Around the NBA, 2017-18 Season thread

[TheBrooklynKidd]

half of kahwi leonard in 60 games is still an upgrade from derozan.

Why are you such a hater? Demar Derozan is legitimately good.

and Kahwi leonard is legitimately great.

As good as derozan is offensivelly, kahwi is the better offensively player... then on top of that Kahwi is arguably the leagues best defender.

You boast about Derozans 56 TS%.... Kahwi was 60 TS% for his career, 39% from three for his career. Kahwi is 49/39/85 for his career.

kawhi is insanely underrated on the nets board. people talk about him like he is some fringe all-star when he is closer to lebron/durant level

Kawhi WAS legitimately great. Everything about him is an unknown at this point. Will he even still be a top 15 player? Can he play more than 50 games? Will he leave for the Lakers like he said? These are all legitimate factors that brought down his trade value whether you choose to believe it or not.

At the end of the day this trade made the Spurs a much better team than they were last year. Kawhi was going to leave for nothing.

[Prokorov]

Why are you such a hater? Demar Derozan is legitimately good.

and Kahwi leonard is legitimately great.

As good as derozan is offensivelly, kahwi is the better offensively player... then on top of that Kahwi is arguably the leagues best defender.

You boast about Derozans 56 TS%.... Kahwi was 60 TS% for his career, 39% from three for his career. Kahwi is 49/39/85 for his career.

kawhi is insanely underrated on the nets board. people talk about him like he is some fringe all-star when he is closer to lebron/durant level

I don't think he's underrated on here at all. My take was that Sean Marks would be insane to trade every asset he has to get him for one season. You disagree and believe that the risk is worth it even if he walks (which he would). That doesn't mean that I think that Leonard is a fringe all star. He's an elite superstar when healthy. I'm not going to empty the bank though just to rent him. I would say the same about Lebron or Durant.

i respect your opinion, but people implying he isnt an upgrade to Derozan are drastically undervaluing him

[MrDollarBills]

and Kahwi leonard is legitimately great.

As good as derozan is offensivelly, kahwi is the better offensively player... then on top of that Kahwi is arguably the leagues best defender.

You boast about Derozans 56 TS%.... Kahwi was 60 TS% for his career, 39% from three for his career. Kahwi is 49/39/85 for his career.

kawhi is insanely underrated on the nets board. people talk about him like he is some fringe all-star when he is closer to lebron/durant level

I don't think he's underrated on here at all. My take was that Sean Marks would be insane to trade every asset he has to get him for one season. You disagree and believe that the risk is worth it even if he walks (which he would). That doesn't mean that I think that Leonard is a fringe all star. He's an elite superstar when healthy. I'm not going to empty the bank though just to rent him. I would say the same about Lebron or Durant.

i respect your opinion, but people implying he isnt an upgrade to Derozan are drastically undervaluing him

Oh, I am with you there. No question he is a superior player to DeRozan. If he is healthy and engaged the Raptors are going to be a difficult out for Boston and Philly.

[MrDollarBills]

Leonard is the ultimate pro and high charecter guy. he will play 110% because he is a winner regardless of if he wants to be there. similar to jimmy butler in minnesota

I think there have to be legitimate concerns about him being professional and high character. The way that he handled this situation does not reflect well on him. You are a big fan of his, I get it, but I think there are valid questions about just how high his character is if he's getting shipped up north by the Spurs out of sheer spite.

He has handled this better then i can imagine anyone handling it. he has stayed out of the media and worked behind closed doors. and the spurs have screwed him over time and time again. the trust is gone. the spurs arent trading him out of spite, but out of need. they are spiting the lakers, not kawhi.

Kawhi is as good a guy you will come across in the NBA, and even implying he wouldnt give 110% there is completely baseless. It is completely shameful what the spurs did to him. and honestly if he crapped all over them in the media he probably would still be in the right. they potentially shortened the career of a 25 year old all-nba player and forced him to play despite what his own doctors said for the teams benefit. thats F'd up.

I'm not taking the Spurs side but I hear varying accounts of what is going on. the truth will come out though now that the divorce is final so we'll see.

