OT: Melo signs with Rockets

Rotten Apple · Post #41 » by **Rotten Apple** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:52 pm

VS the Warriors last year with the Thunder.

105.4 ORTG-88.8 DRTG W
115.6 ORTG-97.9 DRTG W- only played 6 minutes before getting injured.
113.5 ORTG-106.8 DRTG L
77.6 ORTG-117.3 DRTG L

Positive net rating in 2 of 3 games in which he played huge minutes vs the Warriors and this is a Melo who wasn't used properly at all last year outside of the first 6 games of the season when he was mostly paired with Felton. This notion that "who's he gonna guard" is ridiculous.

Ariza for comparison

Regular Season
107.3 ORTG-121.4 DRTG W
104.9 ORTG-116.5 DRTG L

Playoffs
G1- 97.7 ORTG-119.3 DRTG L
G2- 126.9 ORTG-100.2 DRTG W
G3- 95.3 ORTG-130.7 DRTG L
G4- 103.8 ORTG-107.5 DRTG W
G5- 96.8 ORTG-96.2 DRTG W
G6- 92.0 ORTG-115.6 DRTG L
G7- 87.1 ORTG-108.5 DRTG L

Everyone loves ORTG and DRTG until BOOM...this happens.

LakerLegend · Post #42 » by **LakerLegend** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:53 pm

Link? Why do people post stuff like this without providing links if it’s legit.

letsgorockets · Post #43 » by **letsgorockets** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:56 pm

MaxRider wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:I don't mind Melo on the minimum, if acts up or causes any grief, cut him. Not biggie, it's some reward and no risk. My question is if Melo was willing to accept the min, why the **** did we let Moute walk when we have the tax MLE still in hand!? I hope Morey has a move in mind, or that just makes no **** sense.

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because Morey love to use MLE to sign second rounders
seem like he is saving it for Melton and Hartenstein

Those are not satisfactory moves to make up for losing Moute, especially at such a cheap price. I get how Melton fits, but if Morey wants to bring in Hartenstein (he should), then why isn't he dumping some guys? Capela/Nene/Qi/Onuaku are already clogging the center rotation. I very much hope he has some deal brewing we don't know about. I try not to question Morey, but some of these moves reek of new, cheap owner smell.

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TimRobbins · Post #44 » by **TimRobbins** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:57 pm

letsgorockets wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:I don't mind Melo on the minimum, if acts up or causes any grief, cut him. Not biggie, it's some reward and no risk. My question is if Melo was willing to accept the min, why the **** did we let Moute walk when we have the tax MLE still in hand!? I hope Morey has a move in mind, or that just makes no **** sense.

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Melo was bought out. He has no incentive to take more than the minimum.
Maybe so, but that's not the issue. I'm happy Melo took the min. Maybe it's a sign he'll swallow some ego to make this work, at least I hope so. The issue is why the hell didn't we match the Clippers offer? We had the exception sitting there. I get not paying Ariza $15 million, that's crazy money, but Moute for $4-5 million? That's a great deal, and we let him walk.

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I'm not sure you're getting it. Melo taking the minimum is menaingless since every dollar he gets from the Rockets is reduced from his Hawks salary. It will make no difference to his ego.

Regardless, the Rockets couldn't afford Moute or Ariza since they are trying to keep Capela.

MelosSoreWrist · Post #45 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:01 pm

Scalabrine wrote:
MelosSoreWrist wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:Capela/Nene/Anderson
Melo/Anderson/Tucker
Tucker/Melo/Ennis/Green
Harden/Gordon/Green
Paul/Harden/MCW

Still don't see why people would want to bring Melo off the bench in favor of Ryan Anderson or James Ennis. It's not like either of those guys are lockdown defenders... Melo will be better then he was last year with this team. The style of play suits him way more.

In what way does the style of play in Houston fit better with him? I'm asking a genuine question. Melo likes to iso with the ball. Houston's offensive gameplan is having either Harden or Paul with the ball for 20 sec in every possession. Melo would be a spot up 3 point shooter in the corner in this offense. He hated that in DAntoni's offense in NY. Hated that in OKC. Now here he is again.

He wasn't that in D'Antonis offense in NY. What are you talking about?

Also, D'antonis offense is completely different then it was in NY. Now he plays ISO ball and exploits mismatches. That's Melos game right there! OKC wants Russ to get the rebound and push, Melo is more of a half court player. Paul and Harden are also much better passers then Westbrook and George. They look to get guys opportunities way more then Westbrook who only really wants to pass if hes getting an assist.

Specifically in NY under DAntoni the friction was Melo refusing to sit in the corner. That was an issue.

In Houston, Harden or Paul has the ball for every possession. They are the mismatches. Melo isnt.

Spot up Melo is the solution. And that wouldve been the solution in OKC. But he wasnt. He is no longer good enough to iso for numerous possessions in a game. But the problem is that he thinks he is.

