place. What exactly did Demar ask and what exactly did Masai respond? We really have no idea at this point. For another, think of it from Masai's perspective. He doesn't want to compromise his position in negotiations by having things leaked; and is also concerned about the fallout re: Demar's relationship with the franchise if the trade doesn't actually end up materializing (remember, that relationship is much more important if he stays than if he goes).

It doesn't take a complex game theoretic analysis to realize that the best strategy for Masai to maximize his position in negotiations and minimize the fallout is to lie. Masai's job is to get the best possible outcome for this franchise, not cater to a particular employee. Demar, as a professional, should understand this. He should also understand that he is signed to a contract that does not have a no movement clause; and that, therefore, prima facie it is always possible that he is traded. Demar was of course free to ask the question, but he can't reasonably impugn Masai for responding relative to this logic.

It is really irritating to see so many across the media and league (and this board, for that matter) respond this way. As I said in a previous post, it carries with it a sad insinuation that Toronto is somehow an inherently unworthy place to play and that we should be "grateful" for the privilege of paying someone 200mm dollars. I'm sorry, but this is just nonsense. I love DD as a person and as a professional and wish him nothing but the best, but this was a fantastic trade with an extremely favourable risk-reward profile. Good job Masai.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#412 » by Boogie! » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:24 pm

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Chandan wrote:
BramptonYute wrote:The sour grapes are because he was literally told he wont be traded and then he was traded. If masai had said "theres still a chance you're gone" then I dont think he's mad at all.

Why is that so hard for people to understand?


Masai doesn't owe him an honest answer to a question he shouldn't have asked. It all comes down to Derozan feeling masai/management owes him some sort of answer, when masai only needs to answer to betterment of the team. I think that's what some people meant by him being entitled.
I think he would be mad, if masai was entertaining the idea of trading him away for a one year rental, it means he doesn't think derozan can lead them to wins in the future. Even if he's not mad, it essentially made Masai show his entire hand and intention. Masai would be sending a unmotivated derozan back into the hands of his newly hire coach and team of young talents.

Sure, but im just speaking from DeMars perspective. I think he has the right to feel upset about how this played out.


So people think that the best thing to do in this situstion is tell a player that he is on the verge of being traded even before a deal has been completed? What if the deal falls through? Now you have a player who knows he was on the way out playing for you....

And all you fan boys would still find a way to spin that story into a lack of loyalty and if Demar ends up playing bad you all would be blaming it on the fact that it's because demar is butt hurt about almost being traded. There's literally no win to this situstion in your eyes.

Teams and organizations are always looking to make moves to get better.... It's always been this way.. Why the **** are people acting like th is is the first time in history a guy has been traded before... Its honestly so pathetic listening to how thecmedpia has spun this. And it's even worse that fans of t he tram are eating it up. Im actually finally excited about the product that s about to be put in the floor... We actually now have the best shotr at a titlem.. And instead all you fanboys s keep crying about is loyalty...

It seems at the end of the day it was never about winning with most fans it was just about riding with their favourite player come hell or high water while pretending to actually give a sh it about the team. If it was jv or Lowry that got shipped out instead you all would be ecstatic at t he brilliance of Masai and the balls he has... Except Masai isn't an idiot and he knows the real reasons for this teams success and made the right move to actually get better. He didn't make the fan boy move and wasn't delusionally invested in an impact neutral player. He understands the real issues with the team and he fixed them.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#413 » by Joker » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:29 pm

It always rubbed me the wrong way that Demar hoped/expected/assumed he'd play out his whole (15+ season?) career here. A little delusional, presumptuous on his part.

Having a 15+ year career with one franchise only is reserved for the HOF'ers. And Udonis Haslem. But I don't think Demar's cool with taking Udonis's minutes/role/salary.

To think that a franchise would keep you for your whole career, you better be on the level of Kobe, Dirk, Duncan or John Stockton. To a lesser degree, Reggie Miller and Manu Ginobili, but Miller is still a HOF'er and playoff legend, and Manu won 4 titles and is certainly going to the HOF. Is Demar seriously putting himself in that class of player??
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#414 » by Smash3 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:31 pm

Chandan wrote:
BramptonYute wrote:The sour grapes are because he was literally told he wont be traded and then he was traded. If masai had said "theres still a chance you're gone" then I dont think he's mad at all.

Why is that so hard for people to understand?


Masai doesn't owe him an honest answer to a question he shouldn't have asked. It all comes down to Derozan feeling masai/management owes him some sort of answer, when masai only needs to answer to betterment of the team. I think that's what some people meant by him being entitled.
I think he would be mad, if masai was entertaining the idea of trading him away for a one year rental, it means he doesn't think derozan can lead them to wins in the future. Even if he's not mad, it essentially made Masai show his entire hand and intention. Masai would be sending a unmotivated derozan back into the hands of his newly hire coach and team of young talents.


