Terry Rozier- future starter

[bucknersrevenge]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

[Valid]

Our ceiling would definitely be quite a bit lower. Do I still think we would be able to win titles? Absolutely. After all, Rozier is no scrub. However, our chances of a dynasty are definitely higher with Kyrie.

[Gomes3PC]

Terry is a nice, potential top-15/20 starter at his position. Kyrie is a top-5 guy at the point. Huge difference in that incremental value to a title contender.

[cloverleaf]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

I am certain Danny will extend some sort of extension to him this fall. If it is a decent one (still to be seen), I expect he'll accept it--which will at least take him out of the RFA experience (and secure him and his family for life, if he manages it right).

[bucknersrevenge]

It would definitely mean that Tatum and Brown need to reach their ceiling in order for them to not lose too much ground in the dropoff from Kyrie to Terry. But speaking as someone who has often given Terry a lot of crap on this board, he really showed me something with the growth and maturity in his game late last year and especially in the playoffs about his ability to handle the moment Game 7 notwithstanding. Would you bet against these 3 not to continue their ascension from this point on?

[sully00]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

My level of concern would be pretty high because that would be a fantastic misread by Ainge. Lets face it if he did nothing at all then Collin Sexton would be a Celtic and IT could still be in the fold on a team friendly deal. I don't blame Ainge for taking the shot but if he doesn't all but know Irving is resigning here in July then he should ship his ass out of town by the deadline. To be honest I think that this is the most important issue for the team to resolve and it is internal and I don't expect to be included. But I would just assume dump him for a draft pick if there are any doubts and give the job to Rozier and find out what you have for real.

It is not a great draft for PG and it isn't my favorite position to over value, I find Irving an exception but not to the point that I would put up with too much drama. I think Boston can get by with Rozier and Smart at the position but they have to address the star power loss, that primary scoring option and I am not sure how they do that even with the SAC pick.

[bucknersrevenge]

Terry is a nice, potential top-15/20 starter at his position. Kyrie is a top-5 guy at the point. Huge difference in that incremental value to a title contender.

What would you project as his ability with the rest of this team installed, his ability to sneak into the back half of Top 10 at his position in the next 3 years with continued improvements as he has made them in each of his first 3 years now?

[bucknersrevenge]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

My level of concern would be pretty high because that would be a fantastic misread by Ainge. Lets face it if he did nothing at all then Collin Sexton would be a Celtic and IT could still be in the fold on a team friendly deal. I don't blame Ainge for taking the shot but if he doesn't all but know Irving is resigning here in July then he should ship his ass out of town by the deadline. To be honest I think that this is the most important issue for the team to resolve and it is internal and I don't expect to be included. But I would just assume dump him for a draft pick if there are any doubts and give the job to Rozier and find out what you have for real.

It is not a great draft for PG and it isn't my favorite position to over value, I find Irving an exception but not to the point that I would put up with too much drama. I think Boston can get by with Rozier and Smart at the position but they have to address the star power loss, that primary scoring option and I am not sure how they do that even with the SAC pick.

Good answer. Then I'll ask you, what's your comfort level with Tatum and Brown assuming the star mantles over the next few years? And you still have Gordon Hayward to help with scoring...and whatever the SAC pick becomes.

[cloverleaf]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

My level of concern would be pretty high because that would be a fantastic misread by Ainge. Lets face it if he did nothing at all then Collin Sexton would be a Celtic and IT could still be in the fold on a team friendly deal. I don't blame Ainge for taking the shot but if he doesn't all but know Irving is resigning here in July then he should ship his ass out of town by the deadline. To be honest I think that this is the most important issue for the team to resolve and it is internal and I don't expect to be included. But I would just assume dump him for a draft pick if there are any doubts and give the job to Rozier and find out what you have for real.

It is not a great draft for PG and it isn't my favorite position to over value, I find Irving an exception but not to the point that I would put up with too much drama. I think Boston can get by with Rozier and Smart at the position but they have to address the star power loss, that primary scoring option and I am not sure how they do that even with the SAC pick.

I believe the reports that had Danny protecting his top 5 (3 ASs plus Tatum and Brown) from the one-year rental they just let Toronto pick up. So Danny's not insane re: Rozier or Smart.

[Fencer reregistered]

Let Kyrie walk for nothing would be a very regrettable loss of assets. Fortunately, it's unlikely to happen.

Meanwhile, there are two main groups of reason to think Irving won't be traded. First, it's hard to get the timing right in a realistic scenario. Second, if we're looking strictly at the most important 5-man lineup, it's hard to envision a trade in which that lineup isn't downgraded, and it's also hard to envision a trade that is so beneficial in other ways to overcome that drawback.

