Kings Off-Season

[blind prophet]

I don’t get the hate on the Bjelly pick up. Only 3 yrs guaranteed with a < $7m cap hit. The guy has great length, can actually defend the 3 at a respectable level and hits 3’s at a very high rate. I think he’ll be our starting SF and play a big role. I also think the Yogi pick up will pay off much bigger than people realize. He’s a poor mans Bobby Jackson with the same grit and determination. Kings won’t make the playoffs next year but they’ll be much better than people think. Good on Vlade.

I'm meh about it, Bjelica that is

We had need for his skills, his passing and vision should help the youth develop too.

I'd of rather chased assets for cap then took a cheap flier on someone like Troy Williams later.

Now if we trade him next year and get a perk or something I'll like it more.

I like the Yogi pickup.

[kingjawn100]

The Kings did a really good job salvaging things with these 2 signings but you've got to wonder what the plan actually was if neither player bailed from their original deal.

The biggest issue i have with the current roster is we still lack a star player. I would be really excited about the team if Fox, Bagley, Bogi, Buddy, Giles were all complimentary players around a star/all-star level player. Maybe Fox or Bagley become that but the jury's out.

i would have had a totally different feeling about this offseason had the Bulls not matched on Lavine (if the kings were able to sign him and keep bogi and buddy this would have been a home run offseason). His game has warts but he is a young dynamic player who can shoot, and who could develop into something special down the line.

[RIPskaterdude]

I don’t get the hate on the Bjelly pick up. Only 3 yrs guaranteed with a < $7m cap hit. The guy has great length, can actually defend the 3 at a respectable level and hits 3’s at a very high rate. I think he’ll be our starting SF and play a big role. I also think the Yogi pick up will pay off much bigger than people realize. He’s a poor mans Bobby Jackson with the same grit and determination. Kings won’t make the playoffs next year but they’ll be much better than people think. Good on Vlade.

Agreed - I have been hard on this FO - especially last year when the brought in veterans (and now stuck with Randolph and Shumpert) instead of gathering assets. And I wasn't a fan of taking Marvin Bagley in this years draft.

But both Yogi Ferrell and Nemanja Bjelica are good pickups. They are young, improving and their contracts are reasonable and not that long.

The issue isn't these pickups (not bad), the issue is they don't have a well formed plan and have ended up with yet another mismatched roster and no first round picks for next year.

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Fox            Mason       Ferrell      
Hield          Shumpert    McLemore       
Bogdoanovic    Jackson         
Bjelica        Bagley      Labissiere    Randolph     Giles
Cauley-Stein   Koufos      Davis       


Giles as 5th string PF? Uh I hope not. Bjelica wont start at PF

[kingjawn100]

i suspect the depth chart will look something like this come the start of the year...

PG: Fox/Yogi/Frank
SG: Bogi/Buddy/Shumpert
SF: TBD/Jackson
PF: Bagley/Giles/Bjelica/Randolph
C: WCS/Koufos

if he's not moved its pretty safe to say that Willie is our starting center but power forward seems more up for grabs. It could be a Bagley/Harry platoon with Bjelica seeing spot minutes at both 4and 3 to stretch the floor. i could also see ZBo being traded to a contending team as im sure Joerger would have a hard time just benching a guy he's coached for so many years.

[KF10]

I've seen a lot of y'all putting Giles at the 4.

Giles should be playing as C. Not PF.

Giles direct competition are WCS & Koufos. Not Bagley or Z-Bo.

[madskillz8]

Michael Beasley (13,2+5,6+1,7) signed 1 year 3,5 million deal.
Nemanja Bjelica (6,8+4,1+1,3) - 3 year 20,5 million deal.
Vlade is the the best serbian friend, but the worst NBA manager ever.

Terrible comparison. That way of thinking is the reason why Wiggins get 30m/year.

I remember the same criticism for Bogdan. Then most fans realized he's one of our valuable assets.

Not saying he's very tradeable. However he's a very skilled, high IQ basketball player can play multiple positions. Bargain at 6.5/year compared to contracts given for similar players.