Masai doesn't owe him an honest answer to a question he shouldn't have asked.

Wow....
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#415 » by Chandan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:40 pm

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Chandan wrote:
BramptonYute wrote:The sour grapes are because he was literally told he wont be traded and then he was traded. If masai had said "theres still a chance you're gone" then I dont think he's mad at all.

Why is that so hard for people to understand?


Masai doesn't owe him an honest answer to a question he shouldn't have asked. It all comes down to Derozan feeling masai/management owes him some sort of answer, when masai only needs to answer to betterment of the team. I think that's what some people meant by him being entitled.
I think he would be mad, if masai was entertaining the idea of trading him away for a one year rental, it means he doesn't think derozan can lead them to wins in the future. Even if he's not mad, it essentially made Masai show his entire hand and intention. Masai would be sending a unmotivated derozan back into the hands of his newly hire coach and team of young talents.


Masai doesn't owe him an honest answer to a question he shouldn't have asked.

Wow....


If an employee ask headquarters if there will be down sizing and whether their branch is closing, how do you think headquarters would respond?
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Post#416 » by Chandan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:42 pm

Joker wrote:It always rubbed me the wrong way that Demar hoped/expected/assumed he'd play out his whole (15+ season?) career here. A little delusional, presumptuous on his part.

Having a 15+ year career with one franchise only is reserved for the HOF'ers. And Udonis Haslem. But I don't think Demar's cool with taking Udonis's minutes/role/salary.

To think that a franchise would keep you for your whole career, you better be on the level of Kobe, Dirk, Duncan or John Stockton. To a lesser degree, Reggie Miller and Manu Ginobili, but Miller is still a HOF'er and playoff legend, and Manu won 4 titles and is certainly going to the HOF.


The sad thing is there are loads of delusional people that actually believed it should happen.
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Post#417 » by macNcheese3 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:44 pm

feel bad that he wont ever make the ASG
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#418 » by howlin mad axer » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:45 pm

inthecolours wrote:
8axer wrote:This trade has me feeling the way I felt when Trump got elected, can't believe it. If it's anything like Trump I'm only going too feel worse about it as time goes by.


If your feelings about a trade for a reticent basketball player under the control of his weirdo uncle are similar to your feelings about electing as leader of the free world a narcissistic sociopath under the control of the world's most dangerous dictator, you might have some thinking to do.


Who is Kawhi's uncle in the Trump comparison? Putin? Donald's Uncle Vladimir.
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Post#419 » by Joker » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:48 pm

Chandan wrote:
Joker wrote:It always rubbed me the wrong way that Demar hoped/expected/assumed he'd play out his whole (15+ season?) career here. A little delusional, presumptuous on his part.

Having a 15+ year career with one franchise only is reserved for the HOF'ers. And Udonis Haslem. But I don't think Demar's cool with taking Udonis's minutes/role/salary.

To think that a franchise would keep you for your whole career, you better be on the level of Kobe, Dirk, Duncan or John Stockton. To a lesser degree, Reggie Miller and Manu Ginobili, but Miller is still a HOF'er and playoff legend, and Manu won 4 titles and is certainly going to the HOF.


The sad thing is there are loads of delusional people that actually believed it should happen.


It's the unconscious lowering of the bar for Toronto as a Canadian franchise, and a relatively new franchise.

Do Memphis fans talk about Mike Conley playing the entire length of his career in Memphis? Do Charlotte fans do the same with Kemba Walker? The bar needs to be set higher than some all-star appearances and a few trips to the 2nd round.
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Re: Demar Vents Frustration About Loyalty 

Post#420 » by Mikistan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:51 pm

Chandan wrote:
Joker wrote:It always rubbed me the wrong way that Demar hoped/expected/assumed he'd play out his whole (15+ season?) career here. A little delusional, presumptuous on his part.

Having a 15+ year career with one franchise only is reserved for the HOF'ers. And Udonis Haslem. But I don't think Demar's cool with taking Udonis's minutes/role/salary.

To think that a franchise would keep you for your whole career, you better be on the level of Kobe, Dirk, Duncan or John Stockton. To a lesser degree, Reggie Miller and Manu Ginobili, but Miller is still a HOF'er and playoff legend, and Manu won 4 titles and is certainly going to the HOF.


The sad thing is there are loads of delusional people that actually believed it should happen.


These are the people that have been groomed by the media for the last 23 years. all they ever heard was

1) Raptors are irrelevant
2) when they are relevant, they still actually are failures
3) all the stars leave the raptors
4) if one star is going to NOT leave, omg we better "ride or die" with him no matter what, because he loves oh, oh god we just want to be loved so much
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