One grade away

[pistons4ever]

I think we are only one trade away to be a top5 team in the EC
So we all love the potential of Luke i think we must make a 2 or 3 for One trade..

I like our big men duo and i think they will be great this year..we have an armada of wings and guards which can play in this league but i would love to have a 3rd Potential all Star in the backcourt..reggie isnt it.healthy or Not


Only hypothetisch
Kennard bullock and Pick for g.harris
Something like thats

Than leuer for randolph(old school element)

Drummond/pachulia/ellenson
Griffin/randolph
Johnson/Robinson
Harris/brown/Thomas
Jackson/smith/calderon

A solid 9 men Rotation with 3 point Shooting.. Defense.. rebounding...athletism...old school offense....point forward....

[pistons4ever]

I think we are only one trade away to be a top5 team in the EC
So we all love the potential of Luke i think we must make a 2 or 3 for One trade..

I like our big men duo and i think they will be great this year..we have an armada of wings and guards which can play in this league but i would love to have a 3rd Potential all Star in the backcourt..reggie isnt it.healthy or Not


Only hypothetisch
Kennard bullock and Pick for g.harris
Something like thats

Than leuer for randolph(old school element)

Drummond/pachulia/ellenson
Griffin/randolph
Johnson/Robinson
Harris/brown/Thomas
Jackson/smith/calderon

A solid 9 men Rotation with 3 point Shooting.. Defense.. rebounding...athletism...old school offense....point forward....

[ElectricMayhem]

This would be nice, but:

1. I don't think the Nuggets would go for this. They are ready to finally start making the playoffs after two straight years of missing out by one game.
2. Also, Harris is probably already better than best-case scenario Kennard. I like Kennard's potential, but Harris will always be a much better defender although Kennard could have more potential on offense.
3. I haven't checked trade checker, but how on earth would that trade fly? Kennard's on a rookie contract and Bullock is dirt cheap. Harris just got paid last offseason.
4. Randolph is better than Leuer, gets paid practically the same, and is on a shorter contract. Kings have absolutely zero motivation to make this trade (unless this is a proposed trade with Real Madrid for Anthony Randolph...)

Solve these problems and we're in business.

[Manocad]

#5 in the EC means nothing. Potentially upset the #4 seed then get crushed. And for the 100,000 time, there is no trade in which the Pistons will get the better end of the deal in the long run. Give away assets to get a player that makes the Pistons a #5 team in the East? Color me completely uninterested.


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[Invictus88]

#5 in the EC means nothing. Potentially upset the #4 seed then get crushed. And for the 100,000 time, there is no trade in which the Pistons will get the better end of the deal in the long run. Give away assets to get a player that makes the Pistons a #5 team in the East? Color me completely uninterested.


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[ImHeisenberg]

You're right. We're one Reggie Jackson for Steph Curry trade away from being a top 4 seed.

[DetroitPistons]

The doom and gloom crowd will scoff at this but you are totally right. People are doom and gloom because we didn't acclimate Griffin and an injured Jackson quickly enough in the last 20 games to make the playoffs so therefore our future is garbage for the next 5 years according to them. The truth is, we have plenty of good contract/quality players and picks to make a trade for a big name wing. Just like last year, when I called Griffin being a trade option for us, there will be a few star players that become disgruntled and want to be traded or there are teams that want to blow it up. When that happens we can take advantage by putting everything into the next handful of years. One example would be to offer a combination of Kennard/Johnson/Smith/Ellenson/Bullock/Thomas/1st rounders for a guy like Butler (or the next star wing player that becomes available). We would then add that player to a core of Griffin/Drummond/Jackson and perhaps Kennard if we can keep him. That would be one heck of a team that would be competing at the top of the East. And yes, I would much rather see that for the next 5 years then us trying to hold onto assets while we barely miss the playoffs with Griffin and accumulate mid round draft picks that will never pan out. We need to put everything into winning now and we can start the rebuild when Griffin is gone if need be.

