OT: Melo signs with Rockets

[ThunderBolt]

how does OKC look if Melo balls out with Hou?

The same way the lakers will look if Mozgov and Deng make the allstar game next year.

....sure buddy great analogy ...i can already picture your fan base hella salty if melo ever lights up okc

Speaking of salty, rememberer that time Paul George didn’t sign with the lakers?

[NoZoLakers]

The same way the lakers will look if Mozgov and Deng make the allstar game next year.

....sure buddy great analogy ...i can already picture your fan base hella salty if melo ever lights up okc

Speaking of salty, rememberer that time Paul George didn’t sign with the lakers?

true, i guess pg bball iq told him getting worked in the 1st rd by a lower seeded Utah jazz team=Contenders

[Ganji]

Oh my god these All-stars signing for minimum to play for super teams, it's outrageous!
Let's get our pitchforks and torches out!

[CodeBreaker]

CP3 wants Melo on his team so they don't care if you guys don't want him lol

[ThunderBolt]

....sure buddy great analogy ...i can already picture your fan base hella salty if melo ever lights up okc

Speaking of salty, rememberer that time Paul George didn’t sign with the lakers?

true, i guess pg bball iq told him getting worked in the 1st rd by a lower seeded Utah jazz team=Contenders

Better than joining a team that didn’t make the playoffs, so yeah.

[NoZoLakers]

Speaking of salty, rememberer that time Paul George didn’t sign with the lakers?

true, i guess pg bball iq told him getting worked in the 1st rd by a lower seeded Utah jazz team=Contenders

Better than joining a team that didn’t make the playoffs, so yeah.

didnt make playoffs but signed james, a good crop of youths and dont have luxury tax concerns ...pg will feel the sell off soon when ownership keeps getting high tax bills for 1st rd exits

[Pointgod]

Congrats Rockets on your first round exit.

[lebron stopper]

Congrats Rockets on your first round exit.

If the Spurs match up with them in the first round, watch out. Popovich always seems to have D'Antoni's number. https://www.sbnation.com/2017/5/12/15630128/gregg-popovich-mike-dantoni-playoff-history-record-spurs-rockets-suns-lakers

[goodboy]

Glad Heat didnt pull the trigger

[Bruteque]

Part of it will be used on De'Anthony Melton so that we can lock him up for three years and have him be restricted/team option for a fourth year. The rest will be used on a buyout player during the season.

tax payer MLE max offer is 3 years

Whatever it is, he'll be restricted if we take the money from the MLE, if I understand correctly. I get my cap info second hand. I don't actually read that stuff.

Strictly speaking, HOU is not above the apron just yet. By my count, Morey has positioned his money very carefully to have just enough room left below the apron (confirmed to be $129.8m for 2018-2019) after CP3's first-year salary, Gerald Green, MCW, James Ennis, Melo, and Capela QO to be under with barely a couple mils to spare. They knew last year that they would almost certainly exceed or be right at the apron and will not have access to their BAE for the foreseeable future, which was probably why they threw it at Tarik Black. They almost certainly planned all of this out and have run all the numbers and scenarios by CP3 in getting CP3 to accept his starting salary figure.

If Capela takes the QO and they stay below the apron, then HOU will be able to offer their 2nd rounders 4-year deals. It remains a possibility, but a remote one. Doing so will hard-cap them and 3 years is the maximum years of experience for a non-1st-rounder to become a RFA. A 3+1 team option lets the team choose whether to get a 4th year cheap before the player becomes a UFA or declining the 4th year to make the player a RFA, but that's generally not a big enough gain to hard-cap the team over. Incidentally, Zhou Qi's agent asked for a full 4-year deal so Zhou will become a UFA at the end of his rookie deal, supposedly at the cost of his final three years being unguaranteed.

They will remain RFAs whether they sign for 1, 2, or 3 years. The significance of 3 years, beyond having the player for longer, is that it gives HOU full Bird rights on the players if they turned out to be keepers as RFAs. Without the Bird exception, teams can easily offer those RFAs bigger contracts than HOU can match using other exceptions, effectively denying HOU the option to match. The minimum player salary exception only allows up to 2 years contract. They need to use part of the MLE for 3+ and Bird rights at the conclusion of the deals.

