Let's Make a Deal: Thunder Trade Targets

[D21]

You are not saving 8M in salary only, you're saving 62M once you take luxury tax in,

and adding the same amount next year.

This deal doesn't ask OKC to sign a paper that order them to keep this roster.
Nothing is set in stone, and from what I see, OKC was supposed to pay 62M more this year, and they won't.
So I suppose that if there's a money problem next summer, they will have the possibility to repeat this, and trade one player to save money.
As long as they can make Schröder play without off court problem, he will certainly be one of the easiest to trade, at 15M/yr for two season remaining, which will be more valued than this year, since the cap should be at 108M instead of 101M

[spearsy23]

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[Atomic Punk]

I know I'm in the absolute minority, but I'm ecstatic. We just filled what was our biggest need in my eyes, and with a young player on a multi year contract. If ownership is willing to pay then I'm all for being as good as possible.


Also, I TOLD YOU WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL WAS!!!!!!!!

There are three of us total that even semi-like it I think lol.

Make that 4.

[Dn4sty]

I know I'm in the absolute minority, but I'm ecstatic. We just filled what was our biggest need in my eyes, and with a young player on a multi year contract. If ownership is willing to pay then I'm all for being as good as possible.


Also, I TOLD YOU WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL WAS!!!!!!!!

There are three of us total that even semi-like it I think lol.

Make that 4.

I’m cautiously optimistic

[Atomic Punk]

You are not saving 8M in salary only, you're saving 62M once you take luxury tax in,

and adding the same amount next year.

Why are you so concerned about what OKC might be on the hook for money wise next year? Were you this concerned about the potential salary/tax implications when they traded for Melo? I’ll put it this way; yesterday the team was staring down the barrel of a $300 million salary/tax bill for 2019. Today, they are not. Let’s give this front office a little credit here, they have shown the ability to be creative, flexible, and to deal with the situation they find themselves in fluidly. And besides, if ownership is ok paying out the money, what the hell do I care? I prefer that to the cheapskate strategy. The bottom line is the team got a very good guard, another raw wing prospect, and they saved money this year. I couldn’t care less about a mid first round pick 4 years from now or what the team might pay in luxury tax next season.

[slick_watts]

Why are you so concerned about what OKC might be on the hook for money wise next year?

because it matters. and yes i was concerned about the tax implications of trading for carmelo anthony. a lot of people were. because of this very outcome. we ended up having to give up a pick to clear some of the salary. i know it's four years away, but it's still a first round pick that is now untradeable even if it does not convey in 2022, so it limits the team's flexibility now and in the future.

i just see it as a needless risk. i respect the all-in approach, even though it's a few years too late. this is what sam should have been doing in 2014-15. now it just seems like throwing away the future for no reason. i guess schroder could surprise and i guess TLC could surprise but at the end of the day, the thunder are going to face the same decisions next year with another huge tax bill and what future asset are they going to have to give up to get out of it then?

my thoughts on the trade are informed by my belief that while the warriors are around this should be a time for teams to be prudent and not overreach. i think sam is overreaching. i think in a few years when westbrook is in decline they could seriously regret some of these decisions. i hope not.

this is all besides the fact that i don't think schroder, even at his best, is a fit on this roster.

[Atomic Punk]

Why are you so concerned about what OKC might be on the hook for money wise next year?

because it matters. and yes i was concerned about the tax implications of trading for carmelo anthony. a lot of people were. because of this very outcome. we ended up having to give up a pick to clear some of the salary. i know it's four years away, but it's still a first round pick that is now untradeable even if it does not convey in 2022, so it limits the team's flexibility now and in the future.

i just see it as a needless risk. i respect the all-in approach, even though it's a few years too late. this is what sam should have been doing in 2014-15. now it just seems like throwing away the future for no reason. i guess schroder could surprise and i guess TLC could surprise but at the end of the day, the thunder are going to face the same decisions next year with another huge tax bill and what future asset are they going to have to give up to get out of it then?

my thoughts on the trade are informed by my belief that while the warriors are around this should be a time for teams to be prudent and not overreach. i think sam is overreaching. i think in a few years when westbrook is in decline they could seriously regret some of these decisions. i hope not.

this is all besides the fact that i don't think schroder, even at his best, is a fit on this roster.