Dominator83 · Post #46 » by **Dominator83** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:02 pm

Sorry Rocket fans. You had a great thing going

letsgorockets · Post #47 » by **letsgorockets** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:04 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:
TimRobbins wrote:
Melo was bought out. He has no incentive to take more than the minimum.
Maybe so, but that's not the issue. I'm happy Melo took the min. Maybe it's a sign he'll swallow some ego to make this work, at least I hope so. The issue is why the hell didn't we match the Clippers offer? We had the exception sitting there. I get not paying Ariza $15 million, that's crazy money, but Moute for $4-5 million? That's a great deal, and we let him walk.

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I'm not sure you're getting it. Melo taking the minimum is menaingless since every dollar he gets from the Rockets is reduced from his Hawks salary. It will make no difference to his ego.

Regardless, the Rockets couldn't afford Moute or Ariza since they are trying to keep Capela.

I get that whatever Melo signs just takes from what Atlanta owes, but I didn't thunk his ego would let him be a "minimum guy". Ariza was absolutely a money move, and not a bad one. But you seriously think Morey is gonna sit on that exception, and not use it, regardless of how much Capela comes back for? That exception isn't tied to Capela's salary, it's there no matter how much he pays Capela. Morey will use that exception for something, my question is why it wasn't used on Moute, whose better than anything else he's likely to get now or on the buyout buffet later.

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Ballerhogger · Post #48 » by **Ballerhogger** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:04 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2787416-report-carmelo-anthony-to-sign-24m-contract-with-rockets-after-hawks-buyout.amp.html

Post #49 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:05 pm

He didnt sign yet. But he will. And he's not coming off the bench lol. And I doubt he plays spot up/PnR he gets bored of that and goes back to ISO Melo

MaxRider · Post #50 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:07 pm

letsgorockets wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:I don't mind Melo on the minimum, if acts up or causes any grief, cut him. Not biggie, it's some reward and no risk. My question is if Melo was willing to accept the min, why the **** did we let Moute walk when we have the tax MLE still in hand!? I hope Morey has a move in mind, or that just makes no **** sense.

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because Morey love to use MLE to sign second rounders
seem like he is saving it for Melton and Hartenstein
Those are not satisfactory moves to make up for losing Moute, especially at such a cheap price. I get how Melton fits, but if Morey wants to bring in Hartenstein (he should), then why isn't he dumping some guys? Capela/Nene/Qi/Onuaku are already clogging the center rotation. I very much hope he has some deal brewing we don't know about. I try not to question Morey, but some of these moves reek of new, cheap owner smell.

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Ennis is replacing Luc, not like Luc is doing much in the playoff
Ariza is out of our price range
you should be worry about Capela and not Luc

TimRobbins · Post #51 » by **TimRobbins** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:09 pm

letsgorockets wrote:I get that whatever Melo signs just takes from what Atlanta owes, but I didn't thunk his ego would let him be a "minimum guy". Ariza was absolutely a money move, and not a bad one. But you seriously think Morey is gonna sit on that exception, and not use it, regardless of how much Capela comes back for? That exception isn't tied to Capela's salary, it's there no matter how much he pays Capela. Morey will use that exception for something, my question is why it wasn't used on Moute, whose better than anything else he's likely to get now or on the buyout buffet later.

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Any Capela deal would take Houston into tax territory. I don't think the Rockets will make any additional moves.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #52 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:09 pm

chrisab123 wrote:Sorry Rockets fans.

Yep. Not a fan.

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letsgorockets · Post #53 » by **letsgorockets** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:10 pm

MaxRider wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:
MaxRider wrote:because Morey love to use MLE to sign second rounders
seem like he is saving it for Melton and Hartenstein
Those are not satisfactory moves to make up for losing Moute, especially at such a cheap price. I get how Melton fits, but if Morey wants to bring in Hartenstein (he should), then why isn't he dumping some guys? Capela/Nene/Qi/Onuaku are already clogging the center rotation. I very much hope he has some deal brewing we don't know about. I try not to question Morey, but some of these moves reek of new, cheap owner smell.

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Ennis is replacing Luc, not like Luc is doing much in the playoff
Ariza is out of our price range
you should be worry about Capela and not Luc

Ennis could replace Moute, and Moute could've replaced Ariza for less than Ariza costs. I get letting Ariza go, but not Moute. And I'm not worried about Capela. There's no more cap out there, he'll either take our offer or the the QO. Either way he plays for Houston next year, and if he's gone after that, then so be it.

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MaxRider · Post #54 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:12 pm

MelosSoreWrist wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
MelosSoreWrist wrote:In what way does the style of play in Houston fit better with him? I'm asking a genuine question. Melo likes to iso with the ball. Houston's offensive gameplan is having either Harden or Paul with the ball for 20 sec in every possession. Melo would be a spot up 3 point shooter in the corner in this offense. He hated that in DAntoni's offense in NY. Hated that in OKC. Now here he is again.

He wasn't that in D'Antonis offense in NY. What are you talking about?

