Danny Green on his podcast I played with a tear in my groin. Went undetected by Spurs medical staff.

[Throwback24]

in another word, Spurs medical staff is trash

Oh, come on. Kawhi saw approximately 300 doctors who could find nothing wrong with him at all before he finally found one that said he is maybe, possibly injured. That wasn't on them. And who knows why they missed Danny Green's groin. Maybe he didn't ask them to check for a groin tear.

The good news is the Raptors medical staff is better. Turn your focus on keeping DD healthy, he's not used to playing D. He's def. susceptible to a groin tear if you ask me.

[John Murdoch]

as a foreigner, i hear horror stories about the situation of the medical industry in the U.S. the best doctors aren't in the U.S. anymore so, i can be inclined to believe Green here.

Liesss

[dukes_wild]

Just for more context guys, Green was not throwing any shade at the Spurs, he was just defending Kawhi's caution last year and said that doctors aren't always right and that it's smart to get 2nd or 3rd opinions

[Chinook]

Either way fans from SA will find a way to say it is Leonard's fault. How about it was a collective fault on all parties. Geez, no one or organization is perfect.

First, no one thinks Green's groin tear is Leonard's fault. Second, what happened with Leonard is his fault. Third, acting like both parties have to have similar responsibility is very shallow thinking. Someone can just be wrong, and in this case, that person is Kawhi. There's a reason why he has to whip out a million different little things that justify leaving SA but still can't justify how he did it.

If he felt the Spurs broke his trust, that's not necessarily his "fault". The Spurs said he was cleared to play, he was still in pain, but because the Spurs publicly said he was cleared to play, he looked like the bad guy. I wouldn't be happy about that either.

The Spurs have to announce whether he's cleared to play. If their docs don't find anything wrong, they can't and shouldn't pretend like there is. They let Leonard seek as many opinions as he wanted to (on their dime), and they turned over his rehab months before the season even began. At that point, nothing that happened medically with Kawhi was their doing. Leonard looked like the bad guy because he WAS the bad guy, at least to the extent that he didn't think he needed to keep anyone informed about what was going on.

The Spurs medical staff "broke his trust", therefore, it's fine that he froze teammates out, avoided the media/fans and moved to a different city. None of those things are okay. Kawhi messed up, and that's why he had to leak so many different reasons (the injury just being one of those things -- and not even the one he's currently using) rather than just being able to stick with a story.

It used to be that the practices were too hard. Then it was that his people weren't given special status. Then it was the shoe deal. Then it was the "misdiagnosis". Then it was Pop talking about a "group". Then it was Parker. Then it was the Spurs being too controlling (months into a rehab process in which PATFO had zero control). Then it was PATFO apparently controlling endorsements. Then it was the Spurs not extending Leonard way back when so they could bring in Aldridge.

I'm sure I'm forgetting quite a few twists and turns in the saga, but Kawhi's grievances with PATFO have been a moving target for almost a year at this point. I get that you're hoping for the best for Kawhi and all that. But rewriting history to justify what he did isn't the way to get there. You're just going to be disappointed when you find out Kawhi's Kawhi no matter where he goes. Maybe he'll try to force it for a while. Hell, I hope he does at least enough to get SA that 21st pick. But almost no player ever forces himself out of a decent situation and ends up being a model citizen for the rest of his career.

[ChromeKid]

Spurs aren't the perfect org we thought they were I knew this once the gave pau that disgusting contract.

[kg01]

Pop gonna sic the pro-Spur media on him the way they've descended on Kawhii.

I get he didn't handle the situation properly but neither did they. Plus, that doesn't mean it's open season on the dude for life. It's gotten ridiculous at this point. Just move on, Spurs.

I mean, why is David Robinson even coming on 'the Jump' other than to bash Kawhii? There's basically no other substantive reason to talk to him at this point.

Now eggscuse me, I gotta get out 'fore the bash session begins.

"David Robinson's the Admiral, blah, blah, blah ... Kawhii should've been willing to drink his bath water, blah, blah, bleh ..."

[Karate Diop]

There's a part of me that feels like this is Danny Green trying to come up with excuses for his all-over-the-place level of play these past few years... There were stretches of the the past few seasons where he was almost unplayable...

