2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[lilfishi22]

That would be the only way the Cavs would do it as they need some incentive besides minor $$ saving because I think they plan on having Hill mentor Sexton. A young player with some potential is what the Cavs would demand I think. They would probably pick up the player option for either one as well to give them more time to evaluate the player and see if a change of scenery will do them any good.

I also believe they will try and make another run this season so they will need depth at the PG position. I'm not sure Daniels/Chandler helps their cause in anyway. As over the hill (pun intended) he might, Hill is probably still a more useful player than either Chandler or Daniels.

But if not Daniels then it needs to be Chriss or Bender. Not a fan of Chriss but I'm not sure it's a wise use of either assets for one year of Hill. Rather wait til the trade deadline to see what we can get via buyouts/trades etc.

Won’t it be one year of Chriss or Bender as well though since it’s highly unlikely that the Suns pick up team options for both players?

Tough to say but I'm leaning towards not giving one of them the team option. Maybe you're right in terms of value in this trade. If we had to move one, I'd move Chriss first because I think Chriss and Ayton aren't the best fit

[Waylay13]

Do you really think that there is any chance the Suns look like a contender? Realistically I have them pegged out 38 wins with a good showing form Knight and good production from Ayton (15 and 10) but to make the playoffs in the west? No way in heck and any real effort to make the playoffs next year will impact them years down the line. Trying to trade for win now will hurt them in 4 or 5 years when the core is in their prime.

Even if we wildly exceed my expectations I can't see any reasonable way that we would be considered a contender by next summer. I'll be happy to be wrong though.

I'm not sure if you are saying you expect a good showing from Knight or that IF we get a good showing from Knight you expect 38 wins.

I hope he's better with Kokoskov, but it's hard to expect much.

I don't think anyone would have chosen him to start over Bledsoe when Bledsoe was here, and that was obviously before his injury, and I don't think many would want Bledsoe back as our PG even if he wanted to come back on a reasonable deal.

It will be interesting to see if he can really transform his game with some new coaching. I hope so.

I think that Knight is going to average 16 and 6 assist this season.

[lilfishi22]

There's no way we can get good enough, even over-performing, to sway these superstar level FA's to join us. These guys aren't taking chances on a rebuild project like us. Even if we get better faster than most think, I think we're still at least 2 seasons away from being a mid-tier playoff team and that's with *everything* firing on all cylinders and all our players playing above expectations.

[SwingMan1938]

I would be willing to throw all the cap space the Suns have next summer at Malcolm Brogdon next summer on the first day of Free Agency itself. Basically Arizaing him.

Not because I think Brogdon the player is necessarily worth it but because I think the fit with Booker and the rest of the Suns players is worth it. I remember last season I went through all the PGs in the league for all 30 teams and Brogdon was the one that I thought would best fit next to Booker.

Solid choice and I'm down with it if the Bucks will let him go - Bledsoe severely hurt his progress, IMO.

Brogdon's a reasonable distributor, more than capable 3-point shooter and a good defender with size at the 1. Not so sure on his up-tempo game, but he's a solid facilitator with a career 2.6-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio. We'll have to see what the Bucks think about going with Bledsoe moving forward - as Suns fans, we know that Brogdon beats hell out of Bledsoe every time, but Bucks brass aren't Suns fans, so.....

Not sure about Bucks brass but their fans love him there and seem confident that Bucks will match any offer he gets. Many of their fans prefer him over Bledsoe.

And with good reason - Brogdon is a bright young point guard who can be a foundation piece for years to come while Bledsoe has been an overall slack-ass since he signed his new deal in 2014. Plus, Bledsoe is coming off the books next year anyways, so they can afford to wait out the next year.

If we were to get Brogdon, yeah - we'd likely have to overpay/overbid enough that the Bucks wouldn't match.....