All valid and legitimate concerns. But I don't want to get caught up in the what could have/should have been done and what might happen years down the road. I appreciate the fact that the team and Presti is willing to change their approach and gamble on the present and try to win now while they have two perennial all-stars on the roster. The moves they have made over the past two summers show a willingness to take chances and try to capitalize on the now. I also like the fact that they aren't waiting for the Warriors to decline and are simply rolling over here. And finally, I think I see the what they are doing on court wise; they want to play fast, play down hill. They aren't going to try and beat the Warriors and Rockets at their own game, they are going in a different direction. I like it. Will they be successful? Who knows. Will they be a compelling team to watch? No doubt.

[Atomic Punk]

Why are you so concerned about what OKC might be on the hook for money wise next year?

because it matters. and yes i was concerned about the tax implications of trading for carmelo anthony. a lot of people were. because of this very outcome. we ended up having to give up a pick to clear some of the salary. i know it's four years away, but it's still a first round pick that is now untradeable even if it does not convey in 2022, so it limits the team's flexibility now and in the future.

i just see it as a needless risk. i respect the all-in approach, even though it's a few years too late. this is what sam should have been doing in 2014-15. now it just seems like throwing away the future for no reason. i guess schroder could surprise and i guess TLC could surprise but at the end of the day, the thunder are going to face the same decisions next year with another huge tax bill and what future asset are they going to have to give up to get out of it then?

my thoughts on the trade are informed by my belief that while the warriors are around this should be a time for teams to be prudent and not overreach. i think sam is overreaching. i think in a few years when westbrook is in decline they could seriously regret some of these decisions. i hope not.

this is all besides the fact that i don't think schroder, even at his best, is a fit on this roster.

All valid and legitimate concerns. But I don't want to get caught up in the what could have/should have been done and what might happen years down the road. I appreciate the fact that the team and Presti is willing to change their approach and gamble on the present and try to win now while they have two perennial all-stars on the roster. The moves they have made over the past two summers show a willingness to take chances and try to capitalize on the now. I also like the fact that they aren't waiting for the Warriors to decline and are simply rolling over here. And finally, I think I see the what they are doing on court wise; they want to play fast, play down hill. They aren't going to try and beat the Warriors and Rockets at their own game, they are going in a different direction. I like it. Will they be successful? Who knows. Will they be a compelling team to watch? No doubt.

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I don't think they are done making moves BTW

[slick_watts]

Why are you so concerned about what OKC might be on the hook for money wise next year?

because it matters. and yes i was concerned about the tax implications of trading for carmelo anthony. a lot of people were. because of this very outcome. we ended up having to give up a pick to clear some of the salary. i know it's four years away, but it's still a first round pick that is now untradeable even if it does not convey in 2022, so it limits the team's flexibility now and in the future.

i just see it as a needless risk. i respect the all-in approach, even though it's a few years too late. this is what sam should have been doing in 2014-15. now it just seems like throwing away the future for no reason. i guess schroder could surprise and i guess TLC could surprise but at the end of the day, the thunder are going to face the same decisions next year with another huge tax bill and what future asset are they going to have to give up to get out of it then?

my thoughts on the trade are informed by my belief that while the warriors are around this should be a time for teams to be prudent and not overreach. i think sam is overreaching. i think in a few years when westbrook is in decline they could seriously regret some of these decisions. i hope not.

this is all besides the fact that i don't think schroder, even at his best, is a fit on this roster.

All valid and legitimate concerns. But I don't want to get caught up in the what could have/should have been done and what might happen years down the road. I appreciate the fact that the team and Presti is willing to change their approach and gamble on the present and try to win now while they have two perennial all-stars on the roster. The moves they have made over the past two summers show a willingness to take chances and try to capitalize on the now. I also like the fact that they aren't waiting for the Warriors to decline and are simply rolling over here. And finally, I think I see the what they are doing on court wise; they want to play fast, play down hill. They aren't going to try and beat the Warriors and Rockets at their own game, they are going in a different direction. I like it. Will they be successful? Who knows. Will they be a compelling team to watch? No doubt.

