Zach Lavine: Offered 4/80 from Kings update p26 Bulls Matched

[Hangtime84]

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Gotta say, if a guy says he wants to be a ball hog ISO player, I like the way that Zach says it better than Parker. Vince definitely was trying to lead him down that path. Too bad he didn't go after his defense!

Work hard being the best player you can be and trust your teammates are capable of doing the same. While having the confidence that you made the right play not that you are the one who took that shot.

I don't feel Zach understands how to play winning basketball especially after watching that interview. I do admire he wants to be a HOF, but I don't think he gets how buying in matters. He started off well then fell short of that to me.

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Gotta say, if a guy says he wants to be a ball hog ISO player, I like the way that Zach says it better than Parker. Vince definitely was trying to lead him down that path. Too bad he didn't go after his defense!

Work hard being the best player you can be trust your teammates are capable of doing the same have confidence that you made the right play not that you are the one who took that shot.

I don't feel Zach understands how to play winning basketball especially after watching that interview. I do admire he wants to be a HOF, but i don't think he gets how buying in matters. He started off well then fell short of that to me.

I agree with what you said, and I hate the tone that he and Parker (along with historical play) have exhibited.

To be a little fair to both guys, the wing positions are the predominant scoring positions in the NBA. So they should be our 1st options. They just need to not think they are the best options during every possession.

[Hangtime84]

To be a little fair to both guys, the wing positions are the predominant scoring positions in the NBA. So they should be our 1st options. They just need to not think they are the best options during every possession.

I hope we buy into these 3 things this year
(1) Brad Stevens talks about the ball hitting the paint at least once during every possession.
(2) Steve Kerr's 300 passes talk.
(3) Playbook to strongly feature Lauri.

When watching the WCF last year and comparing it our 3 main scorers this year potentially.
Durant can get his. But Warriors looked better when he was scoring within the system. I think Parker does a great job at that when watching his offensive highly man scores of him moving without the ball or making a cut for a score. Zach when watching his offensive highlight package it's a lot of ISO ball.

[Ice Man]

Just wait until they see our Jabari Parker deal.

How bad can a 1-year deal be?

[WindyCityBorn]

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Gotta say, if a guy says he wants to be a ball hog ISO player, I like the way that Zach says it better than Parker. Vince definitely was trying to lead him down that path. Too bad he didn't go after his defense!

Work hard being the best player you can be trust your teammates are capable of doing the same have confidence that you made the right play not that you are the one who took that shot.

I don't feel Zach understands how to play winning basketball especially after watching that interview. I do admire he wants to be a HOF, but i don't think he gets how buying in matters. He started off well then fell short of that to me.

Your mind was made up long before that interview.

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Gotta say, if a guy says he wants to be a ball hog ISO player, I like the way that Zach says it better than Parker. Vince definitely was trying to lead him down that path. Too bad he didn't go after his defense!

Work hard being the best player you can be trust your teammates are capable of doing the same have confidence that you made the right play not that you are the one who took that shot.

I don't feel Zach understands how to play winning basketball especially after watching that interview. I do admire he wants to be a HOF, but i don't think he gets how buying in matters. He started off well then fell short of that to me.

He looked awful, just had a big trip probably and imo was saying all the wrong things.

My goodness between him and Jabari we are in for some interview highlights this season.

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[CBS7]

I don't mind LaVine or Parker that much, I just really don't want them stunting the offensive development of Lauri. Which is the worst case scenario of these signings. I want Lauri to be the guy.

[Hangtime84]

Your mind was made up long before that interview.

(1) I wanted Zach before the draft
(2) believe Zach is insanely hard worker on improving his individual game

That being said there’s something about Zach how he believes basketball should be played or what a star looks like is unsettling. As I consume more content about Zach it’s been about understanding how to be a better scorer. Once I start hearing some playmaking comments and him stressing about becoming more efficient player. I’m backing off.

But I’m not gonna have blind faith in a guy who talks more about his individual contributions rather than how he can make team successful.

If you look at Boston as the team we chasing after we are going to be more successful unit.

[bad knees]

Still waiting for LaVine to talk about team success as a goal of his. Every time he talks about his goals, he speaks about individual stardom - being an All-Star or being the first option. So glad he is looking forward to competing with Jabari to see who will be the first option offensively. Yeah, that is going to turn out well.


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Still waiting for LaVine to talk about team success as a goal of his. Every time he talks about his goals, he speaks about individual stardom - being an All-Star or being the first option. So glad he is looking forward to competing with Jabari to see who will be the first option offensively. Yeah, that is going to turn out well.


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This is a perfect example of how people can hear what they want to hear and even see what they want to see. In that particular line of questioning, he was being asked questions that pertained to him as an individual. And even then, in that interview, he referenced that everyone should be trying to be their best and if everyone is reaching for that, then it’s ultimately going to be good for the TEAM. I suppose that part got missed in all of the narratives though.

