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Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

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Re: RE: Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#101 » by JWizmentality » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:27 pm

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I was responding to your suggestion that it would be a bad idea to not play to his full potential or sit out as he would kinda be black listed by teams ala Cousins this year because of the injury.

I could see him not getting the offers he wants and just running to G-Sate to screw over the league.

But why is it good for him to get paid $5.4M when he can sign a 4-year $140M contract? That would be the dumbest decision by a player in league history.

Cousins had no choice. Nobody wanted him because nobody with cap room had a need for a grumpy center with a ruptured Achilles. Kawhi has a choice. Play hard in Toronto and teams will line up this summer with max offers.
Cousins has a bad reputation as a grumpy guy but I think he's a better dude than John Wall

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Post#102 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:48 am

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nate33 wrote:But why is it good for him to get paid $5.4M when he can sign a 4-year $140M contract? That would be the dumbest decision by a player in league history.

Cousins had no choice. Nobody wanted him because nobody with cap room had a need for a grumpy center with a ruptured Achilles. Kawhi has a choice. Play hard in Toronto and teams will line up this summer with max offers.
Cousins has a bad reputation as a grumpy guy but I think he's a better dude than John Wall

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Post#103 » by ClutchDJ » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:12 am

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nate33 wrote:But why is it good for him to get paid $5.4M when he can sign a 4-year $140M contract? That would be the dumbest decision by a player in league history.

Cousins had no choice. Nobody wanted him because nobody with cap room had a need for a grumpy center with a ruptured Achilles. Kawhi has a choice. Play hard in Toronto and teams will line up this summer with max offers.
Cousins has a bad reputation as a grumpy guy but I think he's a better dude than John Wall

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#104 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:20 am

Suns stole Richaun Holmes. Oh brother. Our GM is the worst.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#105 » by FAH1223 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:13 am

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#106 » by closg00 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:38 pm

Bejelica signs a 4-year deal with the Kings, he was part of the trade-up for Booker so Bucks get the credit I suppose for finding a player in the 2nd round. Never followed the dude so I don’t even know if this is a good signing.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#107 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:34 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Carrying this forward...

Note: this is just a regular season win SWAG! Nothing more :D
Note: I have more playoff teams than there are slots - I am too much a wimp to cut one of them.
Note: I have us 5th - but we could easily be 4th to 9th. I wouldn't disagree with you on any of those spots.

Playoff teams - Probably win more games than we do
Boston, Philly, Toronto, Indy

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Wizards

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Playoff teams - homer in me says we will win more games
Charlotte, Detroit, Milwaukee, Miami

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Cleveland, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago, Brooklyn, NY


CBS clearly doesn't agree with me, definitely don't think Toronto wins more games than the Celtics or that we only win 37 - guess they think the Dwight experiment will end badly.Interesting that they would come out with their projections this early - both June and July:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-win-total-odds-how-every-teams-2018-19-projections-have-changed-since-the-end-of-last-season/

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Team                  Wins
Toronto Raptors       58.4
Boston Celtics        56.4
Philadelphia 76ers    53.7
Indiana Pacers        49.0
Detroit Pistons       41.7
Miami Heat            41.6
Milwaukee Bucks       41.6
Washington Wizards    37.3
Atlanta Hawks         35.4
Brooklyn Nets         33.5
New York Knicks       33.2
Charlotte Hornets     30.6
Orlando Magic         29.3
Cleveland Cavaliers   25.6
Chicago Bulls         19.7
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#108 » by payitforward » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:43 pm

Really a shame to miss on Holmes. A good player at a bargain price.
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Post#109 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:49 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Think about the costs for a backup PG against the luxury tax savings - quite an affordable contract then, no? + they get Luwawu-Cabarrot who I feel will improve their with that brand of basketball.

If he is found guilty and can't play the games he is automatically docked that pay (and that too comes off the luxury tax penalty). The perfect case for them would be if Schroder couldn't play the first 40 games (luxury tax penalty wise).

I think the risk/reward matrix is too great not to jump at the opportunity, no?


Is it really? Everyone talks about it from a savings standpoint this season versus having Melo, but if they would have stretched Melo and signed a minimum backup PG, they'd be paying over $20 million less given the tax this season than they would be with the current trade. That would have been the true money-saving move. And it would have been an even bigger cap saving move because it would have kept them less exposed to the repeater tax in subsequent seasons.

