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Re: Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32 

Post#841 » by Baller1234a » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:28 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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SMTBSI wrote:I'm absolutely baffled. Doing something just slightly other than the standard 8% raises - first year salary off by 54k.

They must have a reason to do this. It's a tiny adjustment to make for absolutely no reason.

There's got to be some way it fits in with either something they plan to do, or how the other salaries on the team change in the coming seasons.

Crap. I've got some work ahead of me.

Fark.

As of right now we're over the tax line by 3.047746

Rozier makes 3.050390


That can't be it, but it's quite coincidental.


Hmmm. Who needs a PG? Phoenix? Orlando? Anyone else?

Spurs? Lonnie Walker for Rozier? We’d be 25k over the tax. (Waive Stretch Nader sign Bird)
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Re: Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32 

Post#842 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:29 pm

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ConstableGeneva wrote:
Read on Twitter

I'm absolutely baffled. Doing something just slightly other than the standard 8% raises - first year salary off by 54k.

They must have a reason to do this. It's a tiny adjustment to make for absolutely no reason.

There's got to be some way it fits in with either something they plan to do, or how the other salaries on the team change in the coming seasons.

Crap. I've got some work ahead of me.

Not sure of validity and accuracy of any of these tweets.

Read on Twitter

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Post#843 » by Baller1234a » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:32 pm

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:Fark.

As of right now we're over the tax line by 3.047746

Rozier makes 3.050390


That can't be it, but it's quite coincidental.


Hmmm. Who needs a PG? Phoenix? Orlando? Anyone else?

Spurs? Lonnie Walker for Rozier? We’d be 25k over the tax. (Waive Stretch Nader sign Bird)

Or if the Spurs are win now...

Lonnie Walker + Poetl for Rozier and Morris.
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Post#844 » by rickrolled » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:33 pm

I think were going to pay the lux-tax this year, unfortunately no way around it without giving up one rotation player.

Even in the unlikely event we can just dump both Yabu and Nader instead of dump Yabu and waive/stretch Nader we're still slightly above the lux-tax. And with nothing to offer Bird other than a QO, but the cap hit would still be ~1.4 million.

Then if we were to use the MLE we'd surely be over anyway. Just accept that we're going to be taxpayers this year, so better keep Morris' 5.4 million until the deadline, iinm we don't become taxpayers by the start of the year but the end of it right?

Would be dumb to avoid paying the lux-tax if it ended up costing a championship. But surely we must dump Yabu/Nader in any case.

Plus, when the details on the contract is official it could be ~11.1 million in year 1 if his bodyfat is higher, is that When he signed it that they do a weigh-in?
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Post#845 » by tombattor » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:34 pm

Spin Move wrote:I think KAT is more likley to move then AD, I don't think he is as good, but he is an upgrade for us at C as who knows how much longer Al will be able to maintain his level of play.

KAT is overrated. We don't want him. He's great at putting up stats, but his D is atrocious.
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Post#846 » by Edug27 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:35 pm

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tombattor wrote:When was the last time you saw a guy at the level of AD at his age getting traded? Never. So it's not going to happen. But if it did, it will take a king's ransom. Don't even tell me about Kawhi or PG because neither is close to AD's level. If we ever were trading for AD, we have to at least include Tatum or Brown. Most likely both. Unless they have become superstars by then themselves.


Again, IF AD is ever to be traded, it'll be because the Pelicans fear he'll opt out of the last year of his deal and walk. Whether it gets that far is anyones guess. But if a trade were to ever take place, that'll be the reason. So they'll either go the OKC route with KD... or try and move him before it gets that far. He'll be 26 in 2019, when they'll try to move him in this scenario.

Kawhi right now just turned 27.
Paul George was 26 when traded.
Kevin Love was 25.
Chris Paul was 26.
Dwight was 26.
Kyrie was 25.

But none of those guys were projected to be the best player in the league.