You might compare him with a couple of players that took cheap 1 year deals but they are simply waiting/gambling for next year where lots of teams would have cap space.

[Call Me Geoff]

The Kings did a really good job salvaging things with these 2 signings but you've got to wonder what the plan actually was if neither player bailed from their original deal.

The biggest issue i have with the current roster is we still lack a star player. I would be really excited about the team if Fox, Bagley, Bogi, Buddy, Giles were all complimentary players around a star/all-star level player. Maybe Fox or Bagley become that but the jury's out.

i would have had a totally different feeling about this offseason had the Bulls not matched on Lavine (if the kings were able to sign him and keep bogi and buddy this would have been a home run offseason). His game has warts but he is a young dynamic player who can shoot, and who could develop into something special down the line.

I think we might have 2 stars already in Fox and MB III. The Kings have some serious young talent, just need to wait and see it develop. Lavine would have been a HUGE mistake IMO. I like the less expensive vets that fit specific roles, ie Bjelica and Yogi.

[dckingsfan]

I don’t get the hate on the Bjelly pick up. Only 3 yrs guaranteed with a < $7m cap hit. The guy has great length, can actually defend the 3 at a respectable level and hits 3’s at a very high rate. I think he’ll be our starting SF and play a big role. I also think the Yogi pick up will pay off much bigger than people realize. He’s a poor mans Bobby Jackson with the same grit and determination. Kings won’t make the playoffs next year but they’ll be much better than people think. Good on Vlade.

Agreed - I have been hard on this FO - especially last year when the brought in veterans (and now stuck with Randolph and Shumpert) instead of gathering assets. And I wasn't a fan of taking Marvin Bagley in this years draft.

But both Yogi Ferrell and Nemanja Bjelica are good pickups. They are young, improving and their contracts are reasonable and not that long.

The issue isn't these pickups (not bad), the issue is they don't have a well formed plan and have ended up with yet another mismatched roster and no first round picks for next year.

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Fox            Mason       Ferrell      
Hield          Shumpert    McLemore       
Bogdoanovic    Jackson         
Bjelica        Bagley      Labissiere    Randolph     Giles
Cauley-Stein   Koufos      Davis       


Giles as 5th string PF? Uh I hope not. Bjelica wont start at PF

I suspect you are right on both accounts... PF is a puzzle and the way the league is going, one of them may be putting in large doses of time at C. Watching summer league, it is clear that Bagley isn't going to be ready for starter minutes (my opinion) and as someone pointed out, Giles will probably move to C.

And I do think both Bogdoanovic and Hield will start.

But one would think there is still a trade brewing give 8 FC players?

[madskillz8]

Agreed - I have been hard on this FO - especially last year when the brought in veterans (and now stuck with Randolph and Shumpert) instead of gathering assets. And I wasn't a fan of taking Marvin Bagley in this years draft.

But both Yogi Ferrell and Nemanja Bjelica are good pickups. They are young, improving and their contracts are reasonable and not that long.

The issue isn't these pickups (not bad), the issue is they don't have a well formed plan and have ended up with yet another mismatched roster and no first round picks for next year.

Code: Select all

Fox            Mason       Ferrell      
Hield          Shumpert    McLemore       
Bogdoanovic    Jackson         
Bjelica        Bagley      Labissiere    Randolph     Giles
Cauley-Stein   Koufos      Davis       


Giles as 5th string PF? Uh I hope not. Bjelica wont start at PF

I suspect you are right on both accounts... PF is a puzzle and the way the league is going, one of them may be putting in large doses of time at C.

Bjelica had played very effectively at SF while Butler is injured. He has all the skills and basketball iq to be a SF.

[BoogieTime]

Buddy/Bogdan will finally start IMO. Should've happened long ago, but the teams best lineups are with them. They both are deserving. The team can be competitive with them.

Is this Groundhog Day with WCS? Are we going to bet on him being good for another year? Just...

