OT: Melo signs with Rockets

evilpimp972 · Post #81 » by **evilpimp972** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:52 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:VS the Warriors last year with the Thunder.

105.4 ORTG-88.8 DRTG W
115.6 ORTG-97.9 DRTG W- only played 6 minutes before getting injured.
113.5 ORTG-106.8 DRTG L
77.6 ORTG-117.3 DRTG L

Positive net rating in 2 of 3 games in which he played huge minutes vs the Warriors and this is a Melo who wasn't used properly at all last year outside of the first 6 games of the season when he was mostly paired with Felton. This notion that "who's he gonna guard" is ridiculous.

Ariza for comparison

Regular Season
107.3 ORTG-121.4 DRTG W
104.9 ORTG-116.5 DRTG L

Playoffs
G1- 97.7 ORTG-119.3 DRTG L
G2- 126.9 ORTG-100.2 DRTG W
G3- 95.3 ORTG-130.7 DRTG L
G4- 103.8 ORTG-107.5 DRTG W
G5- 96.8 ORTG-96.2 DRTG W
G6- 92.0 ORTG-115.6 DRTG L
G7- 87.1 ORTG-108.5 DRTG L

Everyone loves ORTG and DRTG until BOOM...this happens.

"Advanced stats show"- RealGM

What are his advanced stats for the whole year?
3 games sample size are meaningless btw

MaxRider · Post #82 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:53 pm

MelosSoreWrist wrote:Plenty of people, in fact it seemed the majority, thought Melo would not mesh well with Westbrook.. both liking to operate with the ball in their hands. And in fact they did not. The supporters of it cited "Olympic Melo," who at this point might not exist anymore.

And there were plenty of supporters who believed Harden and Paul would work. The reasoning was.. instead of having 80% of Rocket possession lead by elite point guard play, you would have 100% of it. Harden and Paul didnt have to fight each other every possession. When both were on the court, one would mostly be a spot up guy while the other operated the offense. Also there was a history in this with Paul allowing Blake Griffin to operate the offense for parts of the game when they were with the Clippers.

There are reasons behind opinions. In the Rockets offense, Melo isos wont be seen as a viable option. And he is a mediocre pick and roll guy. Not quick and athletic enough to be a slasher. Melo's role in the Rockets offense has to be spot up guy. Same role he was suppose to play in OKC.

there are few but majority predicted OKC > Houston

i think Melo will have post up and mid-range in Rockets offense
Rockets really lack that, especially when CP3 went down
it's not perfect, but it's cheap option

Mister Ze · Post #83 » by **Mister Ze** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:56 pm

people complained that OKC wasn’t using Melo properly , well now we’re gonna know for sure when he’s with CP3 Harden and D’Antoni.

His defence will be trash but I guess that’s the trend now. If rockets fans are lucky Melo will take this as a chance to get back into shape for a new contract

gts1 · Post #84 » by **gts1** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:56 pm

is it just me or what but it feels like Morey who was so careful constructing the roster using advanced metrics and really watching the pennies and how they were spent has suddenly abandoned the very system that got the Rockets to where they were last year... not saying it's good bad or whatever... traveled down such a well defined road for so long in one direction and suddenly he's hung a left down a different path

MaxRider · Post #85 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:03 pm

gts1 wrote:is it just me or what but it feels like Morey who was so careful constructing the roster using advanced metrics and really watching the pennies and how they were spent has suddenly abandoned the very system that got the Rockets to where they were last year... not saying it's good bad or whatever... traveled down such a well defined road for so long in one direction and suddenly he's hung a left down a different path

he been trying to get Melo for a long time
he finally get his big 3, well big 2.5

Post #86 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Glad it's not the Warriors. Or we'd be losing our minds.

Tiesto_Lakers · Post #87 » by **Tiesto_Lakers** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:04 pm

Laker fans are happy with this signing and we’re hoping he starts.

whatisacenter · Post #88 » by **whatisacenter** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:06 pm

Great offseason...for the Warriors! For those of you using last regular season’s matchups between okc and GS as a measuring stick for how Melo performed you are wasting your time. Factor in the Warriors approach to the regular season and warriors health in those matchups.

Rotten Apple · Post #89 » by **Rotten Apple** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:12 pm

evilpimp972 wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:VS the Warriors last year with the Thunder.

105.4 ORTG-88.8 DRTG W
115.6 ORTG-97.9 DRTG W- only played 6 minutes before getting injured.
113.5 ORTG-106.8 DRTG L
77.6 ORTG-117.3 DRTG L

Positive net rating in 2 of 3 games in which he played huge minutes vs the Warriors and this is a Melo who wasn't used properly at all last year outside of the first 6 games of the season when he was mostly paired with Felton. This notion that "who's he gonna guard" is ridiculous.

Ariza for comparison

Regular Season
107.3 ORTG-121.4 DRTG W
104.9 ORTG-116.5 DRTG L

Playoffs
G1- 97.7 ORTG-119.3 DRTG L
G2- 126.9 ORTG-100.2 DRTG W
G3- 95.3 ORTG-130.7 DRTG L
G4- 103.8 ORTG-107.5 DRTG W
G5- 96.8 ORTG-96.2 DRTG W
G6- 92.0 ORTG-115.6 DRTG L
G7- 87.1 ORTG-108.5 DRTG L

Everyone loves ORTG and DRTG until BOOM...this happens.

"Advanced stats show"- RealGM

What are his advanced stats for the whole year?
3 games sample size are meaningless btw

Not when the original post is about him vs Golden State.