[QPR]

how does OKC look if Melo balls out with Hou?

The same way the lakers will look if Mozgov and Deng make the allstar game next year.

....sure buddy great analogy ...i can already picture your fan base hella salty if melo ever lights up okc

If he balls out with Houston then that doesn't suddenly rewrite history with OKC, where he was given a much bigger role than his play deserved.

He is clearly accepting a role that he wasn't prepared to accept with the Thunder, and with it will come with much less pressure. So it wouldn't surprise me if he contributes off the bench.

[Rocketsbaby]

Serious question.

What year was Carmelo Anthony considered an actual net potive on the court?

2012-2013 Melo was a net positive player. He played the 4 a decent amount (despite getting D'Antoni fired the year before over the same subject). His crappy defense and utter ability to ever run back on defense, or just run period didn't matter as much because Chandler was a pretty good defender. The offense was mostly ISO Melo. He did have some good shooters around him and a pick and roll lob threat C playing next to him, who was also a good offensive rebounder to pick up some of his patented come down and chuck a 3 for no reason possessions. Melo could also still finish then, or even on a miss quickly get his bricked layup bully ball style and put it back.

After that year and the Hibbert block his effort went from 30% to 5%. At not point after that has contributed to winning NBA basketball.

He had a positive RAPM last year of about 0.6
1.4 offense
-0.8 defense

For the money this was still a good signing. CP3 and Harden will get him involved in the offense. Westbrook never did much of that. That said, Carmelo has to find his perimeter shot and he has to stop playing like such a doofus off the ball. All that moping around and not even making it into the frame on offensive possessions has to go.

But the reality is he was a better player than Trevor Ariza last year.


Man things have really come full circle when I'm the one defending Melo. He's actually become underrated at this point in his career. It's like the fans have never been able to correctly assess him his entire career.

[NoZoLakers]

The same way the lakers will look if Mozgov and Deng make the allstar game next year.

....sure buddy great analogy ...i can already picture your fan base hella salty if melo ever lights up okc

If he balls out with Houston then that doesn't suddenly rewrite history with OKC, where he was given a much bigger role than his play deserved.

He is clearly accepting a role that he wasn't prepared to accept with the Thunder, and with it will come with much less pressure. So it wouldn't surprise me if he contributes off the bench.

Are we sure hes coming off the bench?

[Rocketsbaby]

If Melo comes in as a humbled player after getting shipped to Atlanta and then waived,
then Houston has a useful bench player and he can help.

If Melo comes in thinking he is a difference makers and wanting starter minutes,
then Houston will be much, much worse.

I see them taking a drop with this signing.

Tier 1:
GSW

Tier 2:
Houston
Lakers
OKC
SAS
Utah

Tier 3:
Portland
Minn
NO
Denver

Darkhorse:
Dallas

I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.

No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.

You could take James Harden or Chris Paul off the team and we'd still make the playoffs....

[Bruteque]

I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.

No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.

You could take James Harden or Chris Paul off the team and we'd still make the playoffs....

It's like people forget that HOU won 55 with Harden, Gordon, and Anderson as their three leading scores for most of a season before CP3 even joined the party.

Now they think there is a significant chance for SEVEN teams with 49 or fewer wins last year to overtake a 65-win team simply because they replaced Ariza and half a regular season of "good" Mbah a Moute with Melo, Ennis, MCW, Melton, Hartenstein. Etc. Yeah, one is a 35-win team that added LeBron, but c'mon. We are talking about a 65-win team they are expecting all these sub-50 teams to overtake.

All I can say is that the Suns are obviously underpaying Ariza by about $20m a year.

[MaxRider]

Strictly speaking, HOU is not above the apron just yet. By my count, Morey has positioned his money very carefully to have just enough room left below the apron (confirmed to be $129.8m for 2018-2019) after CP3's first-year salary, Gerald Green, MCW, James Ennis, Melo, and Capela QO to be under with barely a couple mils to spare. They knew last year that they would almost certainly exceed or be right at the apron and will not have access to their BAE for the foreseeable future, which was probably why they threw it at Tarik Black. They almost certainly planned all of this out and have run all the numbers and scenarios by CP3 in getting CP3 to accept his starting salary figure.

