Grade the Trade

[pacehawk]

Since I can NOT make any educated decision about this trade can some other Hawks Fans with more knowledge give me what you thought of this trade and how you would grade it for the Hawks and Thunder? Definitely, seems to me that the Hawks are sacrificing the 2018/19 Season for the future! I hope they are right!

[jayu70]

Win for both.
Atlanta gets and expiring and pick for a guy whose value had plummeted.
OKC saves on luxury tax payment and get an infusion of youth for their bench.

[Eddielives]

I pretty much echo what jayu70 said. Schroeder has not held up the defense he showed in the past, has legal issues pending which coincides with his character issues, is overpaid, is not a particularly reliable shooter and is on a team that drafted and traded for better guys than him at his position...okay well Trae isn't better yet and has to grow but we all know the potential is sky high with him so I'm assuming he's going to be better pretty quickly and Lin, if healthy, is probably better than Schroeder. So what you have is a gm that pretty much is hoping to get rid of a guy with, sadly, little value. I think we fared about as good as we could have expected, especially if we get a first rounder in the late teens or early 20's from OKC.

[tomaHAWKslam]

A much better outcome than I was expecting. We didn't give up any future assets. We didn't take any bad, long term money. We got a protected pick. Good deal for the Hawks.

[CaptainCanada]

I am not a big fan of Schroeder and think Sexton would of been a better long-term/two-way player than Young.....really confused in what direction the Hawks are going in.

[D21]

It's a good deal, too bad OKC were already set to send the 2020 pick to ORL, because the 2022 pick will come from season just after the last year of Westbrook, Adams, and George (4th year is a player option). I smell the rebuild starting in 2021-22 in OKC, and no 1st rnd pick coming. At least, if they rebuild, their 2nd rnd pick won't be that bad.

[atlantabbq99]

Good trade for Atlanta.

I don't understand it for Oklahoma. If I was the Thunder, I would put 3pt shooters around Westbrook, just like what the Sixers did with Iverson or the Suns with Nash, when they got Joe Johnson and Barbosa, or George Lynch and Aaron McKie

[Jamaaliver]

In the Carmelo Anthony Trade, Everyone Wins


Big N.B.A. trades are always followed by a scramble to label players and teams as winners and losers, but every so often a unicorn of a deal comes together, and everyone involved seems to benefit.

One such deal was reached on Thursday, when the Oklahoma City Thunder agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, according to a person with knowledge of the deal who was not authorized to discuss it publicly.

In one fell swoop, the Thunder get huge financial relief (and an extra playmaker); the Hawks get long-term savings while clearing their backcourt congestion (and adding a draft pick); Schroder gets to play for a contender; and Anthony, after many twists and turns, gets to keep every cent owed to him in his contract.

With the trade, the Hawks will be responsible for Anthony's $27.9 million salary, which is made more palatable by the fact that they will be off the hook for the three years and $46.5 million left on Schroder’s contract.

The Hawks’ long-term savings are still nothing compared to what Oklahoma City saves by shedding itself of Anthony. Bobby Marks, the former vice president of basketball for the Nets who is now an analyst at ESPN, estimated that the Thunder would save $73 million this year because of the various luxury-tax implications of dropping Anthony and acquiring Schroder.

NY Times

[Jamaaliver]

Atlanta trade grade: B+

The Hawks are ready to head in a new direction under general manager Travis Schlenk and new coach Lloyd Pierce, and they needed to get rid of Schroder to do that. Mission accomplished. They also got a future first-rounder out of the deal, which will convey as long as the Thunder continue to make the playoffs, which they should. As we've seen, even a post-lottery pick can be incredibly useful in the right hands.

Atlanta also picked up Justin Anderson, a tough, 6-6 wing capable of guarding multiple positions and occasionally getting hot from the 3-point line. He didn't get much playing time for the Sixers after coming over during the 2016-17 season, but he could carve out a spot in the rotation for the Hawks, who aren't exactly prioritizing winning this season.

The only disappointment from this deal is that they couldn't get more for Muscala, a prototypical stretch-four on a team-friendly, expiring deal. But it was clear that the top priorities were getting Schroder out of the mix and picking up a decent draft pick, both of which they did.