[jacoby1us]

As usual, Spurs defense attorneys are present to defend Popavich at all costs and make this story about Leonard and "HIS MISTAKES" of not playing while being cleared to play by the doctors.

Can we just move forward from this already? This is getting worse than hearing about a Kardashian ruining another NBA players career and image.

[Slim Charlez]

Pretty much. Now all green has to do is wait for someone on the spurs to say their groin injury was 20x worse and they played thru it

That's not what Parker said at all. learn to read more than just the headline please.

You're right. Parker actually said his was 100x worse, not 20x.

People took want they wanted from that quote but next time actually read or look at the interview in full, he said that his injury was 100x worse and he was already back so Kawhi had to stay positive, yet no one brings up him going missing in China before the injury even happened

[qm22]

as a foreigner, i hear horror stories about the situation of the medical industry in the U.S. the best doctors aren't in the U.S. anymore so, i can be inclined to believe Green here.

Liesss

I can't tell if you're being serious. The answer would depend on your criteria. Like, best on average for the people seen most of the time, or the handful of best people. Obviously, there are a number of highly reputable places like the Mayo Clinic, but that's not representative of the system. I've been living abroad a few years and on a personal basis, the efficiency of access and choice of drugs, and price, was vastly, vastly, vastly superior.

Spoiler:

Type-1 diabetic here. In the US, the law is continuously lobbied for by medical associations that essentially mandate a need to see them to gain access to the pharmaceuticals you require to survive, i.e., to gain prescriptions for a chronic condition at a 3-month interval, with some tricks thrown in to make it less. Some doctors insisted on switching to more expensive products that they are affiliated with, and in the worst case, threatened to not prescribe me insulin if I didn't enlist in their installment of a implanted insulin pump - from a company paying the doctor millions in speaking fees - and the pump was basically a voluntary disability which was not needed given my quite healthy status. Meanwhile, I had only tried that doctor because the previous one kept on saying he could only write 1-2 month prescriptions, claiming that he would "get in trouble" with the insurance companies if he wrote more.
Rather barbaric and third worldly in my experience, as an American

[G35]

Thank you for posting this. It's like commonsense evades people in this conversation. Doctors practice medicine. Only a fool would continue to be in pain and brush it off just because the doctors they have already seen couldn't find the problem. You continue to seek medical attention until you can find the problem and then the solution.

Now tell me . What was the problem with Kawhi’s quad ?

Medicine is a lot like customer service; the patient is always right. Which isnt to say that there isnt any exceptions; more to say that if a patient is feeling pain, even if you cant find the source or see it, you still treat them like theyre feeling pain. Medicine is not an exact science and there is still much we dont know or understand. You take the patients word for it.

Has anyone ever heard of suggestive illnesses...when someone see's or hears about an illness and all of a sudden they have it as well.

Its why mental health issues are on the rise. People are now more prone to going to the hospital and its big business to prescribe medications.

We are feeding a circle of pills, stress, anxiety, and going to the hospital for everything. Which is also a problem because people think hospitals can cure everything instead of making lifestyle changes that could solve many issues.......

[I_Like_Dirt]

I mean, why is David Robinson even coming on 'the Jump' other than to bash Kawhii? There's basically no other substantive reason to talk to him at this point.

Now eggscuse me, I gotta get out 'fore the bash session begins.

"David Robinson's the Admiral, blah, blah, blah ... Kawhii should've been willing to drink his bath water, blah, blah, bleh ..."

I think both sides have been made out worse than they are in all of this, though there is also plenty of blame to go around and I don't really see the point in trying to decipher it all.

That aside, Robinson chiming in seemed odd to me. I mean, yeah, he played for the Spurs and was a great player, but he's also a minority owner of the Spurs. I get that he just answered the questions he was asked, but that seemed really out of place and he went out of his way to do it. In all of this, Pop still seems to come across as pretty decent, as far as I can tell, but beyond that, I'm not necessarily impressed with how the Spurs have handled all this, either. Doesn't make them or Kawhi right or wrong or whatever, just an really unexpected turn of events.

