Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[heir_jordan22]

Lopez and Asik for John Henson and Dellavedova.

Big NO. Two expiring contracts for longer term contracts that are horrible.

Lopez expires after this season. Asik expires in two years, just like Henson and Dellavedova. Bulls would save $5mil this year and pay an extra $9.5mil next year.

Lopez is marginally better than Henson, and ultimately they would play the same role of backup C behind WCJ.

Dellavedova is much better than Asik, and he would be the backup PG instead of the 4th C.

The only reason you would not do this is if you are confident that Felicio and Payne will pan out as the backups at their respective positions. But why not have a contingency plan?

[RedBulls23]

Lopez and Asik for John Henson and Dellavedova.

Big NO. Two expiring contracts for longer term contracts that are horrible.

Lopez expires after this season. Asik expires in two years, just like Henson and Dellavedova. Bulls would save $5mil this year and pay an extra $9.5mil next year.

Lopez is marginally better than Henson, and ultimately they would play the same role of backup C behind WCJ.

Dellavedova is much better than Asik, and he would be the backup PG instead of the 4th C.

The only reason you would not do this is if you are confident that Felicio and Payne will pan out as the backups at their respective positions. But why not have a contingency plan?

Asik has an ETO for 2019-2020 where only 3 million is guaranteed. This trade would eat into cap space for next offseason.

[heir_jordan22]

Big NO. Two expiring contracts for longer term contracts that are horrible.

Lopez expires after this season. Asik expires in two years, just like Henson and Dellavedova. Bulls would save $5mil this year and pay an extra $9.5mil next year.

Lopez is marginally better than Henson, and ultimately they would play the same role of backup C behind WCJ.

Dellavedova is much better than Asik, and he would be the backup PG instead of the 4th C.

The only reason you would not do this is if you are confident that Felicio and Payne will pan out as the backups at their respective positions. But why not have a contingency plan?

Asik has an ETO for 2019-2020 where only 3 million is guaranteed. This trade would eat into cap space for next offseason.

Ahh I was not aware of the ETO. That's a big difference lol thanks

[gardenofsound]

Someone on th T&T board suggested this:
Alexis Ajinca
Solomon Hill
Top 4 protected FRP

for

Holiday
Lopez

I'd personally do this, but I don't think the Bulls would. What do you think? This would put them in the 2020 offseason with Parker, Dunn, Valentine, and Hill all expiring.

Pelicans have a very good chance of missing the playoffs. I expect 6 or so teams to be battling for the 7 and 8 seeds next year. GSW, HOU, SAS, LAL, UTA, and OKC look to be ahead of them in the standings, and POR, DEN, LAC, MIN, and even MEM (Conley will be back) may be battling with New Orleans for those last two slots. Very similar to last year. That pick would have a strong likelihood of being in the top 14.

The downside of the deal is that Solomon Hill takes $11+ million into the 2019-2020 season which hampers FA flexibility next offseason. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I also don't think the Bulls are going to have a strong chance of hitting on a top flight free agent, so accumulating an extra draft pick makes a lot of sense to me.

[sco]

Someone on th T&T board suggested this:
Alexis Ajinca
Solomon Hill
Top 4 protected FRP

for

Holiday
Lopez

I'd personally do this, but I don't think the Bulls would. What do you think? This would put them in the 2020 offseason with Parker, Dunn, Valentine, and Hill all expiring.

Pelicans have a very good chance of missing the playoffs. I expect 6 or so teams to be battling for the 7 and 8 seeds next year. GSW, HOU, SAS, LAL, UTA, and OKC look to be ahead of them in the standings, and POR, DEN, LAC, MIN, and even MEM (Conley will be back) may be battling with New Orleans for those last two slots. Very similar to last year. That pick would have a strong likelihood of being in the top 14.

The downside of the deal is that Solomon Hill takes $11+ million into the 2019-2020 season which hampers FA flexibility next offseason. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I also don't think the Bulls are going to have a strong chance of hitting on a top flight free agent, so accumulating an extra draft pick makes a lot of sense to me.

I doubt the Pels do this.

[gardenofsound]

Someone on th T&T board suggested this:
Alexis Ajinca
Solomon Hill
Top 4 protected FRP

for

Holiday
Lopez

I'd personally do this, but I don't think the Bulls would. What do you think? This would put them in the 2020 offseason with Parker, Dunn, Valentine, and Hill all expiring.

