2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[jredsaz]

When LA are suppose to have signed their two max FA's? Nahhhhhhh

Obviously it depends on who they sign but by 2022 LeBron is on the downside of his career and it could be the double draft. No way the Lakers offer this so the point is moot.

You'll need to do this deal by the trade deadline otherwise they won't have the 2 max cap spaces they're looking for next offseason. The whole point is to have Chandler and Daniels coming off the books. Lebron will be on the downside but the plan is to surround him with stars who can carry the long regular season load.

But you're right, it's a moot point

He could be traded into our space next offseason as well.

But you're right, it's a moot point. Lol. Got to love late July basketball talk

[jcsunsfan]

No matter who we have , Suns fans will talk crap!

I hope Knight avg 15/8 and less than 3 turnovers a game! I hope he shines ! I believe in him, and hope he comes out strong with hustle!

We would all be thrilled with 15/8 from Knight.


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There is no way Knight averages 8 assists. He isn't that player. I just hope he moves the ball and knocks down shots at a decent efficiency instead of pounding the ball and either chucking or turning it over.

If he does maybe we can trade him at the deadline for an expiring plus a decent asset. That is the best case scenario imo.

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Knight almost cannot help but succeed this season because the expectations are soooooo loooow.


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[jredsaz]

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Chandler looks like an extra from Uncle Drew with that beard.

[Saberestar]

Scott Bordow was interviewed yesterday and he said a few interesting things.

- He is pretty sure that the Suns and Chandler have talked about a buyout, but right now the Suns wants to bring him back next season.

Only if Chandler wants out (and Scott does not know about it) they will try to trade him or buying him out.

Dudley was our fourth PF in the rotation, but Chandler would be our backup C next season playing 12-15 mpg.

Ayton expects to learn from Chandler. He said that to Scott in Summer League.

Chandler was DPOY, so he can give Ayton great advices about positioning, talking on defense and how to be out of foul trouble.

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

- Scott thinks really high about Ariza as a PF.
He mentioned that he can average 15 points and 8 rebounds for the Suns next season.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2018/7/23/17602244/solar-panel-ep-81-are-the-phoenix-suns-done-making-moves-trades-nba-free-agency?__twitter_impression=true

[BobbieL]

Scott Bordow was interviewed yesterday and he said a few interesting things.

- He is pretty sure that the Suns and Chandler have talked about a buyout, but right now the Suns wants to bring him back next season.

Only if Chandler wants out (and Scott does not know about it) they will try to trade him or buying him out.

Dudley was our fourth PF in the rotation, but Chandler would be our backup C next season playing 12-15 mpg.

Ayton expects to learn from Chandler. He said that to Scott in Summer League.

Chandler was DPOY, so he can give Ayton great advices about positioning, talking on defense and how to be out of foul trouble.

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

- Scott thinks really high about Ariza as a PF.
He mentioned that he can average 15 points and 8 rebounds for the Suns next season.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2018/7/23/17602244/solar-panel-ep-81-are-the-phoenix-suns-done-making-moves-trades-nba-free-agency?__twitter_impression=true

thanks for posting -- about Chandler - if he is on board with helping and being a back up, well he can be of assistance (plus it keeps the contract on the books if they want to make a trade in February). plus with Holmes, Bender and Chriss - if Chandler needs a night off , meaning no back to backs, they have that. Chandler for 12-15m per night, helping Ayton, well that is what it is

now, trading for Beverly
Daniels, Bender and Chriss - each straight up - work for Beverly.

I don't think the Clippers need Beverly, the other two they might want to take a flier on . Now, if the Suns were to find a team for Beverly - ESPN Trade Machine shows that then the Suns can take on Beverly. And the Clippers take back a draft pick or something.

Thats how I think the Suns get a guy like Beverly, three team deal.

[Frank Lee]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

[Saberestar]

thanks for posting -- about Chandler - if he is on board with helping and being a back up, well he can be of assistance (plus it keeps the contract on the books if they want to make a trade in February). plus with Holmes, Bender and Chriss - if Chandler needs a night off , meaning no back to backs, they have that. Chandler for 12-15m per night, helping Ayton, well that is what it is

now, trading for Beverly
Daniels, Bender and Chriss - each straight up - work for Beverly.