Doesn't matter. If Pels feels AD will opt out and walk, they'll have a big decision to make. Trade him or hope for the best. And if they do try and trade him, it's another "will he be a rental? can you resign him" situation.
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Post#847 » by celticfan42487 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:35 pm

SMTBSI wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
Read on Twitter

I'm absolutely baffled. Doing something just slightly other than the standard 8% raises - first year salary off by 54k.

They must have a reason to do this. It's a tiny adjustment to make for absolutely no reason.

There's got to be some way it fits in with either something they plan to do, or how the other salaries on the team change in the coming seasons.

Crap. I've got some work ahead of me.

Fark.

As of right now we're over the tax line by 3.047746

Rozier makes 3.050390


That can't be it, but it's quite coincidental.


Perhaps we stretch Marcus Morris and waive Nader.
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Post#848 » by TheTruth316 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:36 pm

This is a dumb move.It ties their hands to extend Theis, Role players aren't worth. 13 million guaranteed. How do you build a dynasty overpaying role players who can't shoot?
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Post#849 » by tombattor » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:36 pm

captain green wrote:
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captain green wrote:Pfft smart better learn to shoot otherwise this is a huge over pay and potential depth depletion.
We had leverage and pissed it away. No team was going to pay him that even if unrestricted.
Bad move

Yeah because I'm sure you know more than the best GM in the league. lol.

I know it's a bad deal don't have to be an expert to know that. What is the upside to overpaying when we had leverage? Where is the upside to losing depth? Where is the upside to being a tax repeater now ? And finally what is the upside to his game improving?

Because everything you said here is wrong.
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Post#850 » by rickrolled » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:37 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Not sure of validity and accuracy of any of these tweets.

Read on Twitter

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The first tweet above is posted 5 minutes after the first one, so maybe Katz included the bonuses. If that's the case year 1 would be 11.1 if he still fat.
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Post#851 » by SMTBSI » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:37 pm

rickrolled wrote:I think were going to pay the lux-tax this year, unfortunately no way around it without giving up one rotation player.

Even in the unlikely event we can just dump both Yabu and Nader instead of dump Yabu and waive/stretch Nader we're still slightly above the lux-tax. And with nothing to offer Bird other than a QO, but the cap hit would still be ~1.4 million.

Then if we were to use the MLE we'd surely be over anyway. Just accept that we're going to be taxpayers this year, so better keep Morris' 5.4 million until the deadline, iinm we don't become taxpayers by the start of the year but the end of it right?

Would be dumb to avoid paying the lux-tax if it ended up costing a championship. But surely we must dump Yabu/Nader in any case.

Plus, when the details on the contract is official it could be ~11.1 million in year 1 if his bodyfat is higher, is that When he signed it that they do a weigh-in?

We may very well be tax payers this year. That was always a possibility. Perhaps even a likelihood.

But it's not good sense to be a taxpayer by less than the value of a minimum contract. In that case, you're essentially starting the repeater clock for your 14th or 15th man. That's hard to justify. If you're going to be a taxpayer, make sure you're a ways into the tax. Otherwise, don't.

In other words, if we're buyers at the deadline, and go out and add another useful player and some salary, great. But, if we do not find anyone worth buying, it is just common sense to then elect to duck the tax and push off the clock. So you want to give yourself easy outs for doing that.

It seems we've let some of those easy outs slip away. There must be an angle.
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Post#852 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:38 pm

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Seems like Marcus started the party last night and is now experiencing a pretty good hangover.
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Post#853 » by tombattor » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:38 pm

Edug27 wrote:
tombattor wrote:
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Again, IF AD is ever to be traded, it'll be because the Pelicans fear he'll opt out of the last year of his deal and walk. Whether it gets that far is anyones guess. But if a trade were to ever take place, that'll be the reason. So they'll either go the OKC route with KD... or try and move him before it gets that far. He'll be 26 in 2019, when they'll try to move him in this scenario.