[Hangtime84]

Still waiting for LaVine to talk about team success as a goal of his. Every time he talks about his goals, he speaks about individual stardom - being an All-Star or being the first option. So glad he is looking forward to competing with Jabari to see who will be the first option offensively. Yeah, that is going to turn out well.


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This is a perfect example of how people can hear what they want to hear and even see what they want to see. In that particular line of questioning, he was being asked questions that pertained to him as an individual. And even then, in that interview, he referenced that everyone should be trying to be their best and if everyone is reaching for that, then it’s ultimately going to be good for the TEAM. I suppose that part got missed in all of the narratives though.

I listen to a lot of Zach's offseason talk it's about him mainly. When he talks about team success wants to be in the playoffs. If you listen to Wendell Carter who is younger it's much different feel with same level of confidence.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Still waiting for LaVine to talk about team success as a goal of his. Every time he talks about his goals, he speaks about individual stardom - being an All-Star or being the first option. So glad he is looking forward to competing with Jabari to see who will be the first option offensively. Yeah, that is going to turn out well.


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This is a perfect example of how people can hear what they want to hear and even see what they want to see. In that particular line of questioning, he was being asked questions that pertained to him as an individual. And even then, in that interview, he referenced that everyone should be trying to be their best and if everyone is reaching for that, then it’s ultimately going to be good for the TEAM. I suppose that part got missed in all of the narratives though.

I listen to a lot of Zach's offseason talk it's about him mainly. When he talks about team success wants to be in the playoffs. If you listen to Wendell Carter who is younger it's much different feel with same level of confidence.

But it’s hypocrisy at its ever loving best. It’s okay for us to talk about what he needs to do individually in order to live up to the old fat contract, but when he talks about what he’d like to do on an individual level, he’s not being team oriented, is self-centered and only looking to get his. Nevermind the fact that this is the line of questioning that is being presented to him. If Carter or Lauri give that same answer nobody would bat an eyelash only because they are the new shiny toys that haven’t gotten scuffed up yet.

[Hangtime84]

This is a perfect example of how people can hear what they want to hear and even see what they want to see. In that particular line of questioning, he was being asked questions that pertained to him as an individual. And even then, in that interview, he referenced that everyone should be trying to be their best and if everyone is reaching for that, then it’s ultimately going to be good for the TEAM. I suppose that part got missed in all of the narratives though.

I listen to a lot of Zach's offseason talk it's about him mainly. When he talks about team success wants to be in the playoffs. If you listen to Wendell Carter who is younger it's much different feel with same level of confidence.

But it’s hypocrisy at its ever loving best. It’s okay for us to talk about what he needs to do individually in order to live up to the old fat contract, but when he talks about what he’d like to do on an individual level, he’s not being team oriented, is self-centered and only looking to get his. Nevermind the fact that this is the line of questioning that is being presented to him. If Carter or Lauri give that same answer nobody would bat an eyelash only because they are the new shiny toys that haven’t gotten scuffed up yet.

The way he answers questions and his playstyle is Lavine problem. I don't dislike him as much as others here. But I'm a concern of it. I think many here a same as me as well as my doubts about Fred holding young players accountable. However, I trust Zach's individual work ethic. I have a hesitation when it comes to his ideology about team success.

We will see what kinda of guy he is. I'm lukewarm if anything.

[Betta Bulleavit]

I listen to a lot of Zach's offseason talk it's about him mainly. When he talks about team success wants to be in the playoffs. If you listen to Wendell Carter who is younger it's much different feel with same level of confidence.

But it’s hypocrisy at its ever loving best. It’s okay for us to talk about what he needs to do individually in order to live up to the old fat contract, but when he talks about what he’d like to do on an individual level, he’s not being team oriented, is self-centered and only looking to get his. Nevermind the fact that this is the line of questioning that is being presented to him. If Carter or Lauri give that same answer nobody would bat an eyelash only because they are the new shiny toys that haven’t gotten scuffed up yet.

The way he answers questions and his playstyle is Lavine problem. I don't dislike him as much as others here. But I'm a concern of it. I think many here a same as me as well as my doubts about Fred holding young players accountable. However, I trust Zach's individual work ethic. I have a hesitation when it comes to his ideology about team success.

We will see what kinda of guy he is. I'm lukewarm if anything.

I can appreciate that stance. Although I would note that he hasn’t really been in many winning situations. Now, I do get that he is accountable for at least part of that. But a big part of me wonders if it’s a lack of seeing him in winning situations as opposed to him not being able to contribute to it.