[bwgood77]

Do you really think that there is any chance the Suns look like a contender? Realistically I have them pegged out 38 wins with a good showing form Knight and good production from Ayton (15 and 10) but to make the playoffs in the west? No way in heck and any real effort to make the playoffs next year will impact them years down the line. Trying to trade for win now will hurt them in 4 or 5 years when the core is in their prime.

Even if we wildly exceed my expectations I can't see any reasonable way that we would be considered a contender by next summer. I'll be happy to be wrong though.

I'm not sure if you are saying you expect a good showing from Knight or that IF we get a good showing from Knight you expect 38 wins.

I hope he's better with Kokoskov, but it's hard to expect much.

I don't think anyone would have chosen him to start over Bledsoe when Bledsoe was here, and that was obviously before his injury, and I don't think many would want Bledsoe back as our PG even if he wanted to come back on a reasonable deal.

It will be interesting to see if he can really transform his game with some new coaching. I hope so.

I think that Knight is going to average 16 and 6 assist this season.

I hope he doesn't score that much unless he can get his TS% up to around his second half year in Milwaukee. Outside of those 52 games he has never had a year really above 52%.

And as long as the assists come without the 4 turnovers that would be good. If he can be at least a 2-1 ratio there I guess it would be ok for him. He's never had a year with a 2-1 ast/to ratio.

[Wilber85]

Even if we wildly exceed my expectations I can't see any reasonable way that we would be considered a contender by next summer. I'll be happy to be wrong though.

I'm not sure if you are saying you expect a good showing from Knight or that IF we get a good showing from Knight you expect 38 wins.

I hope he's better with Kokoskov, but it's hard to expect much.

I don't think anyone would have chosen him to start over Bledsoe when Bledsoe was here, and that was obviously before his injury, and I don't think many would want Bledsoe back as our PG even if he wanted to come back on a reasonable deal.

It will be interesting to see if he can really transform his game with some new coaching. I hope so.

I think that Knight is going to average 16 and 6 assist this season.

I hope he doesn't score that much unless he can get his TS% up to around his second half year in Milwaukee. Outside of those 52 games he has never had a year really above 52%.

And as long as the assists come without the 4 turnovers that would be good. If he can be at least a 2-1 ratio there I guess it would be ok for him. He's never had a year with a 2-1 ast/to ratio.

No matter who we have , Suns fans will talk crap!

I hope Knight avg 15/8 and less than 3 turnovers a game! I hope he shines ! I believe in him, and hope he comes out strong with hustle!

[Qwigglez]

Could we look at Tobias Harris as a potential free agent if Bender/Chriss don't progress this season as well as we hope? He could fit in seamlessly at the 4 spot. If not him than I'd prefer we look at PG's in free agency.

[jcsunsfan]

I think that Knight is going to average 16 and 6 assist this season.

I hope he doesn't score that much unless he can get his TS% up to around his second half year in Milwaukee. Outside of those 52 games he has never had a year really above 52%.

And as long as the assists come without the 4 turnovers that would be good. If he can be at least a 2-1 ratio there I guess it would be ok for him. He's never had a year with a 2-1 ast/to ratio.

No matter who we have , Suns fans will talk crap!

I hope Knight avg 15/8 and less than 3 turnovers a game! I hope he shines ! I believe in him, and hope he comes out strong with hustle!

We would all be thrilled with 15/8 from Knight.


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[sunsbum]

Is there anything worse we could do besides giving 2 19 y/os an off season with **** earl watson? No. Literally, there is nothing worse. Everyone calm TF down.

[Moochthemonkey]

Is there anything worse we could do besides giving 2 19 y/os an off season with **** earl watson? No. Literally, there is nothing worse. Everyone calm TF down.

[BobbieL]

Is there anything worse we could do besides giving 2 19 y/os an off season with **** earl watson? No. Literally, there is nothing worse. Everyone calm TF down.

Earl also hindered the development of Booker, Warren and possibly Len. But the last one may be debateable.

Earl was the right coach for tanking/ Now maybe someday Earl Watson will be a good coach - but he was just not the right guy at that time.