Sorry you guys were just wrong, it happens.

PhilippineBulls · Post #90 » by **PhilippineBulls** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:13 pm

Average SHOTS per player 2018-2019 season HOU rockets
Harden 30 shots
Melo 29 shots
Paul 20 shots
Eric gordon 7
Capela 5

Rotten Apple · Post #91 » by **Rotten Apple** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:14 pm

Master Ze wrote:people complained that OKC wasn’t using Melo properly , well now we’re gonna know for sure when he’s with CP3 Harden and D’Antoni.

His defence will be trash but I guess that’s the trend now. If rockets fans are lucky Melo will take this as a chance to get back into shape for a new contract

Carmelo Anthony had a better defensive rating than LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry.

Check.

evilpimp972 · Post #92 » by **evilpimp972** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:16 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
evilpimp972 wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
"Advanced stats show"- RealGM

What are his advanced stats for the whole year?
3 games sample size are meaningless btw

Not when the original post is about him vs Golden State.

Sorry you guys were just wrong, it happens.

Anyway he will be unplayable against the warriors just like Anderson was, they will target him like utah did, and yeah, not in the regular season btw.

red96 · Post #93 » by **red96** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:16 pm

Pelon chingon wrote:Hate it for Hou. Things could really go bad.

If things don't go as planned, they could simply cut him. How could things "really go bad"?

jacoby1us · Post #94 » by **jacoby1us** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:17 pm

Yeah I dont understand the Rockets moves this offseason, if Paul does not get injured you win the series against GS point blank. You had the defending champions on the ground with 8 seconds and counting. Why change the 2017-2018 Rockets roster? The signing of Anthony with his bitter history with D'Antoni is perplexing to say the least.

WTH is going on Morey? Anthony is not the Olympics or Nuggets Anthony. He has let it be known that he still believes he should start and be somewhat of a focal point of your offense. How do you do that with Harden and Chris Paul demanding the rock at all times? This will certainly be interesting to say the least.

jacoby1us · Post #95 » by **jacoby1us** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:18 pm

Rotten Apple · Post #96 » by **Rotten Apple** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:20 pm

evilpimp972 wrote:
Rotten Apple wrote:
evilpimp972 wrote:What are his advanced stats for the whole year?
3 games sample size are meaningless btw

Not when the original post is about him vs Golden State.

Sorry you guys were just wrong, it happens.

Anyway he will be unplayable against the warriors just like Anderson was, they will target him like utah did, and yeah, not in the regular season btw.

And he will be fine and on the other end Harden/Paul/Melo will take turns abusing Curry all over the floor.

phraoh · Post #97 » by **phraoh** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:21 pm

Really feel that Melo has a negative effect on teams, sort of like an nba player dating a kardashian. Would rather him not be on my team regardless of the salary.

MaxRider · Post #98 » by **MaxRider** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:24 pm

jacoby1us wrote:Yeah I dont understand the Rockets moves this offseason, if Paul does not get injured you win the series against GS point blank. You had the defending champions on the ground with 8 seconds and counting. The signing of Anthony with his bitter history with D'Antoni is perplexing to say the least.

WTH is going on Morey? Anthony is not the Olympics of Nuggets Anthony. He has let it be known that he still believes he should start and be somewhat of a focal point of your offense. How do you do that with Harden and Chris Paul demanding the rock at all times? This will certainly be interesting to say the least.

are you suggesting Morey overpaying everyone to keep the team together?

CP3: 25M > 35M
Ariza: 8M > 15M
Luc: 2M > 4M
Capela: 2M > 25M

unfortunately you can't keep everyone
he's trying to keep the most important piece first

NBAFan93 · Post #99 » by **NBAFan93** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:25 pm

Rotten Apple wrote:
Master Ze wrote:people complained that OKC wasn’t using Melo properly , well now we’re gonna know for sure when he’s with CP3 Harden and D’Antoni.

His defence will be trash but I guess that’s the trend now. If rockets fans are lucky Melo will take this as a chance to get back into shape for a new contract

Carmelo Anthony had a better defensive rating than LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry.

Check.

His defense last year was nowhere near as bad as the narrative on this board. His main defensive issue was slowness due to age, not effort. He actually showed a ton of effort last year on both sides of the ball - IMO the biggest issue IMO was them wanting/needing him to be an elite scorer and him failing to live up. He had a good scoring game maybe one out of every 6-7 games, which wasn’t going to cut it.

Bruteque · Post #100 » by **Bruteque** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:30 pm

letsgorockets wrote:I don't mind Melo on the minimum, if acts up or causes any grief, cut him. Not biggie, it's some reward and no risk. My question is if Melo was willing to accept the min, why the **** did we let Moute walk when we have the tax MLE still in hand!? I hope Morey has a move in mind, or that just makes no **** sense.

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HOU doesn't have the BAE this year (spent last year on the Tarik Black 2017 experiment), so they need that TP-MLE to tempt their draft picks into signing 3+ year Hinkie specials.

At this point, HOU has their big guns locked up. Now it's all about finding players who will out-perform their contracts. That means taking chances on unproven players who aren't "safe bets" and "known commodities." It wouldn't be smart if they invested playing time to develop players like Melton or Hartenstein and had the investment paid off only to run face-first into the Gilbert Arenas rule and go splat. To offer the likes of Hartenstein or Melton something like double the vet min to tempt them into 3+ year Hinkie specials, HOU needs their TP-MLE.

There is no guarantee that any of them would bite, but HOU couldn't even try if they didn't have their TP-MLE available.