CBS Sports

Hawks strike gold with Schröder-Anthony trade

Absolutely one for Travis Schlenk’s win column.

Travis Schlenk has had his share of ups and downs in his short tenure with the Atlanta Hawks, but his latest move might have been his very best. The Hawks’ stated goal throughout the offseason was not to be active in signing players but to facilitate trades. Specifically, Schlenk was looking to take on bad contracts in addition to future draft assets.

By all reports and general logic, the Hawks could just as easily have had the package Denver sent to Brooklyn without involving the Nets at all, but that would have made this trade impossible in its current form.

There’s certainly a strong argument to be made that the Denver package is better in a vacuum for Atlanta, but this move couldn’t have been a better use of their remaining space. For Atlanta, getting rid of Schröder was far more valuable than anything else they’ve done this offseason.

Atlanta’s acquisition of Anderson should not go overlooked. Anderson brings solid wing defense to the table and is familiar with new head coach Lloyd Pierce from their time together in Philadelphia.

If there’s any criticism to lay at Schlenk’s feet over the two trades, it’s that the picks he received are so far out in the future that their present value is lower than, say, what Brooklyn received from Denver.

However, the first-rounder from Oklahoma City could be a coup for the Hawks, as reporting indicates that the NBA is preparing to end the one-and-done rule in time for the 2022 draft. If the league does in fact abolish one-and-done and allow high schoolers to enter the 2022 draft, the pool will be twice as deep.
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Moving off of Schröder’s contract, getting a first-round pick, and upgrading from one year of Muscala to one year of Anderson plus restricted rights in exchange for the remaining $10+ million of the Hawks’ cap space is just about as good as it gets for Atlanta.

Schlenk and his front office staff have certainly ridden a roller coaster of praise and criticism over the last 14 months since taking the reins in Atlanta, but they’ve hit a home run here.

Peachtree Hoops

[steady]

The cap space savings from this trade is a big part of the win.

For example, this offseason Nets sent Mozgoz to Hornets for Dwight Howard who they then bought out. Nets gave up two second round picks to get cap space of $16.7 mill for 2019.

By comparison, Hawks got cap space of $31 mill for 2019 and 2010 combined. And Hawks are getting a first round pick instead of giving up two second round picks. And getting restricted rights to a promising young player.

Only cost to Hawks for this larger haul was about $9 mill more in cap hit than Nets this year, and giving up Schroeder who is > Mozgov, and giving up Muscala.

[tbhawksfan1]

This trade looks good if you value Schro at 0. The logjam was created bi TS. Seeing as how Schro's value went from a 23 year old top 15 PG, valued at a Lott pick, under TS's regime to 0 value is a train wreak. Schro screwed up, but Hawks totally bailed on an asset.

Schro has value. He will have a long and productive career. His charges will end up being a settlement and a misdomenor.

If Schro is a valid starting PG, which he is, this trade was a bust before Trae was drafted

[dms269]

This trade looks good if you value Schro at 0. The logjam was created bi TS. Seeing as how Schro's value went from a 23 year old top 15 PG, valued at a Lott pick, under TS's regime to 0 value is a train wreak. Schro screwed up, but Hawks totally bailed on an asset.

Schro has value. He will have a long and productive career. His charges will end up being a settlement and a misdomenor.

If Schro is a valid starting PG, which he is, this trade was a bust before Trae was drafted

So it is Schlenk's fault that Dennis has no trade value? The Hawks bailed on an overpaid player who has under performed his entire career and has maturity issues. What teams do you think he would start for with his current production?

[reazun]

This trade looks good if you value Schro at 0. The logjam was created bi TS. Seeing as how Schro's value went from a 23 year old top 15 PG, valued at a Lott pick, under TS's regime to 0 value is a train wreak. Schro screwed up, but Hawks totally bailed on an asset.

Schro has value. He will have a long and productive career. His charges will end up being a settlement and a misdomenor.