[ByeByeDre]

The truth is, we have plenty of good contract/quality players and picks to make a trade for a big name wing. One example would be to offer a combination of Kennard/Johnson/Smith/Ellenson/Bullock/Thomas/1st rounders for a guy like Butler (or the next star wing player that becomes available).

Kennard has some value.
Johnson hasn’t shown enough to have decent value.
Smith is an expiring, but if he’s traded and Reggie gets hurt, the season’s over.
Ellenson has negative value.
Bullock has some value because his contract’s cheap.
Thomas has no value.
More 1st rounders? Unfortunately, unknown future players have the most value of all the assets you mentioned.

Also, you’d have to toss a terrible contract or two in here to make that trade work. Minnesota laughs at you and hangs up.

[pistons4ever]

To compare my idea to a reggie for Curry trade ......what can i say....

Right Now its seems not likely but even kennard leuer and pick for harris is Not Impossible ...Denver missed 2 times in a Row the Playoffs with a better roster than ours...they Pay millsap jokic barton big Money and must Pay murray at some point...There were bigger and more surprising Trades in the History of the nba



The leuer for randolph idea was even more unlikely ...go After alan williams instead of randolph...not so good like zach but i like him

[buzzkilloton]

Trading with the assets we own to compete with teams like the celtics/raps/sixers is a lost cause. The celtics and sixers are stacked for years to come. The best way for this team to get somewhere is to move players to get in position to win the lottery and draft the nbas next franchise player.

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Theirs no overnight trade we can make to take this team from the lotto team they've been for a decade too contending vs the warrs/rox/lakers/raps/sixers/celtics the league is just stacked nowadays. You need to run hot on a couple lotto picks then you keep them for their next contract and have a chance to do something special.

[DetroitPistons]

The truth is, we have plenty of good contract/quality players and picks to make a trade for a big name wing. One example would be to offer a combination of Kennard/Johnson/Smith/Ellenson/Bullock/Thomas/1st rounders for a guy like Butler (or the next star wing player that becomes available).

Kennard has some value.
Johnson hasn’t shown enough to have decent value.
Smith is an expiring, but if he’s traded and Reggie gets hurt, the season’s over.
Ellenson has negative value.
Bullock has some value because his contract’s cheap.
Thomas has no value.
More 1st rounders? Unfortunately, unknown future players have the most value of all the assets you mentioned.

Also, you’d have to toss a terrible contract or two in here to make that trade work. Minnesota laughs at you and hangs up.

It's pretty easy to just spin everything negatively and say we have nothing because you want to crap all over our team.

Kennard has more than "some" value. His value is pretty high considering his potential AND his rookie contract. Cheap talent is at a premium right now in the league, especially when that talent is a first round pick who has shown good potential.

Johnnson has "some" value

Smith is one of the best backup PGs in the league who is an expiring and cheap contract. Again, quality talent on a bargain and he is an expiring, which offers cap flexibility, something that is highly valued around the league now that teams have blown all their capspace on bloated contracts.

Sure, Ellenson sucks, but I would say he has neutral value considering that he is dirt cheap and still has some potential I suppose. Definitely not negative value though.

Bullock is one of the best 3 and D guys in the league and had somewhat of a breakout year last year. Oh and yet again, he is very good quality on a dirt cheap contract. To say his only value comes from his contract and not his play, which includes 44.5% from 3, just shows your trolling negative bias.

Thomas was considered by many to be a steal in the 2nd round and has a good chance of becoming another quality player on a cheap contract, which is why I put him on that list. We don't know yet.

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again shows your trolling negative bias. Everyone knows that first rounders are corner stones of a blockbuster trade and we have all of ours.

Again, all it takes is 1-2 first rounders, good talent on cheap contracts, and good prospects and you can get a very high quality wing player here. We have all of those things. It's just a matter of whether we want to give them up to win now.