[rcc8884]

If the lakers were to propose 2 First Round Picks and Deng for Chandler and Daniels, would you pull the trigger?


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[Waylay13]

If the lakers were to propose 2 First Round Picks and Deng for Chandler and Daniels, would you pull the trigger?


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I would say $%##% the Lakers. first of all the late first round picks are really not that valuable and I really am not in the mood to help the Lakers.

[BobbieL]

If the lakers were to propose 2 First Round Picks and Deng for Chandler and Daniels, would you pull the trigger?


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I would say $%##% the Lakers. first of all the late first round picks are really not that valuable and I really am not in the mood to help the Lakers.

The problem with this trade is that the Suns could easily stretch Deng - but would lose like 6m of cap space for three years. Two picks in the late teens to 20's are not worth that. The Lakers would have to include a real asset like Kyle Kuzma over a draft pick. And I probably still wouldn't do it. The Lakers can just stretch Deng themselves next summer.

I just don't like it - if the Suns wanted to become part of a three way deal say with the Cavs for Love -- and something like the following happens - might be more amenable

Lakers: Daniels Chandler
CAvs: Warren, Deng, picks from the Lakers
Suns: Love

but I just think taking Deng is bad news for next summer. Suns can easily have 12m to mid 20's of cap space depending on Chriss, Bender, the draft pick, etc.

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If the lakers were to propose 2 First Round Picks and Deng for Chandler and Daniels, would you pull the trigger?


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I would say $%##% the Lakers. first of all the late first round picks are really not that valuable and I really am not in the mood to help the Lakers.

The problem with this trade is that the Suns could easily stretch Deng - but would lose like 6m of cap space for three years. Two picks in the late teens to 20's are not worth that. The Lakers would have to include a real asset like Kyle Kuzma over a draft pick. And I probably still wouldn't do it. The Lakers can just stretch Deng themselves next summer.

I just don't like it - if the Suns wanted to become part of a three way deal say with the Cavs for Love -- and something like the following happens - might be more amenable

Lakers: Daniels Chandler
CAvs: Warren, Deng, picks from the Lakers
Suns: Love

but I just think taking Deng is bad news for next summer. Suns can easily have 12m to mid 20's of cap space depending on Chriss, Bender, the draft pick, etc.

If they offered Kuzma or were willing to swap Ingram for Jackson in that deal (along with the picks) as well then I’d consider it.

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never really got an answer but was told he was a problem

[BobbieL]

I would say $%##% the Lakers. first of all the late first round picks are really not that valuable and I really am not in the mood to help the Lakers.

The problem with this trade is that the Suns could easily stretch Deng - but would lose like 6m of cap space for three years. Two picks in the late teens to 20's are not worth that. The Lakers would have to include a real asset like Kyle Kuzma over a draft pick. And I probably still wouldn't do it. The Lakers can just stretch Deng themselves next summer.

I just don't like it - if the Suns wanted to become part of a three way deal say with the Cavs for Love -- and something like the following happens - might be more amenable

Lakers: Daniels Chandler
CAvs: Warren, Deng, picks from the Lakers
Suns: Love

but I just think taking Deng is bad news for next summer. Suns can easily have 12m to mid 20's of cap space depending on Chriss, Bender, the draft pick, etc.

If they offered Kuzma or were willing to swap Ingram for Jackson in that deal (along with the picks) as well then I’d consider it.

The one thing you will have if you were to do this deal - plenty of draft picks to do what GSW did to get Iguodala. Meaning, taking the two picks with Deng. And being able to attach them next summer to a team that wants picks . So, for that reason, it might make some sense.

[King4Day]

Dunno if this was discussed

https://valleyofthesuns.com/2018/07/23/suns-should-go-for-porzingis/

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Dunno if this was discussed

https://valleyofthesuns.com/2018/07/23/suns-should-go-for-porzingis/

NY would want the stars and the moon for him. Not sure it’s realistic at all.