I don't think the Clippers need Beverly, the other two they might want to take a flier on . Now, if the Suns were to find a team for Beverly - ESPN Trade Machine shows that then the Suns can take on Beverly. And the Clippers take back a draft pick or something.

Thats how I think the Suns get a guy like Beverly, three team deal.

Yeah, we can trade straight up for Beverley or using a third team. A really easy trade to make because his salary are just $5M.

I do not know what is McDonough waiting for.

I know that there are enough time left until the start of the season, but I would prefer to get him ASAP.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd rather wait to see how we start the season before making a move for another PG. I don't want to rattle BK's newfound confidence and team spirit. I'm not generally in favor of coddling players, but in this case, where we could turn a $14 million negative into a positive, I'd prefer that.

Besides, we have two quality PG prospects behind BK who could also surprise to the upside. No need to submarine all of their hopes by going 4 deep at that position before we're sure of the need. May want to keep some of that powder dry in case there's an injury, say.

[BobbieL]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

I think the primary reason for keeping him isnot mentorship -its 13.6m of expiring contract at the deadline at which time if not traded, he will be bought out. I get thats a pretty darn big IF - and I have zero evidence of this. Just my theory....

It was noted yesterday Kevin Love cannot be traded for six months. Not saying Love would be the target but the Suns would need to probably attach Chandlers 14m to get a Love or Lillard or whomever since its an expiring deal. The mentor stuff is "good narrative"

[BobbieL]

thanks for posting -- about Chandler - if he is on board with helping and being a back up, well he can be of assistance (plus it keeps the contract on the books if they want to make a trade in February). plus with Holmes, Bender and Chriss - if Chandler needs a night off , meaning no back to backs, they have that. Chandler for 12-15m per night, helping Ayton, well that is what it is

now, trading for Beverly
Daniels, Bender and Chriss - each straight up - work for Beverly.

I don't think the Clippers need Beverly, the other two they might want to take a flier on . Now, if the Suns were to find a team for Beverly - ESPN Trade Machine shows that then the Suns can take on Beverly. And the Clippers take back a draft pick or something.

Thats how I think the Suns get a guy like Beverly, three team deal.

Yeah, we can trade straight up for Beverley or using a third team. A really easy trade to make because his salary are just $5M.

I do not know what is McDonough waiting for.

I know that there are enough time left until the start of the season, but I would prefer to get him ASAP.

Ryan is waiting on the Logo to make a decision as far as the Clipper PG situation. I am sure Ryan has called STaples a bunch of times about Milos or Beverly. Clippers probably are trying to figure out the best trade for them to move bodies and what not.

[Saberestar]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

I do not believe in his great mentorship neither, I think it is more a legend than reality.

BUT, if he wants to play for us on a backup role and he wants to play beyond this season I think that he can be a really good bench player for us.

I hate the idea of playing Chandler starting minutes, because he is not good enough, but on 12-15 mpg he can be a good backup C.
He can play with energy for those short periods of time.

And we have Holmes to play big minutes on backs to backs and as a insurance for injuries, foul trouble and depth at PF/C.

[Sreister]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

Man, I just don't get the notion that having vets to help the young guys learn and adjust is BS. I don't get it at all. Have you ever had a job? Work at the same spot that someone else does, but that he/she has been there a while and learned some ins and outs? Taught you the ropes? Or the idea of a player/coach? How many vets have you heard talk in interviews about old teammates that you never/barely heard of? Guys in the locker room matter. End of story. You might question the levity of their impact, but to say it's complete bull is just shallow. Maybe it's a little over stated what they do, but I promise you that Ayton would benefit from having Chandler on the roster. Defense, especially positioning, is absolutely something that can be taught and learned on any level, which just happens to be Ayton's perceived weakness. Making poor decisions is one thing, but just not knowing proper weakside help is definitely something that can be taught, and at this point in his career, Chandler knows more than most what positioning means and how to pass that on to him.