[Edrees]

as a foreigner, i hear horror stories about the situation of the medical industry in the U.S. the best doctors aren't in the U.S. anymore so, i can be inclined to believe Green here.

it's more like nobody in the US can afford the best doctors because they no longer accept insurance and only take cash. because they make more money that way because insurance companies don't get a huge cut of their earnings.

[Michael Jordan]

I'm sure if Green realized he had a tear, he would have isolated himself from the team and rehabbed with his uncle in New York

[TacoLord]

as a foreigner, i hear horror stories about the situation of the medical industry in the U.S. the best doctors aren't in the U.S. anymore so, i can be inclined to believe Green here.

But what if a bad doctor misdiagnosed his tear, and it was in fact just a strain from choking the chicken too much?

[Clyde Frazier]

That's... wow. Maybe if Kawhi actually talked he could shed some light on what now sounds like an awful medical staff, especially for spurs standards.

[TheNewEra]

Either way fans from SA will find a way to say it is Leonard's fault. How about it was a collective fault on all parties. Geez, no one or organization is perfect.

First, no one thinks Green's groin tear is Leonard's fault. Second, what happened with Leonard is his fault. Third, acting like both parties have to have similar responsibility is very shallow thinking. Someone can just be wrong, and in this case, that person is Kawhi. There's a reason why he has to whip out a million different little things that justify leaving SA but still can't justify how he did it.

If he felt the Spurs broke his trust, that's not necessarily his "fault". The Spurs said he was cleared to play, he was still in pain, but because the Spurs publicly said he was cleared to play, he looked like the bad guy. I wouldn't be happy about that either.

Exactly anyone trying to cover for the Spurs at this point seem to have some agenda. The more that comes out seems like Khawi didn’t want to get the Isaiah Thomas treatment and cleaned his hands. There was no narrative spin from his uncle or representation he wanted out to LA. They were right to stay silent because they were not going to win the public battle against the Spurs.

[TheNewEra]

That's... wow. Maybe if Kawhi actually talked he could shed some light on what now sounds like an awful medical staff, especially for spurs standards.

Khawi was not going to win a battle of public opinion against the Spurs let’s be real. He’s either soft, shouldn’t be complaining because of millions, or blah blah he’s lying it’s the Spurs, let’s blame the uncle.

[DROB27]

First, no one thinks Green's groin tear is Leonard's fault. Second, what happened with Leonard is his fault. Third, acting like both parties have to have similar responsibility is very shallow thinking. Someone can just be wrong, and in this case, that person is Kawhi. There's a reason why he has to whip out a million different little things that justify leaving SA but still can't justify how he did it.

If he felt the Spurs broke his trust, that's not necessarily his "fault". The Spurs said he was cleared to play, he was still in pain, but because the Spurs publicly said he was cleared to play, he looked like the bad guy. I wouldn't be happy about that either.

Exactly anyone trying to cover for the Spurs at this point seem to have some agenda. The more that comes out seems like Khawi didn’t want to get the Isaiah Thomas treatment and cleaned his hands. There was no narrative spin from his uncle or representation he wanted out to LA. They were right to stay silent because they were not going to win the public battle against the Spurs.

Ridiculous. Kawhi told teammates he was gonna come back only to stand up the team by not playing . Which tells me he was healthy .

Then he hid from the spurs staff when they came to check on him

[G R E Y]

I wonder how many people besides OP above who provided context actually bothered to listen to the podcast. Excellence is not perfection, but a high standard, one that the Spurs have been consistent about for decades now. If Danny was in too much pain, he would have been out there playing.

And oh, there's also this:

Read on Twitter

But don't let Danny's intent get in the way of what some want so badly to be another narrative, be it Danny's or that of the Spurs medical staff (which, once again, sought leading medical experts in Leonard's condition) or even the Leonard situation for that matter -- please remember he had his own medical group in place August 2017, before any of this happened (and they took twice as long as the Spurs had to treat him for a less serious prognosis), and he was icing the team before any of this happened as well (trip to China in August 2017). I've lost track of how many reasons have been thrown to see what sticks, yet none justify his and his group's behaviour. The best part is we are moving forward free of them and their ways.