Pelicans have a very good chance of missing the playoffs. I expect 6 or so teams to be battling for the 7 and 8 seeds next year. GSW, HOU, SAS, LAL, UTA, and OKC look to be ahead of them in the standings, and POR, DEN, LAC, MIN, and even MEM (Conley will be back) may be battling with New Orleans for those last two slots. Very similar to last year. That pick would have a strong likelihood of being in the top 14.

The downside of the deal is that Solomon Hill takes $11+ million into the 2019-2020 season which hampers FA flexibility next offseason. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I also don't think the Bulls are going to have a strong chance of hitting on a top flight free agent, so accumulating an extra draft pick makes a lot of sense to me.

I doubt the Pels do this.

Their justification is that they'd have only Jrue, Davis, Moore, and Randle with guaranteed money going into the 2019 offseason. They could really play in free agency.

[gardenofsound]

Actually, this makes me really wonder. New York is currently slated to have around $63.7mm in guaranteed contracts and cap holds (Porzingis) going into next offseason. If they were to offload Noah, that would bring them down to $44.5mm.

They'd still have their young core of Porzingis, Knox, Robinson, and Ntilikina. Renounce Mudiay, let Kanter walk.

Bulls should make an offer to take on Noah's contract in exchange for an UNPROTECTED 2019 1st. This would give the Knicks to really play on the FA market with two max slots available, and an enticing group to attract free agents. Irving, Butler, Durant, Leonard... I could see Irving and one of the other three finding New York a very enticing opportunity.

Next offseason is the only offseason in which they can even try to pull this off, because after that, Porzingis will be on a larger deal and the ship would have sailed. They would have to have some urgency around this.

The trade can happen anytime between now and FA next year. Ideal would be Asik and Holiday, but Lopez and Holiday would also be acceptable. Otherwise, the deal could wait until next offseason, where the Bulls could outright absorb the contract, potentially on draft night itself.

[aramada]

Actually, this makes me really wonder. New York is currently slated to have around $63.7mm in guaranteed contracts and cap holds (Porzingis) going into next offseason. If they were to offload Noah, that would bring them down to $44.5mm.

They'd still have their young core of Porzingis, Knox, Robinson, and Ntilikina. Renounce Mudiay, let Kanter walk.

Bulls should make an offer to take on Noah's contract in exchange for an UNPROTECTED 2019 1st. This would give the Knicks to really play on the FA market with two max slots available, and an enticing group to attract free agents. Irving, Butler, Durant, Leonard... I could see Irving and one of the other three finding New York a very enticing opportunity.

Next offseason is the only offseason in which they can even try to pull this off, because after that, Porzingis will be on a larger deal and the ship would have sailed. They would have to have some urgency around this.

The trade can happen anytime between now and FA next year. Ideal would be Asik and Holiday, but Lopez and Holiday would also be acceptable. Otherwise, the deal could wait until next offseason, where the Bulls could outright absorb the contract, potentially on draft night itself.

If we really suck maybe, but more likely, if we are better than last season, I would have concerns about facilitating another long term contender in the East - if their young players pan out and they add one of those max guys, they could be around for a long time. I'm not forgetting that this is the Knicks we are talking about, but I also recognize their new FO has done a good job so far.
If some of our young players pan out, I'd favor keeping the cap space into free agency and see if we can make a play for Butler.

[sco]

Knicks said they wouldn't do that this year, don't see why they would next year unless they had deals lined up already, but doubt they do it.

[Rose2Boozer]

Someone on th T&T board suggested this:
Alexis Ajinca
Solomon Hill
Top 4 protected FRP

for

Holiday
Lopez

I'd personally do this, but I don't think the Bulls would. What do you think? This would put them in the 2020 offseason with Parker, Dunn, Valentine, and Hill all expiring.

Pelicans have a very good chance of missing the playoffs. I expect 6 or so teams to be battling for the 7 and 8 seeds next year. GSW, HOU, SAS, LAL, UTA, and OKC look to be ahead of them in the standings, and POR, DEN, LAC, MIN, and even MEM (Conley will be back) may be battling with New Orleans for those last two slots. Very similar to last year. That pick would have a strong likelihood of being in the top 14.

The downside of the deal is that Solomon Hill takes $11+ million into the 2019-2020 season which hampers FA flexibility next offseason. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I also don't think the Bulls are going to have a strong chance of hitting on a top flight free agent, so accumulating an extra draft pick makes a lot of sense to me.

A very interesting trade for the Bulls. It's pretty much taking on Hill's last year (13,290,395) for a first round pick. As far as the Pelicans are concerned, they could definitely use Holiday, but I think their good at the bigs with Davis, Niko, Randle, and Diallo. They even have Okafor on the books for next season.