Chandler can give us 12-15 a game at this point in his career. Plus, it's so easy to say he isn't making any sort of impact, but what happens if you take him off the squad? Look at our roster without him and tell me we wouldn't have missed him. As bad as last year was, our team never imploded like some teams have, and I believe it's because we had vets to keep our young guys' heads up.

I think the point of disagreeing is not whether he helps, but the level of help he provides. Because I don't buy for one minute that he didn't have an impact on us this past year, and won't have an impact on Ayton this coming year.

EDIT: Some grammar mistakes and to clarify some poor wording.

[bwgood77]

Scott Bordow was interviewed yesterday and he said a few interesting things.

- He is pretty sure that the Suns and Chandler have talked about a buyout, but right now the Suns wants to bring him back next season.

Only if Chandler wants out (and Scott does not know about it) they will try to trade him or buying him out.

Dudley was our fourth PF in the rotation, but Chandler would be our backup C next season playing 12-15 mpg.

Ayton expects to learn from Chandler. He said that to Scott in Summer League.

Chandler was DPOY, so he can give Ayton great advices about positioning, talking on defense and how to be out of foul trouble.

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

- Scott thinks really high about Ariza as a PF.
He mentioned that he can average 15 points and 8 rebounds for the Suns next season.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2018/7/23/17602244/solar-panel-ep-81-are-the-phoenix-suns-done-making-moves-trades-nba-free-agency?__twitter_impression=true

thanks for posting -- about Chandler - if he is on board with helping and being a back up, well he can be of assistance (plus it keeps the contract on the books if they want to make a trade in February). plus with Holmes, Bender and Chriss - if Chandler needs a night off , meaning no back to backs, they have that. Chandler for 12-15m per night, helping Ayton, well that is what it is

now, trading for Beverly
Daniels, Bender and Chriss - each straight up - work for Beverly.

I don't think the Clippers need Beverly, the other two they might want to take a flier on . Now, if the Suns were to find a team for Beverly - ESPN Trade Machine shows that then the Suns can take on Beverly. And the Clippers take back a draft pick or something.

Thats how I think the Suns get a guy like Beverly, three team deal.

People keep talking about Chandler not mentoring but Triano said a few times last year he really helps the guys on the floor when he's out there because of how vocal he is. We know he worked with Booker some as well....well at least he had those videos. I think a lot of the team has valued him. As for Len, I just don't think it was in his personality to be too vocal. I think with Ayton it is, though I don't think he should be telling others where to be yet since he often doesn't know where to be, but if he studies Tyson whether it be in practice going against him or whenever Tyson plays (if he does), maybe it helps.

[bwgood77]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

I agree about a buyout or another team wanting him. I think others have learned from guys...Bamba worked with Embiid and JJJ with KG and it seems they valued it. It might be minimal but Booker has also talked about wanting more vets in the locker room.

Of course I'm fine moving on from Tyson but I don't think he adds nothing, and Ayton needs all the possible help he can get.

[bwgood77]

thanks for posting -- about Chandler - if he is on board with helping and being a back up, well he can be of assistance (plus it keeps the contract on the books if they want to make a trade in February). plus with Holmes, Bender and Chriss - if Chandler needs a night off , meaning no back to backs, they have that. Chandler for 12-15m per night, helping Ayton, well that is what it is

now, trading for Beverly
Daniels, Bender and Chriss - each straight up - work for Beverly.

I don't think the Clippers need Beverly, the other two they might want to take a flier on . Now, if the Suns were to find a team for Beverly - ESPN Trade Machine shows that then the Suns can take on Beverly. And the Clippers take back a draft pick or something.

Thats how I think the Suns get a guy like Beverly, three team deal.

Yeah, we can trade straight up for Beverley or using a third team. A really easy trade to make because his salary are just $5M.

I do not know what is McDonough waiting for.

I know that there are enough time left until the start of the season, but I would prefer to get him ASAP.

Well they want to compete this year. They also have two young point guards and likely don't want to start them yet. They also don't completely trust Teodosic and his injury. If Beverley is healthy I think they'd want to keep him. If not, we probably shouldn't trade for him even though I'd love to have him.

