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Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season?

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Will Luke average fifteen points per game in a season?

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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#21 » by vege » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:16 am

Billl wrote:For those voting yes, do you realize that only 11 SG's averaged 15 ppg last year? Do you honestly think he's going to rank that high? ie pushing for a top 10 spot at his position?


This is not correct.

Will Barton - 15.7 ppg
JJ Redick - 17.1 ppg
Gary Harris - 17.5 ppg
Tim Hardaway Jr - 17.5 ppg
Evan Fournier - 17.8 ppg
Eric Gordon - 18.0 ppg
Tyreke Evans - 19.4 ppg
Klay Thompson - 20.0 ppg
Khris Middleton - 20.1 ppg
Donovan Mitchell - 20.5 ppg
CJ McCollum - 21.4 ppg
Jimmy Butler - 22.2 ppg
Bradley Beal - 22.6 ppg
Lou Williams - 22.6 ppg
DeMar DeRozan - 23.0 ppg
Victor Oladipo - 23.1 ppg
Devin Booker - 24.9 ppg

So yes I believe he can be a top 20 SCORER at his position, probably not next season tho.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#22 » by hoophabit » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:45 am

ByeByeDre wrote:Useless information for all of you - no player drafted twelfth this decade has ever averaged fifteen in a season. The last? Gerald Henderson (drafted in 2009)


I voted yes that at some point in his career Kennard will average 15 points for a season. It seems overly specific to look only at players drafted 12? There are plenty of players drafted 12 or lower who have averaged 15 at some point in their careers.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#23 » by Billl » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:32 pm

vege wrote:
Billl wrote:For those voting yes, do you realize that only 11 SG's averaged 15 ppg last year? Do you honestly think he's going to rank that high? ie pushing for a top 10 spot at his position?


This is not correct.

Will Barton - 15.7 ppg
JJ Redick - 17.1 ppg
Gary Harris - 17.5 ppg
Tim Hardaway Jr - 17.5 ppg
Evan Fournier - 17.8 ppg
Eric Gordon - 18.0 ppg
Tyreke Evans - 19.4 ppg
Klay Thompson - 20.0 ppg
Khris Middleton - 20.1 ppg
Donovan Mitchell - 20.5 ppg
CJ McCollum - 21.4 ppg
Jimmy Butler - 22.2 ppg
Bradley Beal - 22.6 ppg
Lou Williams - 22.6 ppg
DeMar DeRozan - 23.0 ppg
Victor Oladipo - 23.1 ppg
Devin Booker - 24.9 ppg

So yes I believe he can be a top 20 SCORER at his position, probably not next season tho.


Those aren't all shooting guards - at least according to espn. If you want to lump wing players together, there are a total of 21 wings (as classified by espn) scoring 15+. Those are split over 2 positions, so you are talking about a top 10-ish slot, not a top 20-ish slot.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#24 » by vege » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:53 pm

Billl wrote: there are a total of 21 wings (as classified by espn) scoring 15+. Those are split over 2 positions,


LoL what? I listed 17, if you want to remove Tyreke Evans to help your argument, fine. If you are talking about Wingers, other than the 16 I listed, who are SG, you still need to add

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Paul George
TJ Warren
Tobias Harris
Harrison Barnes
Danilo Gallinari
Brandon Ingram
Andrew Wiggins

If you want to, once again, be picky to make your argument sound less horrible, you can remove Tobias Harris. That makes 25 not 21, should be 27 but 25 wingers is fine by me.

Will Barton - 15.7 ppg - played mostly SG last season
JJ Redick - 17.1 ppg - played SG his entire career
Gary Harris - 17.5 ppg - playes SG
Tim Hardaway Jr - 17.5 ppg - played mostly SG his entire career, also plays some SF, that doesn't mean he is not a SG.
Evan Fournier - 17.8 ppg - Is a SG who played some SF last season
Eric Gordon - 18.0 ppg - played SG his entire career
Tyreke Evans - 19.4 ppg - played mostly PG last season but he is a SG, if you want to remove him, fine.
Klay Thompson - 20.0 ppg - plays only SG
Khris Middleton - 20.1 ppg - played mostly SF last season but he is a SG
Donovan Mitchell - 20.5 ppg - played mostly SG, he is a combo guard
CJ McCollum - 21.4 ppg - played mostly SG, he is also a combo guard
Jimmy Butler - 22.2 ppg - played mostly SG
Bradley Beal - 22.6 ppg - plays SG
Lou Williams - 22.6 ppg - is a combo guard who plays mostly SG
DeMar DeRozan - 23.0 ppg - was a SG in Toronto, maybe will play SF in SA
Victor Oladipo - 23.1 ppg - played SG his entire career
Devin Booker - 24.9 ppg - played SG his entire career

Just because a guy plays a couple of minutes in another position doesn't make him not a SG. If you want to use that logic, Luke Kennard played a lot of minutes as SF. 16 SGs 25 Wingers scored over 15 PPG last season, not 10ish.
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Post#25 » by Billl » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:01 pm

"25 Wingers scored over 15 PPG last season, not 10ish."

21 divided between 2 positions is top 10-ish at your position. Not sure what is confusing about that.