[Prokorov]

I think there have to be legitimate concerns about him being professional and high character. The way that he handled this situation does not reflect well on him. You are a big fan of his, I get it, but I think there are valid questions about just how high his character is if he's getting shipped up north by the Spurs out of sheer spite.

He has handled this better then i can imagine anyone handling it. he has stayed out of the media and worked behind closed doors. and the spurs have screwed him over time and time again. the trust is gone. the spurs arent trading him out of spite, but out of need. they are spiting the lakers, not kawhi.

Kawhi is as good a guy you will come across in the NBA, and even implying he wouldnt give 110% there is completely baseless. It is completely shameful what the spurs did to him. and honestly if he crapped all over them in the media he probably would still be in the right. they potentially shortened the career of a 25 year old all-nba player and forced him to play despite what his own doctors said for the teams benefit. thats F'd up.

I'm not taking the Spurs side but I hear varying accounts of what is going on. the truth will come out though now that the divorce is final so we'll see.

we have the facts. we know he was really hurt and we know the spurs forced him back early. we know he has been media silent and done his work behind closed doors. there are millions of examples of how this situation can be handled poorly, and kawhi doesnt fit any of them. its just narrative.

look at derozan, he took to twitter instantly when the raptors did him dirty.

[shakendfries]

I would not be surprised if Kawhi tries to force Toronto into buyout negotiations

[MrDollarBills]

He has handled this better then i can imagine anyone handling it. he has stayed out of the media and worked behind closed doors. and the spurs have screwed him over time and time again. the trust is gone. the spurs arent trading him out of spite, but out of need. they are spiting the lakers, not kawhi.

Kawhi is as good a guy you will come across in the NBA, and even implying he wouldnt give 110% there is completely baseless. It is completely shameful what the spurs did to him. and honestly if he crapped all over them in the media he probably would still be in the right. they potentially shortened the career of a 25 year old all-nba player and forced him to play despite what his own doctors said for the teams benefit. thats F'd up.

I'm not taking the Spurs side but I hear varying accounts of what is going on. the truth will come out though now that the divorce is final so we'll see.

we have the facts. we know he was really hurt and we know the spurs forced him back early. we know he has been media silent and done his work behind closed doors. there are millions of examples of how this situation can be handled poorly, and kawhi doesnt fit any of them. its just narrative.

look at derozan, he took to twitter instantly when the raptors did him dirty.

The Raptors lied to his face. He had every right to call them on it.

Just like Leonard had every right to distrust the Spurs for rushing him back and causing him to be injured further.

[MrDollarBills]

I would not be surprised if Kawhi tries to force Toronto into buyout negotiations

that would be crazy Raptors gave up a first just to salary dump DeRozan.

[brook]

I would not be surprised if Kawhi tries to force Toronto into buyout negotiations

you can't be serious.

[Prokorov]

Why are you such a hater? Demar Derozan is legitimately good.

and Kahwi leonard is legitimately great.

As good as derozan is offensivelly, kahwi is the better offensively player... then on top of that Kahwi is arguably the leagues best defender.

You boast about Derozans 56 TS%.... Kahwi was 60 TS% for his career, 39% from three for his career. Kahwi is 49/39/85 for his career.

kawhi is insanely underrated on the nets board. people talk about him like he is some fringe all-star when he is closer to lebron/durant level

Kawhi WAS legitimately great. Everything about him is an unknown at this point. Will he even still be a top 15 player? Can he play more than 50 games? Will he leave for the Lakers like he said? These are all legitimate factors that brought down his trade value whether you choose to believe it or not.

At the end of the day this trade made the Spurs a much better team than they were last year. Kawhi was going to leave for nothing.

Kawhi missed one season, prior to that he was arguably the leagues MVP.

we arent talking about like, a 30 year old Lin coming off a torn ACL and Torn achillies...

you are talking about nothing torn and no structural damage... right quad tendiopathy. no surgury required.... basially you just need time and alot of rehab. something the spurs didnt allow of him, whichc is how we got to this mess in the first place, the forced him back too soon when his own doctor said he wasnt ready and it basically set him back to square one. then they tried to make him come back again late in the season.

prognosis for this type of injury is a 100% recovery.