Also, D'antonis offense is completely different then it was in NY. Now he plays ISO ball and exploits mismatches. That's Melos game right there! OKC wants Russ to get the rebound and push, Melo is more of a half court player. Paul and Harden are also much better passers then Westbrook and George. They look to get guys opportunities way more then Westbrook who only really wants to pass if hes getting an assist.

Specifically in NY under DAntoni the friction was Melo refusing to sit in the corner. That was an issue.

In Houston, Harden or Paul has the ball for every possession. They are the mismatches. Melo isnt.

Spot up Melo is the solution. And that wouldve been the solution in OKC. But he wasnt. He is no longer good enough to iso for numerous possessions in a game. But the problem is that he thinks he is.

last off-season people predicted Harden/CP3 will not work but Westbrook/PG13/Melo will
because both Harden/CP3 need the ball and there is only one ball (like PG13/Melo don't need the ball)
so now the argument come up again?
Rockets met with Melo before the trade
they must see something Melo can help them
let them figure it out

letsgorockets · Post #55 » by **letsgorockets** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:13 pm

TimRobbins wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:I get that whatever Melo signs just takes from what Atlanta owes, but I didn't thunk his ego would let him be a "minimum guy". Ariza was absolutely a money move, and not a bad one. But you seriously think Morey is gonna sit on that exception, and not use it, regardless of how much Capela comes back for? That exception isn't tied to Capela's salary, it's there no matter how much he pays Capela. Morey will use that exception for something, my question is why it wasn't used on Moute, whose better than anything else he's likely to get now or on the buyout buffet later.

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Any Capela deal would take Houston into tax territory. I don't think the Rockets will make any additional moves.

Doubt that, he'll likely use that exception to sign our 2nd round draft picks. But that's disappointing compared to keeping the team together. Plus it's just as likely Capela takes the QO, meaning we have no tax issues this year.

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MaxRider · Post #56 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:13 pm

letsgorockets wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:Those are not satisfactory moves to make up for losing Moute, especially at such a cheap price. I get how Melton fits, but if Morey wants to bring in Hartenstein (he should), then why isn't he dumping some guys? Capela/Nene/Qi/Onuaku are already clogging the center rotation. I very much hope he has some deal brewing we don't know about. I try not to question Morey, but some of these moves reek of new, cheap owner smell.

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Ennis is replacing Luc, not like Luc is doing much in the playoff
Ariza is out of our price range
you should be worry about Capela and not Luc
Ennis could replace Moute, and Moute could've replaced Ariza for less than Ariza costs. I get letting Ariza go, but not Moute. And I'm not worried about Capela. There's no more cap out there, he'll either take our offer or the the QO. Either way he plays for Houston next year, and if he's gone after that, then so be it.

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i don't trust Luc to replace Ariza
he didn't get a surgery to repair his shoulder
he isn't even confident to make a layup
remember Kings void his contract because his right shoulder failed the physical

letsgorockets · Post #57 » by **letsgorockets** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:17 pm

MaxRider wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:
MaxRider wrote:Ennis is replacing Luc, not like Luc is doing much in the playoff
Ariza is out of our price range
you should be worry about Capela and not Luc
Ennis could replace Moute, and Moute could've replaced Ariza for less than Ariza costs. I get letting Ariza go, but not Moute. And I'm not worried about Capela. There's no more cap out there, he'll either take our offer or the the QO. Either way he plays for Houston next year, and if he's gone after that, then so be it.

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i don't trust Luc to replace Ariza
he didn't get a surgery to repair his shoulder
he isn't even confident to make a layup
remember Kings void his contract because his right shoulder failed the physical

Isn't the Kings this from a while ago tho? I get what you're saying, but he's a better option than anything we're gonna find on the market.

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3toheadmelo · Post #58 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:24 pm

melo will be better this year playing next to a floor general like CP3

MaxRider · Post #59 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:25 pm

letsgorockets wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
letsgorockets wrote:Ennis could replace Moute, and Moute could've replaced Ariza for less than Ariza costs. I get letting Ariza go, but not Moute. And I'm not worried about Capela. There's no more cap out there, he'll either take our offer or the the QO. Either way he plays for Houston next year, and if he's gone after that, then so be it.

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i don't trust Luc to replace Ariza
he didn't get a surgery to repair his shoulder
he isn't even confident to make a layup
remember Kings void his contract because his right shoulder failed the physical
Isn't the Kings this from a while ago tho? I get what you're saying, but he's a better option than anything we're gonna find on the market.

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not after he dislocated his shoulder twice after a dunk in a season

TacoLord · Post #60 » by **TacoLord** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:26 pm

FinallyImHere wrote:What a joke of an offseason, Rockets fans I hope you enjoyed these last two years of playoffs runs.

To think that people actually thought Daryl Morey was better than Danny Ainge.

What are you talking about? Morey just added another trade chip to his arsenal for February. Some team looking to get that #1 pick is gonna be all over this guy in a few months.