Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized

[76thBearCub]

this summer, No. 1 was just low-post dominance,” Hanlen said. “Obviously he was really good in the mid-post last season, but when you look at the game where he had like 46 points, the Lakers game, and the game before when I think he had [32] against the Clippers, he was a bully down low. Our first thing is just becoming a bully on the block.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/trainer-drew-hanlen-details-offseason-workouts-sixers-markelle-fultz-joel-embiid

This, this, and more of this. If he's going to approach his MVP level potential, this is where its at imo.

[ivysixer2000]

this summer, No. 1 was just low-post dominance,” Hanlen said. “Obviously he was really good in the mid-post last season, but when you look at the game where he had like 46 points, the Lakers game, and the game before when I think he had [32] against the Clippers, he was a bully down low. Our first thing is just becoming a bully on the block.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/trainer-drew-hanlen-details-offseason-workouts-sixers-markelle-fultz-joel-embiid

This, this, and more of this. If he's going to approach his MVP level potential, this is where its at imo.

Can't be a bully if your getting you shot blocked at the rim like we saw on several occasions.

Jojo really has to continue to work on his lower body big time.

[76thBearCub]

Can't be a bully if your getting you shot blocked at the rim like we saw on several occasions.

Jojo really has to continue to work on his lower body big time.

I agree it would be great if he can strengthen his base. But I would also cringe like hell if I saw him in the squat rack repping 500 pounds. He can bully people with his superior agility and foot work too.

[ivysixer2000]

Can't be a bully if your getting you shot blocked at the rim like we saw on several occasions.

Jojo really has to continue to work on his lower body big time.

I agree it would be great if he can strengthen his base. But I would also cringe like hell if I saw him in the squat rack repping 500 pounds. He can bully people with his superior agility and foot work too.

Well he does need more time in the squat rack, IMO, alot more time. I would love to hear what Shaq squatted in his prime and what Jojo does right now. With better tech and nutrition these days you would think Jojo would be higher, but he most definitely probably isn't. Going into that series, I never would've thought Baynes could keep up with Jojo, but you have to give credit where credit is due.....Baynes did do a damn good job for someone with his talent level. Alot of times Jojo's agility and footwork just didn't work.

Jojo still looks very awkward when trying to bully people, and that has everything to do with his base.

[Sixerscan]

Embiid cooked Baynes. He didn't score on him every time because that's impossible. Was very effective overall though. Horford and to a lesser extend Morris did good jobs.

[Sixerscan]

because he kept turning it over.

i kept reading that his right hand kept bothering him after he injured it last season. not just to be making excuses, or magic thinking that he doesn't need to really work on his handle, but the way he dropped that ball, just before he and Fultz both went for it and...

And then during the playoffs he had to wear a mask and goggles that kept fogging up.

[76thBearCub]

Embiid cooked Baynes. He didn't score on him every time because that's impossible. Was very effective overall though. Horford and to a lesser extend Morris did good jobs.

*Manbun

[76thBearCub]

Can't be a bully if your getting you shot blocked at the rim like we saw on several occasions.

Jojo really has to continue to work on his lower body big time.

I agree it would be great if he can strengthen his base. But I would also cringe like hell if I saw him in the squat rack repping 500 pounds. He can bully people with his superior agility and foot work too.

Well he does need more time in the squat rack, IMO, alot more time. I would love to hear what Shaq squatted in his prime and what Jojo does right now. With better tech and nutrition these days you would think Jojo would be higher, but he most definitely probably isn't. Going into that series, I never would've thought Baynes could keep up with Jojo, but you have to give credit where credit is due.....Baynes did do a damn good job for someone with his talent level. Alot of times Jojo's agility and footwork just didn't work.

Jojo still looks very awkward when trying to bully people, and that has everything to do with his base.

I could be absolutely dead wrong on this, but I doubt Shaq spent a ton of time in the squat rack. He was notoriously lazy.

But I'm like you, a comparison of the stats would be super interesting. I don't like squats personally but some people can do them with no problems. At least no immediate problems.

[ivysixer2000]

I agree it would be great if he can strengthen his base. But I would also cringe like hell if I saw him in the squat rack repping 500 pounds. He can bully people with his superior agility and foot work too.

Well he does need more time in the squat rack, IMO, alot more time. I would love to hear what Shaq squatted in his prime and what Jojo does right now. With better tech and nutrition these days you would think Jojo would be higher, but he most definitely probably isn't. Going into that series, I never would've thought Baynes could keep up with Jojo, but you have to give credit where credit is due.....Baynes did do a damn good job for someone with his talent level. Alot of times Jojo's agility and footwork just didn't work.