[CalamityX12]

Dennis Schroeder to OKC.....

wow, ATL going rebuild mode.

[bud29]

Dennis Schroeder to OKC.....

wow, ATL going rebuild mode.

I think the writing was on the wall for a Schroder trade once they dealt for Lin. They’re definitely the frontrunner for the #1 pick next year, IMO.


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[jbeachboy]

who do you think the 5 worsts teams in league are so far?

[brook]

who do you think the 5 worsts teams in league are so far?

In some order:

Hawks
Kings
Cavs
Magic
Knicks?

[CalamityX12]

who do you think the 5 worsts teams in league are so far?

In some order:

Hawks
Kings
Cavs
Magic
Knicks?

idk about top 5 but scary enough i think the Knicks will be outside of that...

I think Knox is going to have a good rookie season for them.

[bud29]

Kings don't control their own pick this year, so they have no incentive to lose - I'd be surprised to see them land a top-5 pick again. Honestly, outside of Atlanta, projecting the top 5 lotto teams is pretty difficult! Atlanta is the only blatant tanker heading into the season, and some of last year's bad teams (Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas, etc.) are talented enough that you could see them breaking 30 wins this season.

If I had to guess, I'd say it'll go something like
1. Atlanta
2. Orlando
3. Cleveland (expecting them to trade Love)
4. Dallas
5. Brooklyn

On paper, those are some of the worst rosters in the league. Still a possibility that talented teams like Phoenix underperform and get a good pick again.

[brook]

Watanabe sign a two way contract with Memphis

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[MrDollarBills]

Watanabe sign a two way contract with Memphis

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I'm not sure what the Nets were looking at to allow this to happen.

[MrDollarBills]

Kings don't control their own pick this year, so they have no incentive to lose - I'd be surprised to see them land a top-5 pick again. Honestly, outside of Atlanta, projecting the top 5 lotto teams is pretty difficult! Atlanta is the only blatant tanker heading into the season, and some of last year's bad teams (Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas, etc.) are talented enough that you could see them breaking 30 wins this season.

If I had to guess, I'd say it'll go something like
1. Atlanta
2. Orlando
3. Cleveland (expecting them to trade Love)
4. Dallas
5. Brooklyn

On paper, those are some of the worst rosters in the league. Still a possibility that talented teams like Phoenix underperform and get a good pick again.

I have a hard time believing that the Nets are the 5th worst team in the league.

[bud29]

Kings don't control their own pick this year, so they have no incentive to lose - I'd be surprised to see them land a top-5 pick again. Honestly, outside of Atlanta, projecting the top 5 lotto teams is pretty difficult! Atlanta is the only blatant tanker heading into the season, and some of last year's bad teams (Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas, etc.) are talented enough that you could see them breaking 30 wins this season.

If I had to guess, I'd say it'll go something like
1. Atlanta
2. Orlando
3. Cleveland (expecting them to trade Love)
4. Dallas
5. Brooklyn

On paper, those are some of the worst rosters in the league. Still a possibility that talented teams like Phoenix underperform and get a good pick again.

I have a hard time believing that the Nets are the 5th worst team in the league.

On raw talent/potential alone, I think we are absolutely one of the bottom 5 teams in the NBA. As fans we have pretty rosy evaluations of our players, but it's pretty sobering to see non-homer analysts break down our team. Zach Lowe has been a huge fan of Marks, but last season he called RHJ - our best player right now - an ideal 6th man for a contending team. Nate Duncan and Danny Leroux agreed on a recent podcast that Marks has made all the right moves, but none of our young core players even qualify as above average NBA starters yet. We sorely lack talent - we all know who to thank for that, and his name rhymes with Killy Bing.

Now, raw talent alone doesn't win games, and that's where we probably rise out of the bottom 5. We have an excellent system and coaching staff that can extract more wins than you'd expect from a given roster - my projection of the bottom 5 was mostly based on roster talent. That being said, would it shock me to see us end up 5th worst next year? Absolutely not. Three whole games separated the 5th and 8th spot this year, and I think that the entire bottom tier of teams will be generally improved next season. I think a 28-win season would get us a better pick in 2019 than it did in 2018.