If the Pels balked, I'd counter with Valentine for Miller and Jackson.

[sco]

Someone on th T&T board suggested this:
Alexis Ajinca
Solomon Hill
Top 4 protected FRP

for

Holiday
Lopez

I'd personally do this, but I don't think the Bulls would. What do you think? This would put them in the 2020 offseason with Parker, Dunn, Valentine, and Hill all expiring.

Pelicans have a very good chance of missing the playoffs. I expect 6 or so teams to be battling for the 7 and 8 seeds next year. GSW, HOU, SAS, LAL, UTA, and OKC look to be ahead of them in the standings, and POR, DEN, LAC, MIN, and even MEM (Conley will be back) may be battling with New Orleans for those last two slots. Very similar to last year. That pick would have a strong likelihood of being in the top 14.

The downside of the deal is that Solomon Hill takes $11+ million into the 2019-2020 season which hampers FA flexibility next offseason. I'm not a huge fan of that, but I also don't think the Bulls are going to have a strong chance of hitting on a top flight free agent, so accumulating an extra draft pick makes a lot of sense to me.

A very interesting trade for the Bulls. It's pretty much taking on Hill's last year (13,290,395) for a first round pick. As far as the Pelicans are concerned, they could definitely use Holiday, but I think their good at the bigs with Davis, Niko, Randle, and Diallo. They even have Okafor on the books for next season.

If the Pels balked, I'd counter with Valentine for Miller and Jackson.

Are we in essence trading a max FA slot for a FRP?

[Lauri_Legend]

Hopefully by February a deal around Kawhi for Lavine. We get a rental in Kawhi, if he declines to sign we have even more cap space. We cut bait with Lavine's contract. Also, Raptors get a young promising player to basically step in Derozan's shoes.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Hopefully by February a deal around Kawhi for Lavine. We get a rental in Kawhi, if he declines to sign we have even more cap space. We cut bait with Lavine's contract. Also, Raptors get a young promising player to basically step in Derozan's shoes.

Why does Toronto do this?

[Lauri_Legend]

Hopefully by February a deal around Kawhi for Lavine. We get a rental in Kawhi, if he declines to sign we have even more cap space. We cut bait with Lavine's contract. Also, Raptors get a young promising player to basically step in Derozan's shoes.

Why does Toronto do this?

They have a rental. Kawhi informs them he's not returning. They desperate to get anything back. They're looking to go younger. They see a 23 year old bright young player on the market to stay relevant.

[_txchilibowl_]

Hopefully by February a deal around Kawhi for Lavine. We get a rental in Kawhi, if he declines to sign we have even more cap space. We cut bait with Lavine's contract. Also, Raptors get a young promising player to basically step in Derozan's shoes.

Why does Toronto do this?

They have a rental. Kawhi informs them he's not returning. They desperate to get anything back. They're looking to go younger. They see a 23 year old bright young player on the market to stay relevant.

So the guy we want to cut bait on, months in to a new 4 year deal, would be viewed as a bright, young player by Toronto? Why?

[Lauri_Legend]

Why does Toronto do this?

They have a rental. Kawhi informs them he's not returning. They desperate to get anything back. They're looking to go younger. They see a 23 year old bright young player on the market to stay relevant.

So the guy we want to cut bait on, months in to a new 4 year deal, would be viewed as a bright, young player by Toronto? Why?

If your the Raptors, you rather let Kawhi walk for nothing? Taking back Lavine would be a win for the Raptors.

[_txchilibowl_]

They have a rental. Kawhi informs them he's not returning. They desperate to get anything back. They're looking to go younger. They see a 23 year old bright young player on the market to stay relevant.

So the guy we want to cut bait on, months in to a new 4 year deal, would be viewed as a bright, young player by Toronto? Why?

If your the Raptors, you rather let Kawhi walk for nothing? Taking back Lavine would be a win for the Raptors.

There are plenty of people on this board who would rather have nothing than Zach Lavine. You yourself suggested as much when you said "We cut bait with Lavine's contract".

I'm just trying to understand why Toronto would feel differently.

[Onibuh]

If LaVine would be good enough to justify trading Kawhi, I don't think GarPax should trade him...

[sco]

If TOR needs anything, I'd say it's a RoLo type guy and to get JV off their roster. Not that I want JV, but a future pick and Anunoby might be enough for me. They could probably use Holiday too.

[Dan Z]

If TOR needs anything, I'd say it's a RoLo type guy and to get JV off their roster. Not that I want JV, but a future pick and Anunoby might be enough for me. They could probably use Holiday too.

Is JV that bad?