[ByeByeDre]

The truth is, we have plenty of good contract/quality players and picks to make a trade for a big name wing. One example would be to offer a combination of Kennard/Johnson/Smith/Ellenson/Bullock/Thomas/1st rounders for a guy like Butler (or the next star wing player that becomes available).

Kennard has some value.
Johnson hasn’t shown enough to have decent value.
Smith is an expiring, but if he’s traded and Reggie gets hurt, the season’s over.
Ellenson has negative value.
Bullock has some value because his contract’s cheap.
Thomas has no value.
More 1st rounders? Unfortunately, unknown future players have the most value of all the assets you mentioned.

Also, you’d have to toss a terrible contract or two in here to make that trade work. Minnesota laughs at you and hangs up.

It's pretty easy to just spin everything negatively and say we have nothing because you want to crap all over our team.

Kennard has more than "some" value. His value is pretty high considering his potential AND his rookie contract. Cheap talent is at a premium right now in the league, especially when that talent is a first round pick who has shown good potential.

Johnnson has "some" value

Smith is one of the best backup PGs in the league who is an expiring and cheap contract. Again, quality talent on a bargain and he is an expiring, which offers cap flexibility, something that is highly valued around the league now that teams have blown all their capspace on bloated contracts.

Sure, Ellenson sucks, but I would say he has neutral value considering that he is dirt cheap and still has some potential I suppose. Definitely not negative value though.

Bullock is one of the best 3 and D guys in the league and had somewhat of a breakout year last year. Oh and yet again, he is very good quality on a dirt cheap contract. To say his only value comes from his contract and not his play, which includes 44.5% from 3, just shows your trolling negative bias.

Thomas was considered by many to be a steal in the 2nd round and has a good chance of becoming another quality player on a cheap contract, which is why I put him on that list. We don't know yet.

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again shows your trolling negative bias. Everyone knows that first rounders are corner stones of a blockbuster trade and we have all of ours.

Again, all it takes is 1-2 first rounders, good talent on cheap contracts, and good prospects and you can get a very high quality wing player here. We have all of those things. It's just a matter of whether we want to give them up to win now.

I’m convinced. Tom Gores burner account.

[ByeByeDre]

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again.....

Work on your reading comprehension

[vege]

Kennard has some value.
Johnson hasn’t shown enough to have decent value.
Smith is an expiring, but if he’s traded and Reggie gets hurt, the season’s over.
Ellenson has negative value.
Bullock has some value because his contract’s cheap.
Thomas has no value.
More 1st rounders? Unfortunately, unknown future players have the most value of all the assets you mentioned.

Also, you’d have to toss a terrible contract or two in here to make that trade work. Minnesota laughs at you and hangs up.

It's pretty easy to just spin everything negatively and say we have nothing because you want to crap all over our team.

Kennard has more than "some" value. His value is pretty high considering his potential AND his rookie contract. Cheap talent is at a premium right now in the league, especially when that talent is a first round pick who has shown good potential.

Johnnson has "some" value

Smith is one of the best backup PGs in the league who is an expiring and cheap contract. Again, quality talent on a bargain and he is an expiring, which offers cap flexibility, something that is highly valued around the league now that teams have blown all their capspace on bloated contracts.

Sure, Ellenson sucks, but I would say he has neutral value considering that he is dirt cheap and still has some potential I suppose. Definitely not negative value though.

Bullock is one of the best 3 and D guys in the league and had somewhat of a breakout year last year. Oh and yet again, he is very good quality on a dirt cheap contract. To say his only value comes from his contract and not his play, which includes 44.5% from 3, just shows your trolling negative bias.

Thomas was considered by many to be a steal in the 2nd round and has a good chance of becoming another quality player on a cheap contract, which is why I put him on that list. We don't know yet.

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again shows your trolling negative bias. Everyone knows that first rounders are corner stones of a blockbuster trade and we have all of ours.

Again, all it takes is 1-2 first rounders, good talent on cheap contracts, and good prospects and you can get a very high quality wing player here. We have all of those things. It's just a matter of whether we want to give them up to win now.