[dckingsfan]

Giles as 5th string PF? Uh I hope not. Bjelica wont start at PF

I suspect you are right on both accounts... PF is a puzzle and the way the league is going, one of them may be putting in large doses of time at C.

Bjelica had played very effectively at SF while Butler is injured. He has all the skills and basketball iq to be a SF.

No disagreement, but he has played the majority of his minutes at PF, right? Are you thinking they will move him to backup SF due to the logjam in the FC?

I think I could make a pretty good argument that he is better than Bagley (at least for this year), Labissiere and certainly Randolph, no?

I might even make an argument that Hield, Bogdoanovic, Bjelica and Cauley-Stein are there 4 best players - so why not let them start? Surrounding Fox & Cauley-Stein with solid 3 point shooters wouldn't be that bad, no?

[madskillz8]

I suspect you are right on both accounts... PF is a puzzle and the way the league is going, one of them may be putting in large doses of time at C.

Bjelica had played very effectively at SF while Butler is injured. He has all the skills and basketball iq to be a SF.

No disagreement, but he has played the majority of his minutes at PF, right? Are you thinking they will move him to backup SF due to the logjam in the FC?

I think I could make a pretty good argument that he is better than Bagley (at least for this year), Labissiere and certainly Randolph, no?

I might even make an argument that Hield, Bogdoanovic, Bjelica and Cauley-Stein are there 4 best players - so why not let them start? Surrounding Fox & Cauley-Stein with solid 3 point shooters wouldn't be that bad, no?

Well, he came to the league because of his talent at PF. That's a fact.

Still, I believe he is more likely a SF in NBA with his skill set. He has an elite tier BB IQ, as a result he can shoot, drive, and pass within any system.

[jazanetti]

I don’t get the hate on the Bjelly pick up. Only 3 yrs guaranteed with a < $7m cap hit. The guy has great length, can actually defend the 3 at a respectable level and hits 3’s at a very high rate. I think he’ll be our starting SF and play a big role. I also think the Yogi pick up will pay off much bigger than people realize. He’s a poor mans Bobby Jackson with the same grit and determination. Kings won’t make the playoffs next year but they’ll be much better than people think. Good on Vlade.

Agreed - I have been hard on this FO - especially last year when the brought in veterans (and now stuck with Randolph and Shumpert) instead of gathering assets. And I wasn't a fan of taking Marvin Bagley in this years draft.

But both Yogi Ferrell and Nemanja Bjelica are good pickups. They are young, improving and their contracts are reasonable and not that long.

The issue isn't these pickups (not bad), the issue is they don't have a well formed plan and have ended up with yet another mismatched roster and no first round picks for next year.

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Fox            Mason       Ferrell      
Hield          Shumpert    McLemore       
Bogdoanovic    Jackson         
Bjelica        Bagley      Labissiere    Randolph     Giles
Cauley-Stein   Koufos      Davis       


Giles as 5th string PF? Uh I hope not. Bjelica wont start at PF

That's another reason why I'm very disappointed about this signing. Bjelica will play big minutes, stolen from Bagley, Giles and Skal.

[LightTheBeam]

Eh the positions are kinda irrelevant. Bjelica will play next to 2 bigs and at times he will shift to the 4 spot.

My main concern is that

Fox/Yogi/buddy/bogdan/bjelica/Bagley/Giles/Skal/WCS should be soaking up the majority of the minutes. I'm okay giving Jackson the chance to start the season, but if he disappears like I expect after 10 games then I'd give his minutes to Shump or just cut him out the rotation completely

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[Sactowndog]

I suspect you are right on both accounts... PF is a puzzle and the way the league is going, one of them may be putting in large doses of time at C.

Bjelica had played very effectively at SF while Butler is injured. He has all the skills and basketball iq to be a SF.

No disagreement, but he has played the majority of his minutes at PF, right? Are you thinking they will move him to backup SF due to the logjam in the FC?

I think I could make a pretty good argument that he is better than Bagley (at least for this year), Labissiere and certainly Randolph, no?