If Capela takes the QO and they stay below the apron, then HOU will be able to offer their 2nd rounders 4-year deals. It remains a possibility, but a remote one. Doing so will hard-cap them and 3 years is the maximum years of experience for a non-1st-rounder to become a RFA. A 3+1 team option lets the team choose whether to get a 4th year cheap before the player becomes a UFA or declining the 4th year to make the player a RFA, but that's generally not a big enough gain to hard-cap the team over. Incidentally, Zhou Qi's agent asked for a full 4-year deal so Zhou will become a UFA at the end of his rookie deal, supposedly at the cost of his final three years being unguaranteed.

They will remain RFAs whether they sign for 1, 2, or 3 years. The significance of 3 years, beyond having the player for longer, is that it gives HOU full Bird rights on the players if they turned out to be keepers as RFAs. Without the Bird exception, teams can easily offer those RFAs bigger contracts than HOU can match using other exceptions, effectively denying HOU the option to match. The minimum player salary exception only allows up to 2 years contract. They need to use part of the MLE for 3+ and Bird rights at the conclusion of the deals.

i think they are
aren't those players waived still count against the cap?
i don't think they renounce Black right, that's ~$4M cap hold

edit
here is the look
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/cap/

[TheBabyMaker]

Well they went (Houston) 1 for 30 from 3 in a game when it mattered. Guess Melo will break the record and they go for 1 for 50 from 3 in a meaningful game next year playoffs.

[TheBabyMaker]

I can't see any difference between tier 2 and tier 3. It's a total wash 2 - 10. Any one of those team could miss the playoffs.

With Melo instead of defense, I think the Rockets are just as vulnerable as anyone in tier 2 and 3, and just as capable at getting the 2 spot, too.

No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.

You could take James Harden or Chris Paul off the team and we'd still make the playoffs....

Yeah if your team was in the East.

[Bruteque]

Strictly speaking, HOU is not above the apron just yet. By my count, Morey has positioned his money very carefully to have just enough room left below the apron (confirmed to be $129.8m for 2018-2019) after CP3's first-year salary, Gerald Green, MCW, James Ennis, Melo, and Capela QO to be under with barely a couple mils to spare. They knew last year that they would almost certainly exceed or be right at the apron and will not have access to their BAE for the foreseeable future, which was probably why they threw it at Tarik Black. They almost certainly planned all of this out and have run all the numbers and scenarios by CP3 in getting CP3 to accept his starting salary figure.

If Capela takes the QO and they stay below the apron, then HOU will be able to offer their 2nd rounders 4-year deals. It remains a possibility, but a remote one. Doing so will hard-cap them and 3 years is the maximum years of experience for a non-1st-rounder to become a RFA. A 3+1 team option lets the team choose whether to get a 4th year cheap before the player becomes a UFA or declining the 4th year to make the player a RFA, but that's generally not a big enough gain to hard-cap the team over. Incidentally, Zhou Qi's agent asked for a full 4-year deal so Zhou will become a UFA at the end of his rookie deal, supposedly at the cost of his final three years being unguaranteed.

They will remain RFAs whether they sign for 1, 2, or 3 years. The significance of 3 years, beyond having the player for longer, is that it gives HOU full Bird rights on the players if they turned out to be keepers as RFAs. Without the Bird exception, teams can easily offer those RFAs bigger contracts than HOU can match using other exceptions, effectively denying HOU the option to match. The minimum player salary exception only allows up to 2 years contract. They need to use part of the MLE for 3+ and Bird rights at the conclusion of the deals.

i think they are
aren't those players waived still count against the cap?
i don't think they renounce Black right, that's ~$4M cap hold

edit
here is the look
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/cap/

Cap holds for FAs don't count (Capela's QO counts, though). The only waived player still counting against their cap is Troy Williams, which is almost nothing.

[gmoney411]

....sure buddy great analogy ...i can already picture your fan base hella salty if melo ever lights up okc

If he balls out with Houston then that doesn't suddenly rewrite history with OKC, where he was given a much bigger role than his play deserved.

He is clearly accepting a role that he wasn't prepared to accept with the Thunder, and with it will come with much less pressure. So it wouldn't surprise me if he contributes off the bench.

Are we sure hes coming off the bench?

I doubt he comes off the bench with the current roster. Him and Tucker is fine at 3/4 to start games.