effective defenses have become adept at defending teams with guards who can't shoot. recall the issues that russell westbrook had with utah in the first round last year, and what the boston celtics did to the sixers . i don't see how adding schroder and TLC does anything but exacerbate this problem. i suppose there's a chance that schroder can be an average spot up three point shooter, but does that really help all that much?

the team will still be wholly reliant on offensive rebounding. probably won't improve much in eFG, FT/FGA, or own TOV. it's possible that with melo gone and noel on board the defense without a 100% andre roberson could be ok, but honestly i don't see the direction you do. i see sam presti collecting a bunch of players who can't shoot, and the thunder media attaching a slogan to it ('play fast, down hill').

[Atomic Punk]

because it matters. and yes i was concerned about the tax implications of trading for carmelo anthony. a lot of people were. because of this very outcome. we ended up having to give up a pick to clear some of the salary. i know it's four years away, but it's still a first round pick that is now untradeable even if it does not convey in 2022, so it limits the team's flexibility now and in the future.

i just see it as a needless risk. i respect the all-in approach, even though it's a few years too late. this is what sam should have been doing in 2014-15. now it just seems like throwing away the future for no reason. i guess schroder could surprise and i guess TLC could surprise but at the end of the day, the thunder are going to face the same decisions next year with another huge tax bill and what future asset are they going to have to give up to get out of it then?

my thoughts on the trade are informed by my belief that while the warriors are around this should be a time for teams to be prudent and not overreach. i think sam is overreaching. i think in a few years when westbrook is in decline they could seriously regret some of these decisions. i hope not.

this is all besides the fact that i don't think schroder, even at his best, is a fit on this roster.

All valid and legitimate concerns. But I don't want to get caught up in the what could have/should have been done and what might happen years down the road. I appreciate the fact that the team and Presti is willing to change their approach and gamble on the present and try to win now while they have two perennial all-stars on the roster. The moves they have made over the past two summers show a willingness to take chances and try to capitalize on the now. I also like the fact that they aren't waiting for the Warriors to decline and are simply rolling over here. And finally, I think I see the what they are doing on court wise; they want to play fast, play down hill. They aren't going to try and beat the Warriors and Rockets at their own game, they are going in a different direction. I like it. Will they be successful? Who knows. Will they be a compelling team to watch? No doubt.

effective defenses have become adept at defending teams with guards who can't shoot. recall the issues that russell westbrook had with utah in the first round last year, and what the boston celtics did to the sixers . i don't see how adding schroder and TLC does anything but exacerbate this problem. i suppose there's a chance that schroder can be an average spot up three point shooter, but does that really help all that much?

the team will still be wholly reliant on offensive rebounding. probably won't improve much in eFG, FT/FGA, or own TOV. it's possible that with melo gone and noel on board the defense without a 100% andre roberson could be ok, but honestly i don't see the direction you do. i see sam presti collecting a bunch of players who can't shoot, and the thunder media attaching a slogan to it ('play fast, down hill').

Is that the slogan Thunder media is attaching to this approach? I don't read the local Thunder media, I don't live anywhere near Oklahoma and honestly don't care what local media has to say about their sports franchises. But we can agree to disagree here. Schroder will be a sixth man/scorer and TLC probably won't sniff the rotation next year. The Thunder got something out of Melo, not many people believed they could have done that. You and I obviously don't attach the same value to the future first and we don't share the same concerns over future dollars. Thats fine.

[ThunderBolt]

I don’t love the trade but I’m a firm believer that in order to win big, you have to get lucky. These are far from sure moves but IF this team weren’t to make a leap, one or two of TLC, Schroder, Diallo, Nole and Ferguson would have to be a surprise player. I dont know if that’s possible or even likely but it’s the best case scenario that I’ll hope for.

[slick_watts]

I don’t love the trade but I’m a firm believer that in order to win big, you have to get lucky. These are far from sure moves but IF this team weren’t to make a leap, one or two of TLC, Schroder, Diallo, Nole and Ferguson would have to be a surprise player. I dont know if that’s possible or even likely but it’s the best case scenario that I’ll hope for.

my downer take you can choose to ignore: the reason we have TLC instead of justin anderson is because andre roberson is not looking so great for next year.