So it isn't a money-saving trade, let's consider if it helps them. Schroder is talented, for sure, but he's a guy who absolutely needs to dominate the ball; he's pretty darn horrible off the ball as he can't shoot, and he isn't a defender, either. He's a terrible, terrible fit next to Westbrook. As a backup for Westbrook? Sure, but finding guards who can take and miss lots of shots isn't necessarily as hard as it sounds. He's still young and can improve, for sure, but he's also 24 and has been largely the same player the past few seasons so it seems pretty likely that he is what he is.

As for Luwawu, he's an interesting flyer, but he's also 23 and been really pretty bad in his 2 seasons thus far. I don't really see how he factors into the equation here. The Thunder could have found any number of cheap young wings on the market for the minimum at this point that would be as good as Luwawu without having had to take back Schroeder's contract.

Like I've been saying, I can absolutely see it for the Thunder. So long as they're okay paying the money, great, it's just money. And there is very much the possibility that Schroeder matures and makes them look great in the trade. It's a pretty expensive financial shot to take, though, when compared with stretching Melo. I actually think the Thunder made this play not so much for Schroeder himself but in the hopes that they find a way to move his contract - something they wouldn't have been able to do with a stretched Melo contract. Basically, they're paying more this season in the hopes of paying less in future seasons.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#110 » by closg00 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:58 pm

No comments on Kevin Love’s crazy contract? Was it to retain a building piece for FA 2019?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#111 » by LyricalRico » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:51 pm

closg00 wrote:No comments on Kevin Love’s crazy contract? Was it to retain a building piece for FA 2019?


Just saw it and I don't really get it from either side. Why would Love commit to what will be a bad team? And then why would a team that needs to rebuild pay a guy like Love cornerstone money?

I guess Love does it for the money and the Cavs do it to retain an asset they can trade later? :dontknow:
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Post#112 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:53 pm

I think we might have found a medical staff worse than the Wizards. :D
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Post#113 » by nate33 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:03 pm

closg00 wrote:No comments on Kevin Love’s crazy contract? Was it to retain a building piece for FA 2019?

Very interesting. I guess Cleveland is gonna try and be happy as a perennial .500 team. They'd rather tread water than tank. Maybe from a business standpoint, they think they can make more money that way - try and retain the fans that Lebron attracted instead of tanking and rebuilding.

Hmmm, it looks like their best move going forward would be to trade some of those veteran contracts that expire in 2019 or 2020 for a longer contract attached to a better but overpaid player. Something like George Hill and a pick for John Wall, or George Hill for Jrue Holiday might be interesting.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#114 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:07 pm

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closg00 wrote:No comments on Kevin Love’s crazy contract? Was it to retain a building piece for FA 2019?

Very interesting. I guess Cleveland is gonna try and be happy as a perennial .500 team. They'd rather tread water than tank. Maybe from a business standpoint, they think they can make more money that way - try and retain the fans that Lebron attracted instead of tanking and rebuilding.

Hmmm, it looks like their best move going forward would be to trade some of those veteran contracts that expire in 2019 or 2020 for a longer contract attached to a better but overpaid player. Something like George Hill and a pick for John Wall, or George Hill for Jrue Holiday might be interesting.


Makes no sense though I assume Love will start putting up Minnesota-like numbers again as the No. 1 option. He was putting up 26ppg, 12.5rpg and 4.4 apg in his last season with the T-Wolves.
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Post#115 » by FAH1223 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:14 pm

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Post#116 » by verbal8 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:18 pm

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closg00 wrote:No comments on Kevin Love’s crazy contract? Was it to retain a building piece for FA 2019?


Just saw it and I don't really get it from either side. Why would Love commit to what will be a bad team? And then why would a team that needs to rebuild pay a guy like Love cornerstone money?

I guess Love does it for the money and the Cavs do it to retain an asset they can trade later? :dontknow:


There has been some talk that Love wants stability. He also had 120 million reasons to make the deal.

If the Cavs aren't good, they might as well have pay a player who might be good vs. having to overpay in FA for players who don't have much chance to be good.

I think the Leonard situation may have encouraged both sides to make a deal. It was a situation where neither side ended up looking very good or really getting what it wanted.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#117 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:48 pm

Bucks sign Trevon Duval to a 2-way contract. I still don't get how he wasn't drafted after being a HS All-American and having a fine frosh year starting all season for Duke.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#118 » by Ruzious » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:51 pm

payitforward wrote:Really a shame to miss on Holmes. A good player at a bargain price.

Unless I'm mistaken, he's going to be a UFA next offseason.
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Post#119 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:19 pm

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