Kings Off-Season

[BoogieTime]

For anyone who wanted Capela, I’m sorry. This is the stake in that coffin. I, myself, am relieved that the Kings didn’t do something foolish and go after him. Now we might see a salary dump from Houston. Maybe Kings action?

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BoogieTime on suicide watch right now.

We are here for you BT!

It makes me feel better to assume there is nothing we could’ve done anyways. Even if we offered max, with our state tax/market/rep, he might not have signed the sheet

[BoogieTime]

We really need to get a first next year with our remaining cap if no quality names available. It would be big. A lot of tax teams now who might need out. A team like Washington. A mid first would really soften the blow. I’d even take a chance of an unprotected from a quality team in the tax. Can’t imagine not having a first next year

[dckingsfan]

We really need to get a first next year with our remaining cap if no quality names available. It would be big. A lot of tax teams now who might need out. A team like Washington. A mid first would really soften the blow. I’d even take a chance of an unprotected from a quality team in the tax. Can’t imagine not having a first next year

With regards to Washington, you are thinking Mahimni for a 1st?

Can I offer another suggestion? Just let the evaluation on Bogdanovic, Bagley, Fox, WCS, Hield, Jackson, Giles, Davis, Labissiere, Mason, Nemanja, Bjelica and Ferrell play out over the next two years. At the end of this year they need to make a decision on WCS.

But yes, if you can take contracts for assets you do it.

[becorz]

We really need to get a first next year with our remaining cap if no quality names available. It would be big. A lot of tax teams now who might need out. A team like Washington. A mid first would really soften the blow. I’d even take a chance of an unprotected from a quality team in the tax. Can’t imagine not having a first next year

I think the team is being wise. At this point, you might as well wait until the deadline to make a trade. One or two teams are going to be under performing and they aren't going to want to pay the luxury tax for a bad team.

Maybe Washington is bad and they give up Porter.

Maybe Portland is bad and gives up Harkless.

Maybe Miami gets desperate and attaches Richardson to Whiteside, just to get rid of him.

As of right now, we are not going to get a 1st rounder just to use our cap space for ONLY this season. Might as well wait until someone gets desperate. If a team is offering a first to get off a player on a two year contract now, it is probably going to be there at the deadline.

[BoogieTime]

We really need to get a first next year with our remaining cap if no quality names available. It would be big. A lot of tax teams now who might need out. A team like Washington. A mid first would really soften the blow. I’d even take a chance of an unprotected from a quality team in the tax. Can’t imagine not having a first next year

I think the team is being wise. At this point, you might as well wait until the deadline to make a trade. One or two teams are going to be under performing and they aren't going to want to pay the luxury tax for a bad team.

Maybe Washington is bad and they give up Porter.

Maybe Portland is bad and gives up Harkless.

Maybe Miami gets desperate and attaches Richardson to Whiteside, just to get rid of him.

As of right now, we are not going to get a 1st rounder just to use our cap space for ONLY this season. Might as well wait until someone gets desperate. If a team is offering a first to get off a player on a two year contract now, it is probably going to be there at the deadline.

If nothing goes down this offseason, I hope it’s down to being wise. I got my eye on the ownerships possible penny pinching after the Barnes stretch..

There are a lot of tax teams, and I think we have the only significant space. I do hope though we get a first somehow instead of having nothing to discuss next draft process than 2nds

[BoogieTime]

We really need to get a first next year with our remaining cap if no quality names available. It would be big. A lot of tax teams now who might need out. A team like Washington. A mid first would really soften the blow. I’d even take a chance of an unprotected from a quality team in the tax. Can’t imagine not having a first next year

With regards to Washington, you are thinking Mahimni for a 1st?

Can I offer another suggestion? Just let the evaluation on Bogdanovic, Bagley, Fox, WCS, Hield, Jackson, Giles, Davis, Labissiere, Mason, Nemanja, Bjelica and Ferrell play out over the next two years. At the end of this year they need to make a decision on WCS.

But yes, if you can take contracts for assets you do it.

I’m not sure what that means?

[dckingsfan]

We really need to get a first next year with our remaining cap if no quality names available. It would be big. A lot of tax teams now who might need out. A team like Washington. A mid first would really soften the blow. I’d even take a chance of an unprotected from a quality team in the tax. Can’t imagine not having a first next year

With regards to Washington, you are thinking Mahimni for a 1st?

Can I offer another suggestion? Just let the evaluation on Bogdanovic, Bagley, Fox, WCS, Hield, Jackson, Giles, Davis, Labissiere, Mason, Nemanja, Bjelica and Ferrell play out over the next two years. At the end of this year they need to make a decision on WCS.

But yes, if you can take contracts for assets you do it.

I’m not sure what that means?

The first question - the Kings take Mahimni and the Wizards give up their '19 first round pick - is that what you were thinking to get a first from Washington?

The second is a suggestion - that it would be prudent for Sac to let the season playout to see what they have and what they can get in free agency next year. Maybe the off-season is spent discussing how well some of the youngsters broke out

The last part - if you can get first round picks for contracts that aren't too onerous - do it.

[BoogieTime]

With regards to Washington, you are thinking Mahimni for a 1st?

Can I offer another suggestion? Just let the evaluation on Bogdanovic, Bagley, Fox, WCS, Hield, Jackson, Giles, Davis, Labissiere, Mason, Nemanja, Bjelica and Ferrell play out over the next two years. At the end of this year they need to make a decision on WCS.

But yes, if you can take contracts for assets you do it.

I’m not sure what that means?

The first question - the Kings take Mahimni and the Wizards give up their '19 first round pick - is that what you were thinking to get a first from Washington?