Kawhi right now just turned 27.
Paul George was 26 when traded.
Kevin Love was 25.
Chris Paul was 26.
Dwight was 26.
Kyrie was 25.

But none of those guys were projected to be the best player in the league.


Doesn't matter. If Pels feels AD will opt out and walk, they'll have a big decision to make. Trade him or hope for the best. And if they do try and trade him, it's another "will he be a rental? can you resign him" situation.

Look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi. He was injured. Then he faked injury and sat out. Didn't want to play there. Spurs had no leverage. Not to mention on top of all that, he's significantly inferior to AD.
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Post#854 » by robdog_5 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:41 pm

Predict we just pay the tax and go for it. We're not promised Kyrie, Rozier, Morris, Theis will be back after next hear, and Baynes and Horford have options. We have potentially 4 first round picks which will provide reinforcements. I believe they have 4 or 5 contingency plans. I'm to the point where I'm not looking at future seasons. It's about next year . Let's go see what we can do
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Post#855 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:41 pm

Pelicans won't deal AD unless he asks for a trade. That franchise is on poor footing in terms of fanbase. If they deal away AD, that team might have to relocate within 10 years.
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Post#856 » by bballcool34 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:43 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Looks like some people just got a lesson in NBA economics.


Yeah. I also think people get a lesson in making deals. People think every negotiation has to be lopsided and max leverage used.

That’s not how you negotiate. You have to make sure that both parties are satisfied with the deal. Marcus in the QO, or giving him a below market take it or leave it deal is a disaster. Creates animosity and problems.

For the young ins here. Never, EVER, box someone in and force them to take a deal they don’t want. It will always come back and bite you in the ass 10 fold.

Here’s a book - Getting to the Yes.

Read it people.



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Great contribution and great book. Exactly , in real life things get squishy and any deal has to leave all parties generally satisfied or it is not going to be effective.


As an aside, I work for the company whose founder wrote Getting to Yes and was/is based on the principles in that book. Pretty cool to see others have read it.
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Post#857 » by Edug27 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:47 pm

tombattor wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
tombattor wrote:But none of those guys were projected to be the best player in the league.


Doesn't matter. If Pels feels AD will opt out and walk, they'll have a big decision to make. Trade him or hope for the best. And if they do try and trade him, it's another "will he be a rental? can you resign him" situation.

Look at what the Spurs got for Kawhi. He was injured. Then he faked injury and sat out. Didn't want to play there. Spurs had no leverage. Not to mention on top of all that, he's significantly inferior to AD.


I think you're underestimating how valuable both Jaylen and Jayson are and will be next summer... Young and on rookie deals. Derozan is 29 yrs old making 28 mil a season.. and shoots the 3 worse than Marcus. Even if Kawhi were healthy and didn't demand a trade.... teams trading for him would still need some level of security he'd resign before giving up huge assets. Most teams still wouldn't do it.
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Post#858 » by jbent87 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:47 pm

Surprised to see so many people in here not happy with this deal. I love Smart. Every championship team needs a lockdown, enforcer, "bad guy." Who cares if he can't shoot? If DA ever needs to move him in a bigger move he can. Especially if the shooting ever improves. And if it doesn't there's still enough here to market him as a slightly poorer Iguodala. Those guys aren't just free.
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Post#859 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:49 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
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Seems like Marcus started the party last night and is now experiencing a pretty good hangover.

OR ...... sign and trade





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Post#860 » by Dogen » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:50 pm

Afam wrote:He should have gotten 10-12 million ,but the celtics paid him 13 million. A difference of one million. They have their reasons for doing that, let's wait and see what those reasons are.


Good point. I thought he was worth 8-11, 12 at max, which was the offer last year. But we don’t know the whole story yet.

And in one way, Marcus gets the better deal from the original offer. Now Danny should expect a completely satisfied player, ready to do whatever it takes to win a championship. For a few extra mil, maybe this was a good strategy. We shall see.
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