And many think they are most likely to waive Jawun Evans, Wesley Johnson and CJ Williams or Thornwell.

[sunsfever68]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

Man, I just don't get the notion that having vets to help the young guys learn and adjust is BS. I don't get it at all. Have you ever had a job? Work at the same spot that someone else does, but that he/she has been there a while and learned some ins and outs? Taught you the ropes? Or the idea of a player/coach? How many vets have you heard talk in interviews about old teammates that you never/barely heard of? Guys in the locker room matter. End of story. You might question the levity of their impact, but to say it's complete bull is just shallow. Maybe it's a little over stated what they do, but I promise you that Ayton would benefit from having Chandler on the roster. Defense, especially positioning, is absolutely something that can be taught and learned on any level, which just happens to be Ayton's perceived weakness. Making poor decisions is one thing, but just not knowing proper weakside help is definitely something that can be taught, and at this point in his career, Chandler knows more than most what positioning means and how to pass that on to him.

Chandler can give us 12-15 a game at this point in his career. Plus, it's so easy to say he isn't making any sort of impact, but what happens if you take him off the squad? Look at our roster without him and tell me we wouldn't have missed him. As bad as last year was, our team never imploded like some teams have, and I believe it's because we had vets to keep our young guys' heads up.

I think the point of disagreeing is not whether he helps, but the level of help he provides. Because I don't buy for one minute that he didn't have an impact on us this past year, and won't have an impact on Ayton this coming year.

EDIT: Some grammar mistakes and to clarify some poor wording.

This^^ Having Chandler on the roster to beat up Ayton every day in practice and make him better is crucial. Ayton needs a vet to grill him

[BobbieL]

thanks for posting -- about Chandler - if he is on board with helping and being a back up, well he can be of assistance (plus it keeps the contract on the books if they want to make a trade in February). plus with Holmes, Bender and Chriss - if Chandler needs a night off , meaning no back to backs, they have that. Chandler for 12-15m per night, helping Ayton, well that is what it is

now, trading for Beverly
Daniels, Bender and Chriss - each straight up - work for Beverly.

I don't think the Clippers need Beverly, the other two they might want to take a flier on . Now, if the Suns were to find a team for Beverly - ESPN Trade Machine shows that then the Suns can take on Beverly. And the Clippers take back a draft pick or something.

Thats how I think the Suns get a guy like Beverly, three team deal.

Yeah, we can trade straight up for Beverley or using a third team. A really easy trade to make because his salary are just $5M.

I do not know what is McDonough waiting for.

I know that there are enough time left until the start of the season, but I would prefer to get him ASAP.

Well they want to compete this year. They also have two young point guards and likely don't want to start them yet. They also don't completely trust Teodosic and his injury. If Beverley is healthy I think they'd want to keep him. If not, we probably shouldn't trade for him even though I'd love to have him.

And many think they are most likely to waive Jawun Evans, Wesley Johnson and CJ Williams or Thornwell.

also very true - Beverly is a good player and you have listed names they can waive to get to the 15 player mark

Ballmer is also pretty loaded - so 6m to pay off Wes J and keeping Beverly though Beverly is not guaranteed is do-able. Heck Ballmer already is paying TEodosic when they could have waived him and not spent 4.2m.

[Frank Lee]

Sorry
I just think Tyson is done
Sure
Some good may rub off, but we already have coaches as well as big man camps and such. I’m more inclined to believe Chandler is more trade ballast than anything.

I guess he’s paid regardless, by us.... but I’d rather have a contributor who has the potential to be with this team in the future.

Btw, yes... I’ve had a job and did benefit from the ins/outs/ropes, but it was short lived and the end result was having a person who contributed half the work of what the eventual replacement did. It works two ways here.

[phx#7]

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

This isn't accurate. If he is bought out he will still need to clear waivers before he can sign elsewhere, and Suns should have top priority in waiver process.

[Revived]

Clippers reportedly see Beverly & Teodisc as mentors for SGA so I could see them keeping all 3. They need three PGs anyway (just about every team does on their roster).