The second is a suggestion - that it would be prudent for Sac to let the season playout to see what they have and what they can get in free agency next year. Maybe the off-season is spent discussing how well some of the youngsters broke out

The last part - if you can get first round picks for contracts that aren't too onerous - do it.

Yes, I’d personally send WCS too, but admittedly I’m not high on him. But something around that would be fine too.

Even if some young players break out it would be preferable for a rebuilding team to have a first round pick, and, for us as fans, at least me, to have something to look forward to after another probable playoff miss.

I’m not as hopeful about what can be accomplished in FA, given our market/reputation/sales tax. We had a lot less competition this year in terms of cap dollars than what I foresee next year, and still came up IMO short. But, a lot of money will be coming up, Zach/Iman/Koufos/etc, anyhoo

But yes, something not onerous would be nice. I’m thinking we could maybe get a late first for something that doesn’t go past this year even. Some tax teams now

[becorz]

I got my eye on the ownerships possible penny pinching after the Barnes stretch.

I don't understand how the Barnes stretch was penny pinching? They still had to pay Barnes his full contract and they had to release someone to make the rosters balance out after the Cousins trade?

[BoogieTime]

I got my eye on the ownerships possible penny pinching after the Barnes stretch.

I don't understand how the Barnes stretch was penny pinching? They still had to pay Barnes his full contract and they had to release someone to make the rosters balance out after the Cousins trade?

They didn’t have to stretch him, and have his salary spill into other seasons

[becorz]

I got my eye on the ownerships possible penny pinching after the Barnes stretch.

I don't understand how the Barnes stretch was penny pinching? They still had to pay Barnes his full contract and they had to release someone to make the rosters balance out after the Cousins trade?

They didn’t have to stretch him, and have his salary spill into other seasons

Given our cap situation at the time, the move made plenty of sense?

[BoogieTime]

I don't understand how the Barnes stretch was penny pinching? They still had to pay Barnes his full contract and they had to release someone to make the rosters balance out after the Cousins trade?

They didn’t have to stretch him, and have his salary spill into other seasons

Given our cap situation at the time, the move made plenty of sense?

Why?

From an asset perspective, why did it help to have his salary on the books the next few years instead of just eat it without stretch?

[becorz]

They didn’t have to stretch him, and have his salary spill into other seasons

Given our cap situation at the time, the move made plenty of sense?

Why?

From an asset perspective, why did it help to have his salary on the books the next few years instead of just eat it without stretch?

Barnes had that year and a player option on his contract. The choice was if you wanted the extra 3 million in cap room the next off season, which you could only get if you stretched him. And they used that cap room the next offseason on Hill, Randolph, and Carter.

[dckingsfan]

Given our cap situation at the time, the move made plenty of sense?

Why?

From an asset perspective, why did it help to have his salary on the books the next few years instead of just eat it without stretch?

Barnes had that year and a player option on his contract. The choice was if you wanted the extra 3 million in cap room the next off season, which you could only get if you stretched him. And they used that cap room the next offseason on Hill, Randolph, and Carter.

Which was the definition of epic fail or at least not recognizing that you were going into a long rebuild.

[becorz]

Why?

From an asset perspective, why did it help to have his salary on the books the next few years instead of just eat it without stretch?

Barnes had that year and a player option on his contract. The choice was if you wanted the extra 3 million in cap room the next off season, which you could only get if you stretched him. And they used that cap room the next offseason on Hill, Randolph, and Carter.

Which was the definition of epic fail or at least not recognizing that you were going into a long rebuild.

That's fine. I was just pointing out that the Barnes thing certainly wasn't penny pinching. In fact, it was made so they could spend more money.

[dckingsfan]

Barnes had that year and a player option on his contract. The choice was if you wanted the extra 3 million in cap room the next off season, which you could only get if you stretched him. And they used that cap room the next offseason on Hill, Randolph, and Carter.

Which was the definition of epic fail or at least not recognizing that you were going into a long rebuild.

That's fine. I was just pointing out that the Barnes thing certainly wasn't penny pinching. In fact, it was made so they could spend more money.

Yep - and I didn't mean to pick on you - I meant that it didn't need to be done because they shouldn't have been adding veterans at that point.

[SacKingZZZ]

The moves were made with 2019 in mind as the year they wanted to spend so it didn't matter. That plan should be well out the window by now if reality finally hit them square between the eyeballs.

[dckingsfan]

The moves were made with 2019 in mind as the year they wanted to spend so it didn't matter. That plan should be well out the window by now if reality finally hit them square between the eyeballs.

But... it would have been much easier last year and this year to take on bad contracts to pick-up assets. But like you say, hopefully the only screw-up one time and not repeatedly.

[kalenclayton]

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[sacking123]

The moves were made with 2019 in mind as the year they wanted to spend so it didn't matter. That plan should be well out the window by now if reality finally hit them square between the eyeballs.

Which was still a huge mistake. Barnes should never have been stretched. The Kings, at least for now, should never stretch any player. The percentage of time where a rebuilding team like the Kings, or at that stage, a non contending team that doesn't attract FAs, should never stretch a player.
Have a look at the Hawks, who IMO done the right thing with Jamal Crawford.
His contract was $28.7 over 2 years. $17.2 was guaranteed and you only need to pay the guaranteed money on a stretch which would have been $3.44 over 5 years. However they negotiated a buyout for a reduced amount and they COULD have then stretched it which would have reduced it to $2.65 annually over 5 years. They STILL didn't do it, they understand where they sit and the cap hit this year ($10.94) and next ($2.3) is the best way to go.
If it meant the difference between getting a can't miss rebuild package of picks for space then yes you consider it, however that is the only time. I don't know how many times that has been offered up in the history of the NBA though?
The stretch provision shouldn't have been used here at all. Just take the hit and wait, it didn't, and never was or will help.