2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[matt131]

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[BobbieL]

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This deal saves the Thunder like 50m in cash or thereabouts

if they stretch Muscala - another 20m

So a pretty good deal for the Thunder --- almost 70m cash saved

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[BobbieL]

I forgot to say

whew!!!

I didn't think Phoenix was the "3rd team" for Shroder and obviously, OKC is going to run with RW, PG13, ADams Grant and Shroder for the next three years.

[phrazbit]

Horrible trade for OKC. They'd have been better off waiving Carmelo and eating the money.

Schroeder is a homeless man's Brandon Knight during a bad game... with the attitude of a 2015 Morris Brother. He is the 2013 point guard version of Michael Beasley... on a 15 mil a year, long term contract.

They also gave up a 2022 draft pick, the draft that will likely have two classes of HS stars in it because of the rules change.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Man, I really wish we could get some clarity as to what we're doing with that last roster spot. Here are the bigs I'd consider adding:

- Montrezl Harrell (probably wants more money and time than we can offer)
- Alan Williams (come home, big sauce! How's the knee feeling?)
- Lucas Nogueira (too limited?)
- Alex Len (much improved; certainly wants a bigger role and a new start; won't happen)
- Amare Stoudemire (might be able to help Deandre figure out how to be dominant offensively; gives us fans a bit of a thrill a la Dan Majerle's final season; passing of the torch)

A few I'm even less sure about:

- David West (TJ's mentor, could he mentor Ayton too?)
- Thomas Robinson (just for an energy injection when needed)
- Jan Vesely ("best center in Europe")

Are there other options? I don't think Jahlil Okafor or Noah Vonleh are fits. Not really interested in defense-only traditional bigs like Trevor Booker or Amir Johnson. If we want someone with some stretch to their game, I think we'd have to look at the trade market.

Overall, it seems to me that Alan Williams is clearly the best option, but I think he wants a bigger role elsewhere.

[BobbieL]

Horrible trade for OKC. They'd have been better off waiving Carmelo and eating the money.

Schroeder is a homeless man's Brandon Knight during a bad game... with the attitude of a 2015 Morris Brother. He is the 2013 point guard version of Michael Beasley... on a 15 mil a year, long term contract.

They also gave up a 2022 draft pick, the draft that will likely have two classes of HS stars in it because of the rules change.

Yes and No
Yes - because I am not a fan of Shroder

No, because if they had stretched Melo for three years - they would have been paying him almost 9+ m per year
Presti has a guy that is only costing them 6.5m more -- thats not a terrible gamble considering they were paying Carmelo anyway

So I seeyour point - not a fan of Shroder. But looking big picture and the assets Presti could get - it makes more sense

The deal still saves them 70m this year --- wiaving Melo would ahve saved them another 40m but this deal makes some sense to me.

[BobbieL]

Man, I really wish we could get some clarity as to what we're doing with that last roster spot. Here are the bigs I'd consider adding:

- Montrezl Harrell (probably wants more money and time than we can offer)
- Alan Williams (come home, big sauce! How's the knee feeling?)
- Lucas Nogueira (too limited?)
- Alex Len (much improved; certainly wants a bigger role and a new start; won't happen)
- Amare Stoudemire (might be able to help Deandre figure out how to be dominant offensively; gives us fans a bit of a thrill a la Dan Majerle's final season; passing of the torch)

A few I'm even less sure about:

- David West (TJ's mentor, could he mentor Ayton too?)
- Thomas Robinson (just for an energy injection when needed)
- Jan Vesely ("best center in Europe")

Are there other options? I don't think Jahlil Okafor or Noah Vonleh are fits. Not really interested in defense-only traditional bigs like Trevor Booker or Amir Johnson. If we want someone with some stretch to their game, I think we'd have to look at the trade market.

Overall, it seems to me that Alan Williams is clearly the best option, but I think he wants a bigger role elsewhere.

Suns have a 4.4m exception - so HJarrel is doable if he will take 4.4m

[Jdiddy701]

Count me in for Amare Stoudemire... I think he can teach Chriss and Ayton some things. I also would love to buy a Stoudemire jersey. My favorite Sun of all time.


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[sunsbum]

Amare would get lapped in a 20yard dash by dirk nowitzki. Are you kidding me?