I’m convinced. Tom Gores burner account.

Quality post. He just refuted all your arguments (which were pathetic by the way and he proved it) and without anything smart to post you tried to make fun of him. We would be so much better without a few posters around here...

[Spider156]

Trading with the assets we own to compete with teams like the celtics/raps/sixers is a lost cause. The celtics and sixers are stacked for years to come. The best way for this team to get somewhere is to move players to get in position to win the lottery and draft the nbas next franchise player.

Watch on YouTube

Theirs no overnight trade we can make to take this team from the lotto team they've been for a decade too contending vs the warrs/rox/lakers/raps/sixers/celtics the league is just stacked nowadays. You need to run hot on a couple lotto picks then you keep them for their next contract and have a chance to do something special.

Lottery isn't the only way to build a franchise and all the contenders out there outside of 76ers built their team outside the lottery. By lottery I mean Top 5 pick. Warriors didn't get a Top 5 pick. Celtics didn't get to this level with a Top 5 pick. They traded for it. Rockets got Harden and Paul through FA. Toronto didn't get a Top 5 pick. I can list you more teams contending without drafting a Top 5 pick than team in the bottom like Orlando who keep getting top picks but end up losing their talent. My argument can go on for paragraphs. Basically what you're saying is you want "the process." One that drafted Okafor, Noel, and Fultz in the Top 5 and all of them aren't franchise players. Then there's Embiid who's just as injury prone as Blake but no hate is going to him. Nobody knows if he'll stay in the league. Then there's Simmons who also lost a year due to injury. With that said, they're not guaranteed anything. They got Covington from the Detroit D league in Grand Rapids. They got Reddick in FA. Then there's Fultz who's looking like a bust with that shot of his right now. Lottery doesn't guarantee anything but losing and in my opinion there's a much higher chance of losing the franchise player for building a losing culture than keeping him. I don't have to prove that to you. Just look at all the stars leaving their original teams whether through FA or trade. Lottery is for losers.

[Spider156]

Kennard has some value.
Johnson hasn’t shown enough to have decent value.
Smith is an expiring, but if he’s traded and Reggie gets hurt, the season’s over.
Ellenson has negative value.
Bullock has some value because his contract’s cheap.
Thomas has no value.
More 1st rounders? Unfortunately, unknown future players have the most value of all the assets you mentioned.

Also, you’d have to toss a terrible contract or two in here to make that trade work. Minnesota laughs at you and hangs up.

It's pretty easy to just spin everything negatively and say we have nothing because you want to crap all over our team.

Kennard has more than "some" value. His value is pretty high considering his potential AND his rookie contract. Cheap talent is at a premium right now in the league, especially when that talent is a first round pick who has shown good potential.

Johnnson has "some" value

Smith is one of the best backup PGs in the league who is an expiring and cheap contract. Again, quality talent on a bargain and he is an expiring, which offers cap flexibility, something that is highly valued around the league now that teams have blown all their capspace on bloated contracts.

Sure, Ellenson sucks, but I would say he has neutral value considering that he is dirt cheap and still has some potential I suppose. Definitely not negative value though.

Bullock is one of the best 3 and D guys in the league and had somewhat of a breakout year last year. Oh and yet again, he is very good quality on a dirt cheap contract. To say his only value comes from his contract and not his play, which includes 44.5% from 3, just shows your trolling negative bias.

Thomas was considered by many to be a steal in the 2nd round and has a good chance of becoming another quality player on a cheap contract, which is why I put him on that list. We don't know yet.

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again shows your trolling negative bias. Everyone knows that first rounders are corner stones of a blockbuster trade and we have all of ours.

Again, all it takes is 1-2 first rounders, good talent on cheap contracts, and good prospects and you can get a very high quality wing player here. We have all of those things. It's just a matter of whether we want to give them up to win now.

I’m convinced. Tom Gores burner account.