If Schro is a valid starting PG, which he is, this trade was a bust before Trae was drafted

Schroeder shoots 29% from 3 and plays no defense. He would come off the bench for many, probably most teams. And how is this schlenks fault? Are you saying bc of the logjam at pg? The logjam was created by TS? Schroeder asked for a trade before we drafted Trae and acquired Lin this off-season..

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[ATL Boy]

This is a great trade for the Hawks. Schroder has negative value due to his contract, terrible shooting and no defense. To get what could be a decent first rounder in the future while also completely shedding the last two years of his deal is a big win.

The optics of paying Melo $28 mil to not play for us may not look good, but who cares really? The only thing we give up is cap space this offseason (while doing exactly what we wanted to do with it). This may be Schlenk's best move to date.


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[ChokeFasncists]

Schroder came out in the public and said he doesn't want to spend his prime years on a rebuilding team, that's a big red flag, lowered his trade value as well.

Too bad there was no bidding war between the Bucks and the Pacers.

It has to be done, getting a FRP is good.

[D21]

This trade looks good if you value Schro at 0. The logjam was created bi TS. Seeing as how Schro's value went from a 23 year old top 15 PG, valued at a Lott pick, under TS's regime to 0 value is a train wreak. Schro screwed up, but Hawks totally bailed on an asset.

Schro has value. He will have a long and productive career. His charges will end up being a settlement and a misdomenor.

If Schro is a valid starting PG, which he is, this trade was a bust before Trae was drafted

So it is Schlenk's fault that Dennis has no trade value? The Hawks bailed on an overpaid player who has under performed his entire career and has maturity issues. What teams do you think he would start for with his current production?

I think that the reality is between your posts, and that you're both overeacting.
Schröder is not a top PG, but he has show more than a bench player.
He made 29% of his 3pts last year, yes, but with what team ? A team made to loose. Strangely, he was at 34% the previous year. And his defense was better when motivated. Fact is his best production year was when he was a backup of Teague.
The PER doesn't tell a full story, but yet, he has a better one this season than Dragic, Teague, Jackson, Rubio and Rondo.
Don't get me wrong, I would start any of these guys before him, except Jackson, but only Rubio and Rondo cost less. Dragic is at 18M and Teague at 19M

Schlenk by making him the PG of a 24W team, and Bud/Cox by making him the starting PG of a team with Howard instead of Horford reduced his value, and Schröder himself reduced it by his off-court acts.

ORL or NYK would start him, BKN would certainly start him...

...Too bad there was no bidding war between the Bucks and the Pacers...

He's not too far from Collison, but I think Collison is a better fit for IND, and for MIL, Bledsoe just played like a top 10 PG there, at this moment.

[HMFFL]

I give the trade an A+.
I believe we explored all options to acquire value for DS. There appeared to not be any and I expected a maximum of two future second round picks in return, but we acquired a protected first, that could turn into possibly two second round picks. We unloaded what appears to be a flawed character and it's up to debate if his teammates even liked him.
I won't be upset if he performs well for OKC and they manage to acquire more for him by trade, because that's what the market will be for him at that time, and his value may increase with his play/off the court issues being resolved.

[~Wretch~]

It's a wash for me. Mostly because I don't like how the pick becomes two 2nd rounders. Dennis is worth their 1st non-lottery pick whenever that is, but whatevs. He's just excess luggage at this point. Hopefully it'll be a decent pick.

Unconcerned about salary savings/cap space. We never do anything with it IMO and are years away from having to worry about it.

[HMFFL]

It's a wash for me. Mostly because I don't like how the pick becomes two 2nd rounders. Dennis is worth their 1st non-lottery pick whenever that is, but whatevs. He's just excess luggage at this point. Hopefully it'll be a decent pick.

Unconcerned about salary savings/cap space. We never do anything with it IMO and are years away from having to worry about it.

OKC has to be concerned that if Russ goes down to a serious injury that the pick would be just outside the lottery range. As of right now Vegas has OKC over or under 48 games, which is the amount they won this past season, but I expect them to win over 48 if healthy.

[atlantabbq99]

Justin Anderson, and a 1st round pick on the last year of Westbrook's contract and not giving away cap for 2019...

TS basically just traded away Dennis for two first round picks and cap space.