[bigfoot]

Man, I really wish we could get some clarity as to what we're doing with that last roster spot. Here are the bigs I'd consider adding:

- Montrezl Harrell (probably wants more money and time than we can offer)
- Alan Williams (come home, big sauce! How's the knee feeling?)
- Lucas Nogueira (too limited?)
- Alex Len (much improved; certainly wants a bigger role and a new start; won't happen)
- Amare Stoudemire (might be able to help Deandre figure out how to be dominant offensively; gives us fans a bit of a thrill a la Dan Majerle's final season; passing of the torch)

A few I'm even less sure about:

- David West (TJ's mentor, could he mentor Ayton too?)
- Thomas Robinson (just for an energy injection when needed)
- Jan Vesely ("best center in Europe")

Are there other options? I don't think Jahlil Okafor or Noah Vonleh are fits. Not really interested in defense-only traditional bigs like Trevor Booker or Amir Johnson. If we want someone with some stretch to their game, I think we'd have to look at the trade market.

Overall, it seems to me that Alan Williams is clearly the best option, but I think he wants a bigger role elsewhere.

What last roster spot? Right now we have 15 players under contract.

Knight/Harrison/Okobu
Booker/Daniels/Reed
Warren/Jackson/Bridges
Ariza/Dudley/Bender
Ayton/Chandler/Chriss

[LukasBMW]

If Schroeder gets convicted, can't they void the contract?

If he plays well, then they can trade him or use him.

I don't mind this deal for OKC. They got rid of Anthony and possibly got back something of value in return. Schroeder wanted to win, now he gets his chance. He might play well. Not sure I see him getting along with Westbrook though.

[King4Day]

Horrible trade for OKC. They'd have been better off waiving Carmelo and eating the money.

Schroeder is a homeless man's Brandon Knight during a bad game... with the attitude of a 2015 Morris Brother. He is the 2013 point guard version of Michael Beasley... on a 15 mil a year, long term contract.

They also gave up a 2022 draft pick, the draft that will likely have two classes of HS stars in it because of the rules change.

Yes and No
Yes - because I am not a fan of Shroder

No, because if they had stretched Melo for three years - they would have been paying him almost 9+ m per year
Presti has a guy that is only costing them 6.5m more -- thats not a terrible gamble considering they were paying Carmelo anyway

So I seeyour point - not a fan of Shroder. But looking big picture and the assets Presti could get - it makes more sense

The deal still saves them 70m this year --- wiaving Melo would ahve saved them another 40m but this deal makes some sense to me.

Agreed. They need assets. Maybe he doesn't fit but it's better than nothing right now. At least Shroeder can be moved. You can't move dead cap space.
For a team that is capped out, they need to add talent where they can.

[bwgood77]

Man, I really wish we could get some clarity as to what we're doing with that last roster spot. Here are the bigs I'd consider adding:

- Montrezl Harrell (probably wants more money and time than we can offer)
- Alan Williams (come home, big sauce! How's the knee feeling?)
- Lucas Nogueira (too limited?)
- Alex Len (much improved; certainly wants a bigger role and a new start; won't happen)
- Amare Stoudemire (might be able to help Deandre figure out how to be dominant offensively; gives us fans a bit of a thrill a la Dan Majerle's final season; passing of the torch)

A few I'm even less sure about:

- David West (TJ's mentor, could he mentor Ayton too?)
- Thomas Robinson (just for an energy injection when needed)
- Jan Vesely ("best center in Europe")

Are there other options? I don't think Jahlil Okafor or Noah Vonleh are fits. Not really interested in defense-only traditional bigs like Trevor Booker or Amir Johnson. If we want someone with some stretch to their game, I think we'd have to look at the trade market.

Overall, it seems to me that Alan Williams is clearly the best option, but I think he wants a bigger role elsewhere.

What last roster spot? Right now we have 15 players under contract.

Knight/Harrison/Okobu
Booker/Daniels/Reed
Warren/Jackson/Bridges
Ariza/Dudley/Bender
Ayton/Chandler/Chriss

I was going to ask the same thing. I hope they don't cut Reed tomorrow or Harrison (if they still can).

[phrazbit]

Agreed. They need assets. Maybe he doesn't fit but it's better than nothing right now. At least Shroeder can be moved. You can't move dead cap space.
For a team that is capped out, they need to add talent where they can.

Schroeder isn't an asset and this trade proves that moving him is almost impossible. The Hawks just threw 30 million dollars on a bonfire just to rid themselves of the bum. OKC is stuck with him.

[lilfishi22]

Count me in for Amare Stoudemire... I think he can teach Chriss and Ayton some things. I also would love to buy a Stoudemire jersey. My favorite Sun of all time.


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Make him work with all the bigs. I want Bender with that classic Amare aggressiveness.