Lol he just embarrassed your post and this is what you respond? Pick another team to root for cuz you're not fit to be a die hard fan

[buzzkilloton]

Trading with the assets we own to compete with teams like the celtics/raps/sixers is a lost cause. The celtics and sixers are stacked for years to come. The best way for this team to get somewhere is to move players to get in position to win the lottery and draft the nbas next franchise player.

Theirs no overnight trade we can make to take this team from the lotto team they've been for a decade too contending vs the warrs/rox/lakers/raps/sixers/celtics the league is just stacked nowadays. You need to run hot on a couple lotto picks then you keep them for their next contract and have a chance to do something special.

Lottery isn't the only way to build a franchise and all the contenders out there outside of 76ers built their team outside the lottery. By lottery I mean Top 5 pick. Warriors didn't get a Top 5 pick. Celtics didn't get to this level with a Top 5 pick. They traded for it. Rockets got Harden and Paul through FA. Toronto didn't get a Top 5 pick. I can list you more teams contending without drafting a Top 5 pick than team in the bottom like Orlando who keep getting top picks but end up losing their talent. My argument can go on for paragraphs. Basically what you're saying is you want "the process." One that drafted Okafor, Noel, and Fultz in the Top 5 and all of them aren't franchise players. Then there's Embiid who's just as injury prone as Blake but no hate is going to him. Nobody knows if he'll stay in the league. Then there's Simmons who also lost a year due to injury. With that said, they're not guaranteed anything. They got Covington from the Detroit D league in Grand Rapids. They got Reddick in FA. Then there's Fultz who's looking like a bust with that shot of his right now. Lottery doesn't guarantee anything but losing and in my opinion there's a much higher chance of losing the franchise player for building a losing culture than keeping him. I don't have to prove that to you. Just look at all the stars leaving their original teams whether through FA or trade. Lottery is for losers.

The warriors "ran hot on a couple lotto picks" with Klay and Curry turning out to be stars. The sixers ran hot with Simmons/Embiid. The celtics have stacked lotto picks over the years. Ainge hoarded picks to build them into what they are. Ainge wouldnt give up lotto picks for anything but star players. Every year he held those picks like gold. He knew the value of them.

A team needs to draft some franchise players and then add to the core. Trying to trade yourway into a title has worked a couple times through history but if you take a list of all the great teams most of them started with drafting a true franchise cornerstone and added to that. Sure a handful of title teams over the history of the nba won without starting with a drafted franchsie player but nearly every team had that piece in tact through the entire history before winning. This is a fact nearly every title winning team had an all nba level player drafted and then added pieces through trades or free agency before winning except a very few cases(the pistons one title being the only one i can think of but maybe theirs another).

Even if a star leaves your team through free agency you get to hold onto them for their first 9 years in the league due to how contracts work and a player on the first big contract gets the most with the team that drafted them. If the star is going to leave your team at you can still trade the guy and get value back like the pacers and spurs have just done. You dont know every player u draft is going to leave us just because were Detroit, soime players prefer to stay with the same team their whole career. Regardless you've got to get the franchise player and then build. You may not have to pick at the top of the draft to do it like how the bucks got Giannis and the spurs landed Leonard but you need to be doing your best to pick as high as u can.

Even this year we may have missed out on that star. The clippers used our draft pick and offered the hornets 2 2nds to move up one spot to draft Shai-Gilgeous-Alexander. A guy i wanted with our draft pick. The ringer just did a redraft after seeing players looks in summer league and hes already ranked #3.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/7/26/17615912/2018-nba-redraft

Thats 3 of the pasts 4 years now we've missed out on a potential franchise player late in the lotto. Eventually were going to get those players just based on dumb luck. As long as dont keep trading picks to go for a 1st round playoff loss that is. That easily could of been us with a franchise pg. Instead we shipped that pick off +Harris to go for the treadmill. The article i linked about him predraft in the draft thread https://deanondraft.com/2018/03/19/could-shai-gilgeous-be-the-best-pg-in-2018/./

Hell theirs other guys in that range that could of been franchise players like MPJR. You go ahead and keep trying to trade draft picks to chase the 8 seed while smart GMS who build dynasties draft franchise players over and over.