Jojo still looks very awkward when trying to bully people, and that has everything to do with his base.

I could be absolutely dead wrong on this, but I doubt Shaq spent a ton of time in the squat rack. He was notoriously lazy.

But I'm like you, a comparison of the stats would be super interesting. I don't like squats personally but some people can do them with no problems. At least no immediate problems.

Yeah that's why I said Shaq was born with it, although he probably worked harder than people gave him credit for he didn't like doing much in the offseason even by his own account of what kind of shape he would get in coming back from the summer.

Squats are fine, but you have to make sure you protect your back if your going to do them. The comparison between them would be fun at least.

[76thBearCub]

Yeah that's why I said Shaq was born with it, although he probably worked harder than people gave him credit for he didn't like doing much in the offseason even by his own account of what kind of shape he would get in coming back from the summer.

Squats are fine, but you have to make sure you protect your back if your going to do them. The comparison between them would be fun at least.

I know a lot of people can do heavy squats and be ok with it. Even with good form though, they're not for everybody. I get a hitch in my knee even with moderate weight, tried perfecting my form a thousand times.

[76thBearCub]

To be fair I had a partially torn meniscus that has never been fully fixed.

[Sixersftw]

To be fair I had a partially torn meniscus that has never been fully fixed.

That's likely your issue. Squatting is one of the most natural positions in life.

Also, we've finally hit a topic where I have absolutely useless insider knowledge! Shaq is pretty big on working out for a guy that has earned the lazy tag. Maybe he was less about it during his playing days.

[gdog2004]

look at Olajuwon

or Ewing. and imagine them with Shaq's indomitable onslaught of the rim. what do you get? "the walking GOAT"?

Jojo needs a whole lot more strength from the waist and below to be in Shaq's universe, which is probably the most underrated thing about Shaq. Yeah he was big, especially in his later years, but where he was big in his prime was a bigger problem.

Jojo just doesn't have that kind of lower body strength that Shaq was born with and probably never will, but he has alot more skills and touch than Shaq ever had so theres that. Both are big, totally different players though.

this is all true. Although Embiid can develop a lot more lower body strength than he has. People look at his muscular arms and think he is some powerhouse like a Shaq or a Wilt and he's not. Embiid is more a finesse player. More Ewing and Olajuwan then Shaq.

[gdog2004]

Can't be a bully if your getting you shot blocked at the rim like we saw on several occasions.

Jojo really has to continue to work on his lower body big time.

I agree it would be great if he can strengthen his base. But I would also cringe like hell if I saw him in the squat rack repping 500 pounds. He can bully people with his superior agility and foot work too.

Well he does need more time in the squat rack, IMO, alot more time. I would love to hear what Shaq squatted in his prime and what Jojo does right now. With better tech and nutrition these days you would think Jojo would be higher, but he most definitely probably isn't. Going into that series, I never would've thought Baynes could keep up with Jojo, but you have to give credit where credit is due.....Baynes did do a damn good job for someone with his talent level. Alot of times Jojo's agility and footwork just didn't work.

Jojo still looks very awkward when trying to bully people, and that has everything to do with his base.

Jojo looks awkward when trying to bully and also when driving to the basket if he has to take a lot of dribbles. Hence all the turnovers. Squats and deadlifts and a lot of core work would do wonders for him. It seems very easy to knock him off balance in the low post. He falls down a TON.

[76ciology]

NBA plays two types of game..

Regular Season Basketball (defense switch less):
- Biid spaces the floor and plays as a roll man

Playoff Basketball (heavy switching and physical):
- Biid post up smaller defender after Sixers forced a switch (i.e. Fultz or JJ - Biid PnR)
- Biid attacks with face-up against big defenders.

[Kolkmania]

I agree it would be great if he can strengthen his base. But I would also cringe like hell if I saw him in the squat rack repping 500 pounds. He can bully people with his superior agility and foot work too.

Well he does need more time in the squat rack, IMO, alot more time. I would love to hear what Shaq squatted in his prime and what Jojo does right now. With better tech and nutrition these days you would think Jojo would be higher, but he most definitely probably isn't. Going into that series, I never would've thought Baynes could keep up with Jojo, but you have to give credit where credit is due.....Baynes did do a damn good job for someone with his talent level. Alot of times Jojo's agility and footwork just didn't work.

Jojo still looks very awkward when trying to bully people, and that has everything to do with his base.

Jojo looks awkward when trying to bully and also when driving to the basket if he has to take a lot of dribbles. Hence all the turnovers. Squats and deadlifts and a lot of core work would do wonders for him. It seems very easy to knock him off balance in the low post. He falls down a TON.

