Biyombo or Zeller to start?

[Skybox]

Orl fan here. I love Biz but he just didn't bring anything to the table. He wasn't even a defensive force. Great attitude, great teammate. I love what he was supposed to be...but I didn't even see hustle. Occasional highlight block or rare teeth-rattling pick. I hope he puts it together for you guys.

[316Hornets]

Orl fan here. I love Biz but he just didn't bring anything to the table. He wasn't even a defensive force. Great attitude, great teammate. I love what he was supposed to be...but I didn't even see hustle. Occasional highlight block or rare teeth-rattling pick. I hope he puts it together for you guys.

I think Biz got complacent in Orlando. He got his check and you guys weren't really in competition for anything significant except for a top pick in the draft. Not saying he'll put it together or anything like that, but I do take his Orlando playing time with a grain of salt.

[Rocketsbaby]

Is your own fanbase trolling itself? Zeller is a good player. Biz is one of the worst players in the league these days. He was completely useless last year. He was a total zero on offense and a bad defender.

His stint in CHarlotte was four years ago. That guy is dead and buried. If you think Howard was bad.. wait til you get a load of Biz.

[Rocketsbaby]

Biz's main problem is that he isn't a fluid athlete. He is more of a boxey type dude than Dwight. These dudes just focused on what they could do good at. Biz is not going to waste time worrying about improving his offense since no team is going to pay him for it. If he can just set some good screens, Monk and Lamb can do work.

Using Biz to set screens on the ball is terrible. Every team just traps the ballhandler and you're forced to dump the ball to Biz 18 feet from the basket so he can travel or throw the ball out of bounds. That's the last thing you want.

[Bassman]

This is a nonsensical postulation. Zeller is clearly our #1. I would also suggest that Willy is secondary option ahead of Biz. Situationals where Cody is hurt or in foul trouble, and defense is needed, yes try some Biz. Otherwise, accept this as the move it is...dead money in a slightly better player than the lug we traded away from getting rid of Dwight.

[Rocketsbaby]

Orl fan here. I love Biz but he just didn't bring anything to the table. He wasn't even a defensive force. Great attitude, great teammate. I love what he was supposed to be...but I didn't even see hustle. Occasional highlight block or rare teeth-rattling pick. I hope he puts it together for you guys.

I think Biz got complacent in Orlando. He got his check and you guys weren't really in competition for anything significant except for a top pick in the draft. Not saying he'll put it together or anything like that, but I do take his Orlando playing time with a grain of salt.

I don't know. I watched a lot of Biyombo last year because I bet heavily against Orlando every night after Vucevic went down before the lines fully adjusted. The guy is bad. I mean really bad. Part of it is his aging and loss of mobility, part of it is just how the game has changed. But you can't run any level of effective offense with him in the game. Even his offensive rebounds are worthless because they result in missed putbacks, missed free throws, and turnovers. He's got one of the worst pair of hands in NBA history.

If it was a contact year I'd give him a 15-20% chance at a turnaround season. Since it's not I'll put it at 5-10%. And I'm talking about returning to rotation level big productivity.

If this guy is getting minutes over Willy Hernangomez next year, you're in trouble. Thankfully, there's no reason to think that will be the case. The Hernangomez move was made because the Hornets knew they were moving Dwight this offseason.

[Braggins]

I watched a lot of Biyombo last year because I bet heavily against Orlando every night after Vucevic went down before the lines fully adjusted. The guy is bad. I mean really bad. Part of it is his aging and loss of mobility, part of it is just how the game has changed.

Hes 25...

He has lost mobility, but its from bulking up too much and doing too much cross fit.

[Rocketsbaby]

I watched a lot of Biyombo last year because I bet heavily against Orlando every night after Vucevic went down before the lines fully adjusted. The guy is bad. I mean really bad. Part of it is his aging and loss of mobility, part of it is just how the game has changed.

Hes 25...

He has lost mobility, but its from bulking up too much and doing too much cross fit.

Good grief it seems like he's been around forever... his loss of athleticism doesn't make much sense if that's the case.... whatever he's doing it's not working

[Braggins]

I watched a lot of Biyombo last year because I bet heavily against Orlando every night after Vucevic went down before the lines fully adjusted. The guy is bad. I mean really bad. Part of it is his aging and loss of mobility, part of it is just how the game has changed.

Hes 25...

He has lost mobility, but its from bulking up too much and doing too much cross fit.

Good grief it seems like he's been around forever... his loss of athleticism doesn't make much sense if that's the case.... whatever he's doing it's not working

Yeah, its a bit strange. My top theory is too much bulk and too much cross fit. Also maybe getting paid and playing for a garbage team affected his motivation.