[Hangtime84]

But it’s hypocrisy at its ever loving best. It’s okay for us to talk about what he needs to do individually in order to live up to the old fat contract, but when he talks about what he’d like to do on an individual level, he’s not being team oriented, is self-centered and only looking to get his. Nevermind the fact that this is the line of questioning that is being presented to him. If Carter or Lauri give that same answer nobody would bat an eyelash only because they are the new shiny toys that haven’t gotten scuffed up yet.

The way he answers questions and his playstyle is Lavine problem. I don't dislike him as much as others here. But I'm a concern of it. I think many here a same as me as well as my doubts about Fred holding young players accountable. However, I trust Zach's individual work ethic. I have a hesitation when it comes to his ideology about team success.

We will see what kinda of guy he is. I'm lukewarm if anything.

I can appreciate that stance. Although I would note that he hasn’t really been in many winning situations. Now, I do get that he is accountable for at least part of that. But a big part of me wonders if it’s a lack of seeing him in winning situations as opposed to him not being able to contribute to it.

I can get behind that line of thinking. Losing is frustrating and builds a lot of bad habits. Those T wolves teams before Bulter got there the only guy who understood winning culture was Rubio. There's gonna have to be a lot of removal of bad habits.

I.e basketball sticking and freezing other players out from getting into rhtymn.

[bad knees]

Still waiting for LaVine to talk about team success as a goal of his. Every time he talks about his goals, he speaks about individual stardom - being an All-Star or being the first option. So glad he is looking forward to competing with Jabari to see who will be the first option offensively. Yeah, that is going to turn out well.


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This is a perfect example of how people can hear what they want to hear and even see what they want to see. In that particular line of questioning, he was being asked questions that pertained to him as an individual. And even then, in that interview, he referenced that everyone should be trying to be their best and if everyone is reaching for that, then it’s ultimately going to be good for the TEAM. I suppose that part got missed in all of the narratives though.

A real team leader would have deflected Goodwill’s asinine question about being the first option, and talked about doing what is best for the team. Instead, Zach ate it up and confirmed that being the first option was what he wanted. And the idea that the team will benefit from LaVine and Parker competing about who will be the first option just shows that he has very little idea about what makes a winning team.

He’s full of delusions of grandeur and is very much me first. Both in the way he talks and the way that he plays.


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Gotta say, if a guy says he wants to be a ball hog ISO player, I like the way that Zach says it better than Parker. Vince definitely was trying to lead him down that path. Too bad he didn't go after his defense!

lol. Lavine is so stupid he didn't even understand what Goodwill was trying to ask him.

Goodwill: (paraphrasing) You guys are all young and around the same age..Do you think having too many guys at once who want to be the #1 option can cause a problem?

Lavine: (not paraphrasing- actual quote- some gibberish followed with)...... "I feel like it's gone rise us all up because if we're all trying to be the best that's gotta result in something good"..... (Goodwill politely tries to clarify), Zach: "I didn't put all this time and work in to try to be second fiddle"





God help us.

[johnnyvann840]

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..If Carter or Lauri give that same answer nobody would bat an eyelash only because they are the new shiny toys that haven’t gotten scuffed up yet.

Well, Lauri or Carter would never give that same answer. But if they did, people wouldn't like it anymore than they did Zach saying that.

[Betta Bulleavit]

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..If Carter or Lauri give that same answer nobody would bat an eyelash only because they are the new shiny toys that haven’t gotten scuffed up yet.

Well, Lauri or Carter would never give that same answer. But if they did, people wouldn't like it anymore than they did Zach saying that.

Perhaps we should let them get a little more experience in the league before we start proclaiming what they would and would never say.....

And again, I’ve got a sneaky suspicion that if either of them (especially Laurie) made that comment today, the backlash would be minimal. Like, if he said something like “I feel that I took some great strides offensively last yet and I think that I am ready to be the focal point that this team needs me to be” people would be chanting his name as loud as ever. But WTH do I know??

[Betta Bulleavit]

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Gotta say, if a guy says he wants to be a ball hog ISO player, I like the way that Zach says it better than Parker. Vince definitely was trying to lead him down that path. Too bad he didn't go after his defense!

lol. Lavine is so stupid he didn't even understand what Goodwill was trying to ask him.

Goodwill: (paraphrasing) You guys are all young and around the same age..Do you think having too many guys at once who want to be the #1 option can cause a problem?

Lavine: (not paraphrasing- actual quote- some gibberish followed with)...... "I feel like it's gone rise us all up because if we're all trying to be the best that's gotta result in something good"..... (Goodwill politely tries to clarify), Zach: "I didn't put all this time and work in to try to be second fiddle"





God help us.

Your twist on that exchange is so warped it’s not even funny. You’d find that you could be taken a tad bit more seriously if you didn’t try so hard to drive home a point that we already know. You don’t like Zach. You’d rather he not be on the team. We get it. But he is and no amount propaganda that you pollute the board with is going to change that.