I hope Embiid slims down a bit, I'd rather have a more mobile Embiid who is a bit more perimeter orientated on offense than a straight bully, who has to face dozens of double teams and is a liability on switches.

That said, Embiid has never practiced reading double teams and the corresponding ball handling moves that makes it easier to navigate through digging guards and forwards. Drew Hanlen mentioned that his ability to read and navigate through these situations has been one of the three main priorities this off-season.

[Ericb5]

Well he does need more time in the squat rack, IMO, alot more time. I would love to hear what Shaq squatted in his prime and what Jojo does right now. With better tech and nutrition these days you would think Jojo would be higher, but he most definitely probably isn't. Going into that series, I never would've thought Baynes could keep up with Jojo, but you have to give credit where credit is due.....Baynes did do a damn good job for someone with his talent level. Alot of times Jojo's agility and footwork just didn't work.

Jojo still looks very awkward when trying to bully people, and that has everything to do with his base.

Jojo looks awkward when trying to bully and also when driving to the basket if he has to take a lot of dribbles. Hence all the turnovers. Squats and deadlifts and a lot of core work would do wonders for him. It seems very easy to knock him off balance in the low post. He falls down a TON.

I hope Embiid slims down a bit, I'd rather have a more mobile Embiid who is a bit more perimeter orientated on offense than a straight bully, who has to face dozens of double teams and is a liability on switches.

That said, Embiid has never practiced reading double teams and the corresponding ball handling moves that makes it easier to navigate through digging guards and forwards. Drew Hanlen mentioned that his ability to read and navigate through these situations has been one of the three main priorities this off-season.

I think that if Embiid dropped 10 pounds it would help his fitness level. I didn’t used to think that he should do that, but I now think that he should.

He still will be at a physical advantage against pretty much the entire league, and hopefully he can do it for longer.


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[eyeatoma]

Jojo looks awkward when trying to bully and also when driving to the basket if he has to take a lot of dribbles. Hence all the turnovers. Squats and deadlifts and a lot of core work would do wonders for him. It seems very easy to knock him off balance in the low post. He falls down a TON.

I hope Embiid slims down a bit, I'd rather have a more mobile Embiid who is a bit more perimeter orientated on offense than a straight bully, who has to face dozens of double teams and is a liability on switches.

That said, Embiid has never practiced reading double teams and the corresponding ball handling moves that makes it easier to navigate through digging guards and forwards. Drew Hanlen mentioned that his ability to read and navigate through these situations has been one of the three main priorities this off-season.

I think that if Embiid dropped 10 pounds it would help his fitness level. I didn’t used to think that he should do that, but I now think that he should.

He still will be at a physical advantage against pretty much the entire league, and hopefully he can do it for longer.


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Yup he said that was a goal of his.

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[kuclas]

NBA plays two types of game..

Regular Season Basketball (defense switch less):
- Biid spaces the floor and plays as a roll man

Playoff Basketball (heavy switching and physical):
- Biid post up smaller defender after Sixers forced a switch (i.e. Fultz or JJ - Biid PnR)
- Biid attacks with face-up against big defenders.

Embiid basically abused Baynes in a couple of the playoffs games. Especially in the third quarter of one of those games (can’t remember). Face up. Baynes in no man’s land. Embiid can hit the 12 foot jumper all day or drive pass Baynes if he closes up.

Celtics were just waiting for embiid to tire himself out. They don’t have a true answer for embiid.

That’s why they never put Horford on a fresh embiid. Only put Horford on embiid when he’s tired out. Successful strategy. But a fresh embiid on Horford is a major mis match. Embiid is way to big for Horford.

It’s embiid’s conditioning that needs the most work. He can only play max level around 30-32 minutes a game.

[76ciology]

How do you make Embiid an elite offensive player?

To start, cut down his TOs from TO15% to below TO10%.

Cut his post attempts to half from 8/g to 4/g

Improve his FG% by increase his shots 0-3ft and 3-10ft

Increase PnR, because it leads to mismatches.

Only post-up if opponents switch a small guy at him.

If he goes up against guys of same size like Baynes, he needs to operate at high post.

And if he struggles with scoring at highpost against guy of same size, then he goes for PnR and let the ball handler punish the D if defense doesnt switch or he can punish the D if they then opt to switch.

Personally, the guy he needs to model his offense is KAT. KAT scores like a modern day C.

If Biid dont improve or dont change his ways, which we all know wont happen, he’ll end up being one of those inefficient 20ppg scorers with little impact on offense.

I see great potential with Biid and I know he will improve.