I might even make an argument that Hield, Bogdoanovic, Bjelica and Cauley-Stein are there 4 best players - so why not let them start? Surrounding Fox & Cauley-Stein with solid 3 point shooters wouldn't be that bad, no?

I think Beli on the floor is a plus for Marvin. Bogdan, Beli and Giles are all hi IQ players who can shoot and pass the ball. Having Beli on the floor opens up space for Marvin around the basket. This plus becomes especially true if Giles can pick and pop at the high post and hit the open 3. That leaves Bagley at the rim for the WCS lobs and offensive rebounds.

The issue comes on defense. From comments Vlade has made I think he sees Bagley has a player who can defend bigger wings on the perimeter. He hasn’t shown great instincts but he is also super raw. If he can be a dog on defense that can guard bigger 3’s like Tatum that would be huge.

[Sactowndog]

Eh the positions are kinda irrelevant. Bjelica will play next to 2 bigs and at times he will shift to the 4 spot.

My main concern is that

Fox/Yogi/buddy/bogdan/bjelica/Bagley/Giles/Skal/WCS should be soaking up the majority of the minutes. I'm okay giving Jackson the chance to start the season, but if he disappears like I expect after 10 games then I'd give his minutes to Shump or just cut him out the rotation completely

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I’m not sure Skal is on that list. I see Bjelica as the player you hope Skal could become. A stretch 4 who can play other 4,5’s. I hope Bjelica can mentor Skal like Bogdan mentored Buddy.

[Sactowndog]

Agreed - I have been hard on this FO - especially last year when the brought in veterans (and now stuck with Randolph and Shumpert) instead of gathering assets. And I wasn't a fan of taking Marvin Bagley in this years draft.

But both Yogi Ferrell and Nemanja Bjelica are good pickups. They are young, improving and their contracts are reasonable and not that long.

The issue isn't these pickups (not bad), the issue is they don't have a well formed plan and have ended up with yet another mismatched roster and no first round picks for next year.

Code: Select all

Fox            Mason       Ferrell      
Hield          Shumpert    McLemore       
Bogdoanovic    Jackson         
Bjelica        Bagley      Labissiere    Randolph     Giles
Cauley-Stein   Koufos      Davis       


Giles as 5th string PF? Uh I hope not. Bjelica wont start at PF

That's another reason why I'm very disappointed about this signing. Bjelica will play big minutes, stolen from Bagley, Giles and Skal.

I think he complements Bagley and helps him stay on the floor. Especially if Bagley can play perimeter defense. I’m guessing Bobby Jackson is working on that with him as we speak and why Bobby was made a player development coach.

[Sactowndog]

i suspect the depth chart will look something like this come the start of the year...

PG: Fox/Yogi/Frank
SG: Bogi/Buddy/Shumpert
SF: TBD/Jackson
PF: Bagley/Giles/Bjelica/Randolph
C: WCS/Koufos

if he's not moved its pretty safe to say that Willie is our starting center but power forward seems more up for grabs. It could be a Bagley/Harry platoon with Bjelica seeing spot minutes at both 4and 3 to stretch the floor. i could also see ZBo being traded to a contending team as im sure Joerger would have a hard time just benching a guy he's coached for so many years.

I think there is 5% chance WCS is our starting center. I think Giles has a stranglehold on the job if healthy for the next 15 years.

[dckingsfan]

I think there is 5% chance WCS is our starting center. I think Giles has a stranglehold on the job if healthy for the next 15 years.

You are probably right, but I think it should be 5% chance by the end of the season. I think he starts the season in the second unit?

[dckingsfan]

Eh the positions are kinda irrelevant. Bjelica will play next to 2 bigs and at times he will shift to the 4 spot.

My main concern is that

Fox/Yogi/buddy/bogdan/bjelica/Bagley/Giles/Skal/WCS should be soaking up the majority of the minutes. I'm okay giving Jackson the chance to start the season, but if he disappears like I expect after 10 games then I'd give his minutes to Shump or just cut him out the rotation completely

There you go - now, why on earth did they ever do those FA signings last year - it set us back a year or two.