[lilfishi22]

Agreed. They need assets. Maybe he doesn't fit but it's better than nothing right now. At least Shroeder can be moved. You can't move dead cap space.
For a team that is capped out, they need to add talent where they can.

Schroeder isn't an asset and this trade proves that moving him is almost impossible. The Hawks just threw 30 million dollars on a bonfire just to rid themselves of the bum. OKC is stuck with him.

+1

I would rather just eat Melo's remaining $30m stretched over the next few seasons than essentially kicking the can further down the road with Schroder. There's every chance that come the last yr of Schroder's deal he becomes a stretch candidate too. That's how bad and cancerous I think he is.

You nailed it with this description

Schroeder is a homeless man's Brandon Knight during a bad game... with the attitude of a 2015 Morris Brother. He is the 2013 point guard version of Michael Beasley... on a 15 mil a year, long term contract.

At least Knight is, by all accounts, a good locker room guy.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Man, I really wish we could get some clarity as to what we're doing with that last roster spot. Here are the bigs I'd consider adding:

- Montrezl Harrell (probably wants more money and time than we can offer)
- Alan Williams (come home, big sauce! How's the knee feeling?)
- Lucas Nogueira (too limited?)
- Alex Len (much improved; certainly wants a bigger role and a new start; won't happen)
- Amare Stoudemire (might be able to help Deandre figure out how to be dominant offensively; gives us fans a bit of a thrill a la Dan Majerle's final season; passing of the torch)

A few I'm even less sure about:

- David West (TJ's mentor, could he mentor Ayton too?)
- Thomas Robinson (just for an energy injection when needed)
- Jan Vesely ("best center in Europe")

Are there other options? I don't think Jahlil Okafor or Noah Vonleh are fits. Not really interested in defense-only traditional bigs like Trevor Booker or Amir Johnson. If we want someone with some stretch to their game, I think we'd have to look at the trade market.

Overall, it seems to me that Alan Williams is clearly the best option, but I think he wants a bigger role elsewhere.

What last roster spot? Right now we have 15 players under contract.

Knight/Harrison/Okobu
Booker/Daniels/Reed
Warren/Jackson/Bridges
Ariza/Dudley/Bender
Ayton/Chandler/Chriss

I was going to ask the same thing. I hope they don't cut Reed tomorrow or Harrison (if they still can).

I guess I'm supposing that we cut one of Tyson or Dudley..... though that may be unlikely, given that the FO probably looks at those contracts as filler for potential trades. Cut 'em and you can't trade 'em! Perhaps we could move Daniels. IDK. Wish Tyson were gone already.

[bwgood77]

What last roster spot? Right now we have 15 players under contract.

Knight/Harrison/Okobu
Booker/Daniels/Reed
Warren/Jackson/Bridges
Ariza/Dudley/Bender
Ayton/Chandler/Chriss

I was going to ask the same thing. I hope they don't cut Reed tomorrow or Harrison (if they still can).

I guess I'm supposing that we cut one of Tyson or Dudley..... though that may be unlikely, given that the FO probably looks at those contracts as filler for potential trades. Cut 'em and you can't trade 'em! Perhaps we could move Daniels. IDK. Wish Tyson were gone already.

I can't see why they would just waive those guys if they have to pay them. I don't see them taking a buyout unless they request it. Jared won't. Tyson maybe, but I'm not expecting it, unless he doesn't want to play...not sure any team would want him that bad or that he'd really want to play. He has his ring. Daniels might be tradeable since he can shoot, but likely not considering the Grizz had to give up a pick to get rid of him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I was going to ask the same thing. I hope they don't cut Reed tomorrow or Harrison (if they still can).

I guess I'm supposing that we cut one of Tyson or Dudley..... though that may be unlikely, given that the FO probably looks at those contracts as filler for potential trades. Cut 'em and you can't trade 'em! Perhaps we could move Daniels. IDK. Wish Tyson were gone already.

I can't see why they would just waive those guys if they have to pay them. I don't see them taking a buyout unless they request it. Jared won't. Tyson maybe, but I'm not expecting it, unless he doesn't want to play...not sure any team would want him that bad or that he'd really want to play. He has his ring. Daniels might be tradeable since he can shoot, but likely not considering the Grizz had to give up a pick to get rid of him.

What's the benefit of having a guy on the roster if he isn't gonna play? It doesn't cost you anything to cut ties, except for the lost ability to trade them. Are you suggesting there may be some benefit to Tyson seeing some floor time next year? I guess if you believe in his mentorship function. I'd just rather have a guy who can play take that spot.