Hes always had awkward/uncoordinated feet, but he used to be pretty fast with surprising recovery speed and his lateral quickness wasn't that bad for a center. His speed and crazy effort helped make up somewhat for his shortcomings. I was surprised whenever I watched him play for Orlando last year. He looked all around sluggish and played with no energy.

[Rocketsbaby]

Hes 25...

He has lost mobility, but its from bulking up too much and doing too much cross fit.

Good grief it seems like he's been around forever... his loss of athleticism doesn't make much sense if that's the case.... whatever he's doing it's not working

Yeah, its a bit strange. My top theory is too much bulk and too much cross fit. Also maybe getting paid and playing for a garbage team affected his motivation.

Hes always had awkward/uncoordinated feet, but he used to be pretty fast with surprising recovery speed and his lateral quickness wasn't that bad for a center. His speed and crazy effort helped make up somewhat for his shortcomings. I was surprised whenever I watched him play for Orlando last year. He looked all around sluggish and played with no energy.

Yeah Biyombo was relatively solid his last year in Charlotte and only year in Toronto. I didnt see much of him in Orlando in Year 1 but last year he was awful. That team was such a dumpster fire though its POSSIBLE he looks better surrounded by NBA talent. I'd still wager against it, but I'm admittedly more optimistic about his chances now hearing that he's only 25. I was under the impression that he was closer to 30 by now...

[Braggins]

Good grief it seems like he's been around forever... his loss of athleticism doesn't make much sense if that's the case.... whatever he's doing it's not working

Yeah, its a bit strange. My top theory is too much bulk and too much cross fit. Also maybe getting paid and playing for a garbage team affected his motivation.

Hes always had awkward/uncoordinated feet, but he used to be pretty fast with surprising recovery speed and his lateral quickness wasn't that bad for a center. His speed and crazy effort helped make up somewhat for his shortcomings. I was surprised whenever I watched him play for Orlando last year. He looked all around sluggish and played with no energy.

Yeah Biyombo was relatively solid his last year in Charlotte and only year in Toronto. I didnt see much of him in Orlando in Year 1 but last year he was awful. That team was such a dumpster fire though its POSSIBLE he looks better surrounded by NBA talent. I'd still wager against it, but I'm admittedly more optimistic about his chances now hearing that he's only 25. I was under the impression that he was closer to 30 by now...

There are rumors about him being older than his listed age, but theres never been any actual evidence and he had a bone age test done in Spain at age 16 that determined that he was 16-17, so even if there were some truth to the rumors its unlikely his age would be off by more than a year or two.

[Rocketsbaby]

Yeah, its a bit strange. My top theory is too much bulk and too much cross fit. Also maybe getting paid and playing for a garbage team affected his motivation.

Hes always had awkward/uncoordinated feet, but he used to be pretty fast with surprising recovery speed and his lateral quickness wasn't that bad for a center. His speed and crazy effort helped make up somewhat for his shortcomings. I was surprised whenever I watched him play for Orlando last year. He looked all around sluggish and played with no energy.

Yeah Biyombo was relatively solid his last year in Charlotte and only year in Toronto. I didnt see much of him in Orlando in Year 1 but last year he was awful. That team was such a dumpster fire though its POSSIBLE he looks better surrounded by NBA talent. I'd still wager against it, but I'm admittedly more optimistic about his chances now hearing that he's only 25. I was under the impression that he was closer to 30 by now...

There are rumors about him being older than his listed age, but theres never been any actual evidence and he had a bone age test done in Spain at age 16 that determined that he was 16-17, so even if there were some truth to the rumors its unlikely his age would be off by more than a year or two.

Hard to ever know but he didn't look that old when he came into the league based on his body type.

[e_l_f_o]

Billy has put some hard work this Summer.. Hope he can contribute

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[Lwcasu]

Billy has put some hard work this Summer.. Hope he can contribute

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I made a comment I thought he looked ripped during summer league. Interesting that he did put time in the gym. Looks like he wants it which is a positive. Honestly, if he could contribute more on defense, he may actually turn into a really solid center. He rebounds well, has good inside game, and has tried to extend his range this summer. Anyways, I like him a lot more than Kaminsky. If I was the GM I'd highly consider just cutting him now. He's not focused (I'd maybe even label him a distraction) and besides shooting he's terrible at everything else.

[Liver_Pooty]

Thats a large human being

[Diop]

I hope Frank has done some work as it’s clear that Big Willy has.

[Lwcasu]

I hope Frank has done some work as it’s clear that Big Willy has.

Franks probably been putting in work on the dance floor

[tondi123]

Its always nice to see guys taking their profession seriously and doing what they can to be in as good of a shape as possible.