So the base case is that Kyrie will start for the Cs for a long time, and -- absent rest or injury considerations -- Rozier won't.

[sully00]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

My level of concern would be pretty high because that would be a fantastic misread by Ainge. Lets face it if he did nothing at all then Collin Sexton would be a Celtic and IT could still be in the fold on a team friendly deal. I don't blame Ainge for taking the shot but if he doesn't all but know Irving is resigning here in July then he should ship his ass out of town by the deadline. To be honest I think that this is the most important issue for the team to resolve and it is internal and I don't expect to be included. But I would just assume dump him for a draft pick if there are any doubts and give the job to Rozier and find out what you have for real.

It is not a great draft for PG and it isn't my favorite position to over value, I find Irving an exception but not to the point that I would put up with too much drama. I think Boston can get by with Rozier and Smart at the position but they have to address the star power loss, that primary scoring option and I am not sure how they do that even with the SAC pick.

Good answer. Then I'll ask you, what's your comfort level with Tatum and Brown assuming the star mantles over the next few years? And you still have Gordon Hayward to help with scoring...and whatever the SAC pick becomes.

Hayward is super underrated right now. He played in Utah and missed last season I think the gap between Hayward and Leonard is pretty small especially on the offensive end where Hayward is more of a playmaker and he would really address the loss of a guy like Irving. I think Tatum is ready to be a primary scorer I am less comfortable about relying on Brown's offense in the final 2 mins of a playoff game.

I think the loss of Irving would make the team more reliant on Horford in a lot of ways and the team would play a lot like we did with KG. It is good stuff but not as dynamic as it can be with Irving, Horford and Hayward that has the makings of a great team so lets hope Kyrie really likes lobster and snow.

[Fencer reregistered]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

I am certain Danny will extend some sort of extension to him this fall. If it is a decent one (still to be seen), I expect he'll accept it--which will at least take him out of the RFA experience (and secure him and his family for life, if he manages it right).

Yep. He's set up to have money for life. And as the starter for two winning playoff series, he's also set up to have respect for life.

[cloverleaf]

Let Kyrie walk for nothing would be a very regrettable loss of assets. Fortunately, it's unlikely to happen.

Meanwhile, there are two main groups of reason to think Irving won't be traded. First, it's hard to get the timing right in a realistic scenario. Second, if we're looking strictly at the most important 5-man lineup, it's hard to envision a trade in which that lineup isn't downgraded, and it's also hard to envision a trade that is so beneficial in other ways to overcome that drawback.

So the base case is that Kyrie will start for the Cs for a long time, and -- absent rest or injury considerations -- Rozier won't.

But if it comes up to the deadline and the C's think Kyrie won't reup, but they think they can win in the spring with him, they could indeed pass up a rental trade that they think would limit the team this year--knowing he could flee in July.

[Froob]

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Let Kyrie walk for nothing would be a very regrettable loss of assets. Fortunately, it's unlikely to happen.

Meanwhile, there are two main groups of reason to think Irving won't be traded. First, it's hard to get the timing right in a realistic scenario. Second, if we're looking strictly at the most important 5-man lineup, it's hard to envision a trade in which that lineup isn't downgraded, and it's also hard to envision a trade that is so beneficial in other ways to overcome that drawback.

So the base case is that Kyrie will start for the Cs for a long time, and -- absent rest or injury considerations -- Rozier won't.

But if it comes up to the deadline and the C's think Kyrie won't reup, but they think they can win in the spring with him, they could indeed pass up a rental trade that they think would limit the team this year--knowing he could flee in July.

Right. But their current belief is he's very likely to re-up, and it feels like they're correct. Kyrie can help his non-sports career more via athletic success in a good city than he can by having less success in what he thinks is the perfect other-career locale. Further, he'd probably have more fun at his athletic job if he wins.

[bucknersrevenge]

My level of concern would be pretty high because that would be a fantastic misread by Ainge. Lets face it if he did nothing at all then Collin Sexton would be a Celtic and IT could still be in the fold on a team friendly deal. I don't blame Ainge for taking the shot but if he doesn't all but know Irving is resigning here in July then he should ship his ass out of town by the deadline. To be honest I think that this is the most important issue for the team to resolve and it is internal and I don't expect to be included. But I would just assume dump him for a draft pick if there are any doubts and give the job to Rozier and find out what you have for real.

It is not a great draft for PG and it isn't my favorite position to over value, I find Irving an exception but not to the point that I would put up with too much drama. I think Boston can get by with Rozier and Smart at the position but they have to address the star power loss, that primary scoring option and I am not sure how they do that even with the SAC pick.

Good answer. Then I'll ask you, what's your comfort level with Tatum and Brown assuming the star mantles over the next few years? And you still have Gordon Hayward to help with scoring...and whatever the SAC pick becomes.