The magic didnt lose out on talent. They didnt even resign their talent like Hezonja or Payton. They traded a franchise player in Oladipo who would of made them in much better shape. They've done everything wrong and still have 3 exciting young players in Gordon/Isaac/Bamba. As bad as people say the magic are the last projections ive seen had the pistons with a maxed out cap at 39 wins and the magic at 32 wins.

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[Billl]

"but if you take a list of all the great teams most of them started with drafting a true franchise cornerstone and added to that. "

While true, that was a different era. When you could sign guys to 10 year contracts out of college, of course that was a popular option. With modern free agency and guys signing these deals with opt outs, most of the top guys are moving teams at some point.

Since there are really only 3 ways to get a player, the front office has to be pretty good at all 3. I mean, we just snagged a former #1 pick in his prime, but the rest of the roster is in shambles.

[buzzkilloton]

"but if you take a list of all the great teams most of them started with drafting a true franchise cornerstone and added to that. "

While true, that was a different era. When you could sign guys to 10 year contracts out of college, of course that was a popular option. With modern free agency and guys signing these deals with opt outs, most of the top guys are moving teams at some point.

Since there are really only 3 ways to get a player, the front office has to be pretty good at all 3. I mean, we just snagged a former #1 pick in his prime, but the rest of the roster is in shambles.

You still draft a player and get to keep them for 9 seasons. Players dont get paid alot on their rookie deals which is why you see every star young guy resign for another 5 seasons after their first four seasons because they get paid the most by the team that drafted them. Then if that player wants to leave your team after that 9 seasons they pass up 70mill dollars because only the team that has had them that long can offer the supermax. Some players want to stay with one team and 70mill is alot of money. Even if you think they will pass up that 70mill u can flip them for more assets like the spurs just did for a 1 year rental of Leonard or the pacers did with George. This is why homegrown talent is just so valuable esp for a small market team.

[mrroboto4889]

Trading with the assets we own to compete with teams like the celtics/raps/sixers is a lost cause. The celtics and sixers are stacked for years to come. The best way for this team to get somewhere is to move players to get in position to win the lottery and draft the nbas next franchise player.

Watch on YouTube

Theirs no overnight trade we can make to take this team from the lotto team they've been for a decade too contending vs the warrs/rox/lakers/raps/sixers/celtics the league is just stacked nowadays. You need to run hot on a couple lotto picks then you keep them for their next contract and have a chance to do something special.

Lottery isn't the only way to build a franchise and all the contenders out there outside of 76ers built their team outside the lottery. By lottery I mean Top 5 pick. Warriors didn't get a Top 5 pick. Celtics didn't get to this level with a Top 5 pick. They traded for it. Rockets got Harden and Paul through FA. Toronto didn't get a Top 5 pick. I can list you more teams contending without drafting a Top 5 pick than team in the bottom like Orlando who keep getting top picks but end up losing their talent. My argument can go on for paragraphs. Basically what you're saying is you want "the process." One that drafted Okafor, Noel, and Fultz in the Top 5 and all of them aren't franchise players. Then there's Embiid who's just as injury prone as Blake but no hate is going to him. Nobody knows if he'll stay in the league. Then there's Simmons who also lost a year due to injury. With that said, they're not guaranteed anything. They got Covington from the Detroit D league in Grand Rapids. They got Reddick in FA. Then there's Fultz who's looking like a bust with that shot of his right now. Lottery doesn't guarantee anything but losing and in my opinion there's a much higher chance of losing the franchise player for building a losing culture than keeping him. I don't have to prove that to you. Just look at all the stars leaving their original teams whether through FA or trade. Lottery is for losers.

Wow. What a convenient qualifier to make your point.