Bayless: Vince Carter played himself out of HOF in late career

[Rocketsbaby]

Vince Carter was arguably a better player than Michael Jordan at the same age. Does that diminish MJ's Hall of Fame case?

Vince Carter was easily better than Kobe Bryant at the same age. Not even debatable. Is Kobe not a hall of famer?

Neither of these statements are true.

Vince came into the league at 22, and at no point was Vince every as good as MJ or Kobe by the time they reach 22.

Kobe didn't play to 40, and MJ was better than Vince at 40.

Vince at no point was ever the best at his position in the NBA. He was a defensive liability, and again the 00's version of Demar.

I mean this is factually incorrect. Demar Derozan prior to last season never had one season anywhere near as productive as Vince Carter's top 10. If it wasn't for Derozan playing on stacked teams the last 5 years no one would have even heard of the guy. He would have been winning 25 games in obscurity.

[SichtingLives]

Should change his name to Skip Gayless cuz this man has no joy in his life

[JRsmithereens]

Should change his name to Skip Gayless cuz this man has no joy in his life

I was expecting this joke to go in a different direction.

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[SichtingLives]

Should change his name to Skip Gayless cuz this man has no joy in his life

I was expecting this joke to go in a different direction.

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nah man gotta keep it PC these days I'm not tryin to ruffle anybodys skirt

[JRsmithereens]

Should change his name to Skip Gayless cuz this man has no joy in his life

I was expecting this joke to go in a different direction.

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nah man gotta keep it PC these days I'm not tryin to ruffle anybodys skirt

They wear short suits

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[HMFFL]

Skip Bayless is an idiot.

--Mags

Exactly.
Skip Bayless gets paid for this type of trolling.

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[Johnny Bball]

God Skip Bayless is an idiot. And I don't even like VC.

[Tiny ball]

no one ever plays himself OUT of the hof. once you've established that you've played well enough to get in,,,you're IN.

of course, if oj simpson had done his oj thing before he got into the hof,,,well that's a different story

Pete Rose? Did they ever let him in.

[Clyde Frazier]

...It doesn't work that way.

At all. He's a lock.

[Johnny Bball]

Top 7 in scoring is not impressive. Vince was great at one thing, and that was dunking. Everything else he was mediocre at.

Both Manu & Pau were better players and they're likely getting into the HOF based on international play, not just the NBA.

Vince = 00's version of Demar Derozan

There's about the slimmest chance Derozan doesn't finish his career in the top 50 in scoring all time and almost all of those players are in the HOF, basically barring serious injury. And at 22nd on the list VC is a slam dunk. Who cares who else will get in and who's better, because it doesn't matter.

[Greed]

I scratch my head when people -- even certified dumb asses like Skip Bayless -- say this stuff. Just the other day there was a debate on Twitter on whether Carmelo is a Hall of Famer (of course he is.) They obviously have no idea who is already in. If marginals like KC Jones (zero All-Star selections) and Calvin Murphy (one) were selected, how do you Vince out?

There was a similar Twitter debate I had where someone said Chris Bosh and Wade weren't going to the hall and that Wade wasn't a Top 5 player in the league in 2010. Pretty obvious what this person was trying to imply

It's weird. People just presume what they see now is all a player ever was and have no idea how great players were or who's in the hall

[YouthMovement]

i thought jerryd bayless said this at first lmao

[ForeverTFC]

Yeah, the greatest dunker of all time won't make it in to the basketball HOF, the least selective institution in professional sports.

[smartyz456]

I have just one question. Why Top 9 in MVP voting? Why 9? Random.

because he was top 10 once, that's why. LOL I can't take this guy seriously.

Don't take him too seriously. There was a thread a few years ago about who the worst posters on RealGM are and even a mod nominated him before the thread was locked.

how do i find this thread?

[random_hero891]

Bayless and Cowherd both sound like they've never watched a full basketball game in their lives.

They'd fit right in on RGM then.

--Mags

[Lalouie]

no one ever plays himself OUT of the hof. once you've established that you've played well enough to get in,,,you're IN.

of course, if oj simpson had done his oj thing before he got into the hof,,,well that's a different story

Pete Rose? Did they ever let him in.

Wouldn't you say the rose thing was like the Simpson thing?

[Soulcatcher33]

Vince Carter was arguably a better player than Michael Jordan at the same age. Does that diminish MJ's Hall of Fame case?

Vince Carter was easily better than Kobe Bryant at the same age. Not even debatable. Is Kobe not a hall of famer?

Neither of these statements are true.

Vince came into the league at 22, and at no point was Vince every as good as MJ or Kobe by the time they reach 22.

Kobe didn't play to 40, and MJ was better than Vince at 40.

Vince at no point was ever the best at his position in the NBA. He was a defensive liability, and again the 00's version of Demar.

If you really believe that nonsense you need to stop watching basketball as you clearly don't understand what is going on out there on the court.

[Yoshun]

VC is a HOF pretty easily. If anything, I think his later years proved that.

One of the biggest criticisms of VC was always that he relied too much on athleticism. As he got older he proved he could change his game and still be relevant, he's still a good player to have on your bench.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

Carter is an unusual case in that his peak was very short and it came very early in his career, but imo, VC from 2000-2003 was one of the most exciting players to watch of the last 20 years. The 2001 dunk contest is iconic.

And he wasn't just a dunker. He's a career 37% 3P shooter. If all he could do was dunk, he wouldn't still be playing at age 41-2.

I still remember that 2001 Raptors/Sixers series, Carter and Iverson taking turns going off. I specifically remember the game that series where Vince hit nine threes, including like four or five in a row early in the game.

We shouldn't forget how fun he was to watch for those few years.

[bringinhinkie]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

what?

Vince had a monstrous prime..

this is the basketball HoF, not baseball.. there are players he was easily better than, already in there..

he put up 23.5/5.5/4.3 (45/38/80) over an eleven year stretch and was the go-to guy on 5 playoff teams

an all-time great? of course not, but an outstanding player and one of the to 10 most exciting players of all time in his prime

he didn't exactly have the fortune of playing on "super teams"