I think the difference in your list is the guys who didn't play enough games to qualify for rankings.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#26 » by vege » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:43 pm

Billl wrote:"25 Wingers scored over 15 PPG last season, not 10ish."

21 divided between 2 positions is top 10-ish at your position. Not sure what is confusing about that.

I think the difference in your list is the guys who didn't play enough games to qualify for rankings.


What? All of them played enough games and minutes.

The only confusion is, you're trying to make a point, and your point isn't true (15 PPG is not an elite SG statistic), so you're using flawed logic to back it up. It's not important, so whatever.

16-17 guys who play the same position as Luke's natural position (Shooting Guard) scored over 15+ PPG, so Luke would have to turn into an average starting scoring SG to reach 15 PPG and honestly, I think he showed in a limited role he can be an elite scorer in the league as he develop, what worries us more is the other side of the floor, can he turn into an average defensive SG?
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Post#27 » by Drwho17 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:53 pm

If Kennard gets the minutes next year he will average over 15 ppg., scoring I don't envision will be his problem, playing enough defense to stay on the floor to get minutes will be his issue.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#28 » by tmorgan » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:19 pm

Not this year, I imagine, but in the future? Almost certainly if he stays healthy. Elite shooter, defense will get somewhat better with experience. He'll be a starter -- maybe on a bad team -- in the near future. Starting shooting guards average 15 ppg all over the place.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#29 » by Snakebites » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:34 pm

Honestly, when projecting stats why worry about how they'd compare to other players. Either he can get there or he can't.

The question is can he be consistent enough and will his defense be passable enough to justify playing him enough to get that. He certainly has the skill set.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#30 » by zeebneeb » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:23 pm

Easily. All you have to do is look at his FG%, his 3P% and his FT% and go from there. Luke is one of the better shooters in the league, and hes not a stand still type of guy either. He has legitimate moves to the basket. He is going to get a ton of looks because the pistons have two dominate big men down on the block that demand attention.

To me the question should be;

"Is it even possible for Kennard not to average at least 15ppg if hes given the playtime?"

This is a no brainer.

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I'll go on record right now. If Kennard gets 30mpg starting or off the bench he will average at least 16ppg.

Any takers on a bet?
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Post#31 » by ByeByeDre » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:40 am

zeebneeb wrote:
I'll go on record right now. If Kennard gets 30mpg starting or off the bench he will average at least 16ppg.

Any takers on a bet?


Can't take bets with someone that starts his bet with "If"

Now if you want to bet that he'll average 16 next year, I'll take the under.
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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#32 » by zeebneeb » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:09 am

ByeByeDre wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:
I'll go on record right now. If Kennard gets 30mpg starting or off the bench he will average at least 16ppg.

Any takers on a bet?


Can't take bets with someone that starts his bet with "If"

Now if you want to bet that he'll average 16 next year, I'll take the under.
Well those are the rules. If he gets the playing time. Anything under 30mpg and I'm just asking to get burned.

Hes to good offensively to not produce.

New coach has talked him up so I'm pretty confident.
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Post#33 » by buzzkilloton » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:42 am

He would have to be the starting SG over Bullock. Bullock averaged 11.5 last season and that was with Blake not on the team all year and missing time late in the season. Jackson also missed alot of time. Hes capable of it but hes going to have to get the looks. Drummond/Jackson/Blake will all be taking alot of shots before he gets his.
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Post#34 » by ByeByeDre » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:15 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
ByeByeDre wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:
I'll go on record right now. If Kennard gets 30mpg starting or off the bench he will average at least 16ppg.

Any takers on a bet?


Can't take bets with someone that starts his bet with "If"

Now if you want to bet that he'll average 16 next year, I'll take the under.
Well those are the rules. If he gets the playing time. Anything under 30mpg and I'm just asking to get burned.

Hes to good offensively to not produce.

New coach has talked him up so I'm pretty confident.


Not confident enough to make the bet without qualifiers, though.........
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Post#35 » by Billl » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:43 pm

The only way Luke gets enough touches to score 15 ppg next year is if both blake and RJ go down for the season at about the 2 game mark.

And realistically, the only guys on the team likely to play 30+ mpg are dre and blake. Casey has been known for playing a pretty deep bench.
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Post#36 » by bstein14 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:43 pm

He is efficient enough of a scorer that he should get 14 to 16 ppg next year if he gets the minutes. He's got to defend good enough to stay on the court long enough to get those attempts though. Him and Bullock both need more attempts next season.

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Post#37 » by sludgefoot » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:57 pm

ByeByeDre wrote:So some on this board are hesitant to trade Luke because he's our best young asset, or something like that. Very simple question - will he ever average 15 points in a season?
Take it to the bank. An easy call.

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Post#38 » by sludgefoot » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:58 pm

Billl wrote:For those voting yes, do you realize that only 11 SG's averaged 15 ppg last year? Do you honestly think he's going to rank that high? ie pushing for a top 10 spot at his position?
Yes!

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Re: Will Luke Kennard ever average 15 points per game in a season? 

Post#39 » by Uncle Mxy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:09 pm

ByeByeDre wrote:Useless information for all of you - no player drafted twelfth this decade has ever averaged fifteen in a season. The last? Gerald Henderson (drafted in 2009)

How much ya wanna bet thnt Taurean Prince or Dario Saric average 15+ ppg this season?

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