Hayward is super underrated right now. He played in Utah and missed last season I think the gap between Hayward and Leonard is pretty small especially on the offensive end where Hayward is more of a playmaker and he would really address the loss of a guy like Irving. I think Tatum is ready to be a primary scorer I am less comfortable about relying on Brown's offense in the final 2 mins of a playoff game.

I think the loss of Irving would make the team more reliant on Horford in a lot of ways and the team would play a lot like we did with KG. It is good stuff but not as dynamic as it can be with Irving, Horford and Hayward that has the makings of a great team so lets hope Kyrie really likes lobster and snow.

Right, but we're talking about growth over the next 2-3 years from Rozier, Brown, and Tatum correct? Not just isolating next year or so based on where they're currently at. Basically, I'm asking an abstract which is admittedly difficult but try if you will to think about where that group might be after 2-3 years from now and continued growth, maturity, and familiarity in a system.

[bucknersrevenge]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

I am certain Danny will extend some sort of extension to him this fall. If it is a decent one (still to be seen), I expect he'll accept it--which will at least take him out of the RFA experience (and secure him and his family for life, if he manages it right).

See, I'm not so sure he accepts a deal during the season at all. If he had been RFA this season, that would be different but many more teams will have money next year. Given what's on his resume so far, I think he could parlay that into a legitimate offer from a team for a considerable amount.

[ZeroTolerance]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

I am certain Danny will extend some sort of extension to him this fall. If it is a decent one (still to be seen), I expect he'll accept it--which will at least take him out of the RFA experience (and secure him and his family for life, if he manages it right).

I'm thinking if this happens and Rozier is locked up, it could mean that Kyrie will be shopped around....perhaps even to the Knicks?

The Knicks could offer a package of expiring contracts (Kantner@ Herzonia), and a future first round pick...Maybe we could even pry the best prospect to come out of summer league, 7" center Mitchel Robinson away from them for a package of Kyrie, Yabs, Wannamaker and Nader....it all works after December 15th....about the time that a Rozier offer could be tended....It's pretty wild, I know, but if it appears that Kyrie has his future sights focused on NY, Danny just might send him there?....But, it seems like everything hinges on what Rozier does and what sort of deal is done and what sort of vibes Kyrie sends....Having that kind of expiring contracts come due next year would offer quite a lot of contract flexibility and another chance at a future top pick...All that might sound better to some than taking a chance at Kyrie moving on in free agency without getting anything in the way of compensation for him.....

[captain green]

On one hand we lose top 5 pg.But on the other we have a potential top 15 pg. If we lose irving were not busted to much frees his money to get new star. Roster of rozier,brown, hayward,tatum,horford, smart, baynes,thies,williams, draft picks is still great.
But if we lose irving for nothing it's a big blow not critical. It's almost like we haven't really had irving or hayward and was still one quarter away from the finals. I'm not scared of raptors or philly, indiana maybe. So I think we be in good shape even with a star bolting.

[bucknersrevenge]

Not necessarily connected but now with Smart back in the fold it does set up an interesting scenario next year with Kyrie and Terry. Obviously we'd want to keep both but we know Kyrie, assuming health will be max-worthy. Terry is of course restricted but I'd have to think someone is gonna make him a legit offer. My question is not a who do you choose or anything. Obviously, you want Kyrie here. My question is, what is your level of concern regarding this team's future IF Kyrie does move on to say NYK or wherever and Terry re-signs with us going forward is inserted as full-time starter with the rest of the roster and assets remaining the same?

I am certain Danny will extend some sort of extension to him this fall. If it is a decent one (still to be seen), I expect he'll accept it--which will at least take him out of the RFA experience (and secure him and his family for life, if he manages it right).

I'm thinking if this happens and Rozier is locked up, it could mean that Kyrie will be shopped around....perhaps even to the Knicks?

The Knicks could offer a package of expiring contracts (Kantner@ Herzonia), and a future first round pick...Maybe we could even pry the best prospect to come out of summer league, 7" center Mitchel Robinson away from them for a package of Kyrie, Yabs, Wannamaker and Nader....it all works after December 15th....about the time that a Rozier offer could be tended....It's pretty wild, I know, but if it appears that Kyrie has his future sights focused on NY, Danny just might send him there?....But, it seems like everything hinges on what Rozier does and what sort of deal is done and what sort of vibes Kyrie sends....Having that kind of expiring contracts come due next year would offer quite a lot of contract flexibility and another chance at a future top pick...All that might sound better to some than taking a chance at Kyrie moving on in free agency without getting anything in the way of compensation for him.....

Interesting. So you think if they are able to re-sign BOTH Kyrie and Terry that they choose Terry and shop Kyrie?