[Atomic Punk]

I don’t love the trade but I’m a firm believer that in order to win big, you have to get lucky. These are far from sure moves but IF this team weren’t to make a leap, one or two of TLC, Schroder, Diallo, Nole and Ferguson would have to be a surprise player. I dont know if that’s possible or even likely but it’s the best case scenario that I’ll hope for.

It's something. If they had simply stretched Melo what would we even be talking about today?

[Atomic Punk]

I don’t love the trade but I’m a firm believer that in order to win big, you have to get lucky. These are far from sure moves but IF this team weren’t to make a leap, one or two of TLC, Schroder, Diallo, Nole and Ferguson would have to be a surprise player. I dont know if that’s possible or even likely but it’s the best case scenario that I’ll hope for.

my downer take you can choose to ignore: the reason we have TLC instead of justin anderson is because andre roberson is not looking so great for next year.

And that is something that has been somewhat overlooked. If Dre is not ready to go opening night or if he will never return to form then that is a legitimate concern. I tend to think that he will not be ready opening night.

[ThunderBolt]

I don’t love the trade but I’m a firm believer that in order to win big, you have to get lucky. These are far from sure moves but IF this team weren’t to make a leap, one or two of TLC, Schroder, Diallo, Nole and Ferguson would have to be a surprise player. I dont know if that’s possible or even likely but it’s the best case scenario that I’ll hope for.

my downer take you can choose to ignore: the reason we have TLC instead of justin anderson is because andre roberson is not looking so great for next year.

I don’t think that’s a downer take. I love Dre but I don’t think he’ll be the same. I would move him if we could but I think Sam will be loyal.

[retrobro90]

Just saw Givony said a few days back that the one and done rule wouldn't be extinguished in time for the 2022 draft or at least thats what he's heard from teams. Makes me feel a little better I guess but can't believe we gave up another FRP.

[Atomic Punk]

I don’t love the trade but I’m a firm believer that in order to win big, you have to get lucky. These are far from sure moves but IF this team weren’t to make a leap, one or two of TLC, Schroder, Diallo, Nole and Ferguson would have to be a surprise player. I dont know if that’s possible or even likely but it’s the best case scenario that I’ll hope for.

my downer take you can choose to ignore: the reason we have TLC instead of justin anderson is because andre roberson is not looking so great for next year.

I don’t think that’s a downer take. I love Dre but I don’t think he’ll be the same. I would move him if we could but I think Sam will be loyal.

Unfortunately, if he will never be the same, his contract will be more valuable as a trading piece than his skills as a basketball player. It will be pretty sad if it ever comes to that.

[Pillendreher]

OKC general manager Sam Presti and coach Billy Donovan were given permission to speak with Schroder before the agreement, and the three of them discussed his role with Oklahoma City.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24141942/oklahoma-city-thunder-trade-carmelo-anthony-atlanta-hawks-dennis-schroder-mike-muscala

Assuming they were up front with him, maybe he’s cool with coming off the bench.

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There's a difference between "You come off the bench" and "You play 35 minutes a night". We don't know what they promised him. They gave a washed up Melo 32 minutes a night last season.

[ThunderBolt]

OKC general manager Sam Presti and coach Billy Donovan were given permission to speak with Schroder before the agreement, and the three of them discussed his role with Oklahoma City.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24141942/oklahoma-city-thunder-trade-carmelo-anthony-atlanta-hawks-dennis-schroder-mike-muscala

Assuming they were up front with him, maybe he’s cool with coming off the bench.

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There's a difference between "You come off the bench" and "You play 35 minutes a night". We don't know what they promised him. They gave a washed up Melo 32 minutes a night last season.

We knew melo had some specific skills and some obvious weaknesses. The problem was his skills didn’t benefit the team help the team the way we had hoped. There are several reasons for that but one of them was his declining athleticism. DS has some major concerns but he’s definitely not lacking in athleticism. Watching some of the highlights of him it’s become clear that he’s very fast.

[Kizz Fastfists]

DS has some major concerns but he’s definitely not lacking in athleticism. Watching some of the highlights of him it’s become clear that he’s very fast.

What is Usain Bolt up to these days? He's very fast.